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Fascism, alt-right/nazis & the importance of de-platforming |OT|
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new page, new tweets
also as a supporter of SPLC, their recent stance on alt-right activity was a bummer
have no fear, there's no shortage of white supremacist information to be found online - YT alone has it in droves
moreover, if your fear is that said skeptic will feel the lack of public & digital spaces for those with genocidal agendas makes him more sympathetic to their cause, this says a great deal more about said skeptic
i don't recall saying (much less expecting) everyone to agree with me here, but you're welcome to quote me if you see otherwise. i was clearly implying the hope that people would simply read what was there, but you knew that before this post, i figure.
also as a supporter of SPLC, their recent stance on alt-right activity was a bummer
have no fear, there's no shortage of white supremacist information to be found online - YT alone has it in droves
moreover, if your fear is that said skeptic will feel the lack of public & digital spaces for those with genocidal agendas makes him more sympathetic to their cause, this says a great deal more about said skeptic
i don't recall saying (much less expecting) everyone to agree with me here, but you're welcome to quote me if you see otherwise. i was clearly implying the hope that people would simply read what was there, but you knew that before this post, i figure.
If your hypothetical skeptic only accepts information about hate groups from those groups, I'd say the battle's already over
Books and historical records exist of what the platform of Nazis, fascism, and white supremacy is, you don't need to give them a platform to advocate their toxic trash to learn about them. The best part of these books and historical records is that they are given context and are based off reality, rather than the uncontextualized lies that the far right create to induce a reactionary, emotional response from people.
Exactly and deplatforming would ruin that. That information should always be there...
That's why I used the term "group", this isn't exclusive to just nazis but all groups of idealogy...
I disagree. You can never really know what someone is about 2nd hand...
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no, you can have a wiki/footnote about dangerous fascist views without actual propoganda/recruitment tools like YT allows
germany allows no memorials for nazis & hitler, yet historical text & details survive. this is an important distinction.
this thread is about the distinction between nazi/violent white supremacist views and why they are dangerous & require deplatforming. treating them the same here is disingenuous.
they why not take a stroll off to voat, /pol/ etc and learn first hand how valuable these precious views are
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Salon: "Alt-right" vs YouTube: hitting white supremacists where it hurts
mike is fortunate that death by irony is not a thing
really can't be stressed enough that YT is a recruitment ground for this garbage, and should not be treated by the left as though it was just the next AM radio or the like. this platform is huge for them, and YT is terribly slow to do anything - with the exception of the recent Parkland conspiracy bullshit.
to that end: No Platform for Fascism toolkit, a great tool to report such hateful recruitment videos on YouTube - think i should work this into the OP
plenty of people in here haven't agreed, they've occasionally had arguments worth engaging. you should definitely either read the OP & have something to say next time in actual disagreement (rather than trolling) or keep it moving...
mike is fortunate that death by irony is not a thing
really can't be stressed enough that YT is a recruitment ground for this garbage, and should not be treated by the left as though it was just the next AM radio or the like. this platform is huge for them, and YT is terribly slow to do anything - with the exception of the recent Parkland conspiracy bullshit.
to that end: No Platform for Fascism toolkit, a great tool to report such hateful recruitment videos on YouTube - think i should work this into the OP
plenty of people in here haven't agreed, they've occasionally had arguments worth engaging. you should definitely either read the OP & have something to say next time in actual disagreement (rather than trolling) or keep it moving...
Uhh... lot's of people got to see it first hand and didn't have the luxury of living to tell the tale for sense of self satisfaction about their own enlightenment.
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You know... for someone claiming "hear them out" you sure are covering your ears going "LALALALALA!" when they explain why that's a bad idea.
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This has got to be a joke.
Some "opinions" are not worth having a platform.
Anti vaccination, pro murder, flat earth or creationism are not "opinions" worth having a platform and neo nazism share the same space of shitty ideas that should better be left in the past.
Might as well argue for bona fide pre Lavoisier Alchemy to be taught in school while we're at it.
I can't remember the name of the german comedian who said it but the mantra still holds when asked about if it's ok to make fun of nazis: you must make fun of Nazis, remember them as pathetic idiots and failures. A Trash, absolute garbage ideology doesn't need dignity ascribed to it.
Has anyone mentioned the Antifa Anti-Handbook by an Ivy league professor Mark Bray?
Basically he studied Antifa and facism in the 20s and 30s and basically said this. Hitler and Mussolini were democratically elected. They weren't violent. And look what happened then.
He argues for de-platforming and violence.
I think it's an interesting perspective and puts some academic gravitas into the need to at least de-platforming.
This fact about Hitler and Mussolini should definitely be mentioned in the first post.
Basically he studied Antifa and facism in the 20s and 30s and basically said this. Hitler and Mussolini were democratically elected. They weren't violent. And look what happened then.
He argues for de-platforming and violence.
I think it's an interesting perspective and puts some academic gravitas into the need to at least de-platforming.
This fact about Hitler and Mussolini should definitely be mentioned in the first post.
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'Alt-Right' Ringleader Richard Spencer: We Attract the Mentally Ill
The new documentary 'Alt-Right: Age of Rage' explores the violent rise of the 'alt-right' in America and how white nationalists feel emboldened under President Trump.
