Literally a description of missions Halo and Silent Cartographer.
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Fear of open world stuff is real (Gears 5)
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Literally a description of missions Halo and Silent Cartographer.
But it's not forced and is very small, just glide to the target - forget the optional way points
And other Gears games have driving sections. The only real difference is that there is a handful of optional content. Not sure how that can be viewed negatively, particularly given the speed of the skiff allows you to cover the world quickly.
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Maybe that's why I liked it, I have a history of liking games that the true fans don't like, like Splinter Cell: Conviction, that I remember it got blasted for not being true stealth like the previous ones.
And I'm aware of that, despite my terrible wording this isn't a "fuck open world games they should all stop existing" thread, but rather a "I really found out I can't deal with these kind of games anymore and I don't like them". Most games have gone "open world" or "social" these last few years and I'm not against that. Hell, I really like playing Destiny 2 even though I find the idea of playing with other people to be fucking annoying (never added anyone to a friends list in like...almost ten years?), but it's because I like the gameplay so much despite the other things I can't stand about it.
This really doesn't make sense to me, because linear games like the first 4 Gears' are the ones with the actual stress inducing collectibles.
Collectibles in an open world game will always be there, waiting for you to find them at your leisure, but in a linear game? Better hope you don't miss anything the very first time you pass it, and god forbid you walk over the invisible trigger for a point of no return before you're ready, forever barring you from finding whatever you missed unless you play the entire game over again.
It's so much less stressful to know that I'm never going to be arbitrarily locked out of something just because I picked the wrong nondescript hallway to wander down.
Collectibles in an open world game will always be there, waiting for you to find them at your leisure, but in a linear game? Better hope you don't miss anything the very first time you pass it, and god forbid you walk over the invisible trigger for a point of no return before you're ready, forever barring you from finding whatever you missed unless you play the entire game over again.
It's so much less stressful to know that I'm never going to be arbitrarily locked out of something just because I picked the wrong nondescript hallway to wander down.
I totally get the anxiety of feeling like you HAVE to engage with the open world stuff because what if you might miss something cool??? So I understand where the OP is coming from. Forced open world stuff or RPG elements in games annoy me a lot of the time too.
It's not really rational, it's just how my brain works. I feel like I'm not playing it right if I ignore that stuff.
It's not really rational, it's just how my brain works. I feel like I'm not playing it right if I ignore that stuff.
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Yes! Thank you! This is what I mean!
It's like that Third Person Shooting thread the other day. People suggested MGS5 over and over, but I couldn't help but feeling like it was nuts that people shot their weapons in that game, I would instantly feel that I'm not supposed to do that EVER. It's zero kill, perfect stealth runs or I'm restarting the whole thing.
Just to make the Gears 5 angrier (in a joking way), I never use Dave at all. To me it's a gameplay crutch and when I found out the thing gives you more health or can blind enemies it was an instant "f this, I'm never using it, I can handle shit on my own". For context, I never used healing or boosting in Dark Souls 1/2 other than the base Estus Flask and never summoned anyone because I thought it was "cheating" for myself.
Then again, I'm not judging on people who use items or actually employ Dave's abilities, it's just the way I play my shit, despite being aware how crazy, unusual or unfun it sounds.
There's 3 side missions to get all those upgrades, and they take about 10 minutes each. Not that they're essential to upgrading Jack.
I can only relate in the sense that the complete opposite is true for me. I tried Gears 5 (my first gears experience) and it was painful to me how linear and simple it was. I felt like I was playing a video game from the distant past. But that's just personal preference, I understand. Really what it comes down to is that Game Pass is pretty neat.
Yeah but you pretty much have to do all the content if you want to make sure to get all the upgrades. It's not like you know exactly which ones give them out beforehand so you can just do the bare minimum. Plus you're also missing out on a significant amount of upgrade points too. It's not essential but I wouldn't imagine it's particularly satisfying to have a gimped new mechanic because you don't want to do the side content.
The thing is there's already a ton of open world games on the market and high end linear shooters are becoming a rarity.
Yup, same. You just know that it's possible and that the game was designed to encourage it (especially in MGSV where killing anyone is just a waste of a potential resource), so just gunning people down feels like Doing It Wrong. I can still go on a spree on occasion, mostly outside of missions, but if I'm playing remotely seriously, I need to at least attempt a perfect stealth run.
As someone who isn't a huge fan of open-world games either, I don't really get this fear of missing out on collectibles if they're just stuff that doesn't really add anything to the game.
Totally agree. Completed the open area last night. There is probably 3 to 5 side areas tops and tbh it's really baron. Great to cruise around with a mate and chat while doing so.
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Remember GTA4? I was that idiot hunting the pigeons and shit just to stop myself from seeing a "12/200" stat on my screen or whatever. Guess I felt burned out of collecting everything because it was driving me insane.
You can literally just follow the waypoints and suddenly it's your typical linear Gears. It's not really open world to begin with, the free roam areas are just hubs, with missions spoking off. Following the waypoint takes you directly to each story mission without any need to explore whatsoever.
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Baseless accusation? On what? Me not liking those sections of the game and deciding to quit? I just admitted it's more of a "me problem" than the game being bad. I'm having more fun in the multiplayer and for some reason, the servers have been stable for the last couple of matches, so I'm enjoying the game.
This . This shit here is on your own , nobody is forced to navigate an entire world map .
OP, I'm genuinely confused. I can understand generally not enjoying open world games or sections, that's not an uncommon sentiment round here (I personally love them) but I'm struggling with how you were put off from the gears 5 open sections cause you're scared you'll miss stuff, yet you then immediately say you were fine with it in Spider-Man cause you didn't care if you missed stuff. Like, which is it? As I think some others have said you can quite easily still go from point A to B, skip all the side-stuff and you won't miss any important story beats. You'll still be able to get all the standard weapons, you'll still be able to max out your Jack upgrades. Please explain.
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I'm sorry man. I guess I just really can't relate to the urge of wanting to fill some list or bar. But if it stands in your way of enjoying the game, I see no point in continuing either.
<Rant starts>
I've developed a strong dislike for Ubisoft in the recent years mainly because of this. Their "low-effort", "cookie-cutter","copy-paste" yearly worlds are ruining gaming at-least for me. Even if I completely ignore anything Ubisoft, this is spreading like a plague. God Of War, Tomb Raider and now Gears are all filled with this useless open world chores and activities now. Most probably the same will happen with TLOU and future Uncharted games. I'll still be ok if I can ignore the open world sh*t and can play the game as a linear SP game but that's not the case in most of the games. Burn in hell...Ubilol.
</Rant over>
I've developed a strong dislike for Ubisoft in the recent years mainly because of this. Their "low-effort", "cookie-cutter","copy-paste" yearly worlds are ruining gaming at-least for me. Even if I completely ignore anything Ubisoft, this is spreading like a plague. God Of War, Tomb Raider and now Gears are all filled with this useless open world chores and activities now. Most probably the same will happen with TLOU and future Uncharted games. I'll still be ok if I can ignore the open world sh*t and can play the game as a linear SP game but that's not the case in most of the games. Burn in hell...Ubilol.
</Rant over>
If you don't mind motion controls, then go for it! (It needs Motion Plus, just in case you don't have one). Although I'd just wait a year or two if I were you, since it's the only 3D Zelda left to remaster and the timing is right for it to happen, considering previous remasters/remakes in the series. That's assuming you own a Switch, of course. It's worth a try regardless, if you do end up playing it, I'd love to hear what you think about it!
I'm curious if OP also dislikes the number of collectibles (collected/available) being shown on the menu for Act 1...
As someone who likes open world games, I'm the opposite. If an open world game forces linearity or doing something a specific way that it really shouldn't need to, that can break my enthusiasm for playing it. I'm reminded again of Far Cry 3's forced stealth and automatic failure if I didn't conform to how it insisted I proceed with a mission. I don't want that kind of thing in my 'open' world games!
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I had that idea before lots of people telling me I can ignore most of the thing on the map to keep on moving through the campaign. People corrected me and I accept I had that mistake. You just threw "baseless accusation" and didn't know what you meant. So yeah, it was my bad and I honestly recognize it.