When asked about the string of terrorist attacks carried out by white nationalists, an ever-growing list that now includes Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz, Spencer confesses that the "alt-right" movement tends to attract the mentally infirm.
"I think it means something in the sense that the alt-right is getting at that fissure, you know? It's getting at the really taboo issues, it's getting at the most difficult aspects of society, and so that might attract people who are ill in some way," Spencer says.
The new documentary 'Alt-Right: Age of Rage' explores the violent rise of the 'alt-right' in America and how white nationalists feel emboldened under President Trump.
When asked about the string of terrorist attacks carried out by white nationalists, an ever-growing list that now includes Parkland shooter Nikolas Cruz, Spencer confesses that the "alt-right" movement tends to attract the mentally infirm.
"I think it means something in the sense that the alt-right is getting at that fissure, you know? It's getting at the really taboo issues, it's getting at the most difficult aspects of society, and so that might attract people who are ill in some way," Spencer says.
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This is All We've Got': Young White Supremacists are Down to Their Last Fundraising Platform(ThinkProgress)
good piece the SPLC is circulating - MakerSupport needs to be the next funding source shut down
good piece the SPLC is circulating - MakerSupport needs to be the next funding source shut down
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I would have a very hard time not hopitalizing a douchebag like this, fuck the consequences. One of these days he's going to piss off the wrong person.
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^it's an excellent thread, so here it is in a blog post:
and finally, a podcast about the merits of punching nazis, if you're into that kinda thing
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cross-posting, but shaun did a great video on chancellorsville & the true alt-right yesterday
related:
Understanding The Alt-Right's Psychology Through Sartre's Writings
related:
Understanding The Alt-Right's Psychology Through Sartre's Writings
A great video from Innuendo Studios explaining the tactics used by the Alt-Right in their recent rise and debatable fall from grace.
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^good one! great series
also, here's to unmasking these fucks, today's was ricky vaughn
Trump's Most Influential White Nationalist Troll Is A Middlebury Grad Who Lives In Manhattan
one of the most satisfying doxxings in a minute - keep holding that L, alt-right
also, here's to unmasking these fucks, today's was ricky vaughn
Trump's Most Influential White Nationalist Troll Is A Middlebury Grad Who Lives In Manhattan
one of the most satisfying doxxings in a minute - keep holding that L, alt-right
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and from another thread here on Era:
Explosive chemicals, white supremacist material found in apartment of man killed
I'm a big fan of this thread
I'd like to discuss some things though, this thread should also focus on the alt-left who I personally find just as dangerous as the alt right
Neither of these sides deserve platforms
I'd like to discuss some things though, this thread should also focus on the alt-left who I personally find just as dangerous as the alt right
Neither of these sides deserve platforms
Who are some figures you would consider to be on the alt-left?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/03/why-the-alt-left-is-a-problem/amp
The Antifa must be stopped as well, they cause destruction and violence, but we should take care of the alt-right first though, mostly because one of them actually murdered someone.
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this thread is 100% not about nonsense horseshoe theory or false equivalences - the alt-left is likewise not a thing
antifa isn't a group like the alt-right; historically they're a response to popular fascist movements that dies down when the former does
this thread is 100% not about nonsense horseshoe theory or false equivalences - the alt-left is likewise not a thing
I will rephrase this bud, the regressive left, and if I am not allowed to discuss this in this thread then I apologize, I just personally think we shouldn't focus on one side, but all of them.
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this thread is clearly about the dangers of fascism & the alt-right. you're free to define other groups as you please, but yeah, appreciate it if you'd do so in another thread
I do have some ideas on how we can deplatform the alt right and other violent political groups though if you guys are interested
No i mean...
The alt-right is fighting because they want to exterminate/control minorities, because they think they are superior because of their skin color.
According to you, what is the reason behind the fighting of the so call alt-left?
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it's legit refreshing to have someone catch the avatar & not think it's blonde kakashi from naruto, haha
They mean well and I do agree with many of their views but their methods are horrible
Not to mention I see a little bit of them on twitter wanting to silence regular republicans and I see them support Marxism , I can't support that.
I feel you mate
I wish more people knew of the masterpiece that is strider
The central thesis of this thread is pretty much that bigotry should not be treated as a valid opinion within society, and that letting people participate in democracy who wish to end democracy is suicidal.
trying to equate the intentions or relatively-tiny amount of power antifa has in the world with the success and dangers of resurgent right-wing extremism is some bullshit. the notion that any kind of equivalence can be drawn there is vapid propaganda to convince moderates that it's not worth having opinions and to help alt-right efforts to normalize themselves.
trying to equate the intentions or relatively-tiny amount of power antifa has in the world with the success and dangers of resurgent right-wing extremism is some bullshit. the notion that any kind of equivalence can be drawn there is vapid propaganda to convince moderates that it's not worth having opinions and to help alt-right efforts to normalize themselves.
Who would you even place in an "alt left?" Communist / Socialist? I keep hearing dumbfuck right wingers yelling "BUT THE ALT-LEFT?!" yet nobody can tell me who is part of it.
The only fuckers the "altleft" focus their hate is at fascist monsters who are a waste of oxygen. Won't someone think of the windows. Jesus Christ. Get out with this bullshit.