Enjoy your "yeah I sure showed this dumb guy" post though.
Sure!
Spider-Man felt like a fun game moving from point a-to-b and I was engaged so much in the story that I didn't care about the side missions or collectables, felt like I could finish and play the game just fine by going through the main missions and felt like I had my fill with it after I was done with the story.
But I can't stress how much I disliked the glider thing and how badly I controlled it, so I dreaded I had to endure with it to move on with the game and also miss the collectibles, which is something I really liked about the Gears 1-3 games and thought they would be lost forever if I didn't had a perfect run while visiting the markers on the map.
So I'll say this one more time. I'm liking Gears 5 gameplay a lot, and enjoy the multiplayer so far, but the changes in the campaign stuff put me off, but I'm not saying the game is shit, a saga is ruined or whatever, I JUST DON'T LIKE TO EXPLORE AN OPEN MAP IN A GEARS GAME.
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You guys have no idea.
I thought they balanced the linear and the open pretty well. Even in acts 2 and 3 there is a lot of traditional Gears gameplay.
The areas are not huge, they have several optional things to do that can be ignored if you so choose (though I like Jack's abilities so I definitely wanted to do them) and for me were a welcome change of pace. These side missions are also generally very short, very upfront and not elongated or filled with tons of exposition. It's weird to read some say the game is empty and others say the game has too much stuff going on.
Writing them off as pointlessvis a little OTT for me,.though I know why some don't like 'open world' stuff.
The areas are not huge, they have several optional things to do that can be ignored if you so choose (though I like Jack's abilities so I definitely wanted to do them) and for me were a welcome change of pace. These side missions are also generally very short, very upfront and not elongated or filled with tons of exposition. It's weird to read some say the game is empty and others say the game has too much stuff going on.
Writing them off as pointlessvis a little OTT for me,.though I know why some don't like 'open world' stuff.
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I play videogames in a very damaging and horrible way. I don't wish this on my worst enemy.
Nah, I don't plan on ever buying a Switch, but I do happen to have a Motion Plus (bought a Wii Sports Resort bundle for like $10 dollars when Blockbuster closed down in my country, think it's still unopened haha) so I guess I'll just be on the lookout if I see a used copy somewhere. :)
Oh, and for those going with the "gotcha, OP is lying/he's hating on Gears" post. Be my guest, you'll find out how inconsistent I am when playing videogames and why I rarely talk about them online and never in public lol.
Also, I'm taking breaks between matches to reply, I'm really enjoying the multiplayer, but I'm sorry (?) if I can't get into the campaign mode because of the mental block I get when I see a damn compass and big ass map.
There is ZERO chance you've actually played gears 5 with this post. Seriously, the term open world is horribly fucking misused when it comes to this game.
This is not a spoiler, this is the act 3 map, with EVERY map object on it.
There aren't random collectibles to find, obscure quests to run into, nothing. There are 8 things, a home base, and player icon (that's the one by the cursor/waypoint). All of the other icons aren't ranodm bullshit, they're bespoke missions.
The lit up part represents the entirety of the explorable 'world' in the game in act 3, and act 2 isn't any bigger. Act 1 and 4 don'[t have them.
All of the OPs fears are EXTREMELY misplaced. Like, donkey kong country takes longer to get across the map in than this game.
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Yup. Havnt played 1 out of the 3 games I was talking about in my post. And then regarding Gears my post was based on what others have posted about the upgrade points and how certain characters will be weak if you dont do optional stuff...which I usually found very boring in all the games with this mechanic.
Problem : Player fears skipping collectables. Solution: Skips entire remaining game.
Gears isn't an open world game. It has two rather large maps. Like every gears game, there are collectibles scattered around, but if you've never cared about them before , I'm not sure why you would now.
Gears isn't an open world game. It has two rather large maps. Like every gears game, there are collectibles scattered around, but if you've never cared about them before , I'm not sure why you would now.
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Pretty much! I just opened the map and went "nah, this is not happening, later". As in, straight up turned off the X1 right there.
But then...
Guess who feels like a huge dumbass now? Now I feel like that guy who kept punching Zeus in the face in God of War 3.This is not a spoiler, this is the act 3 map, with EVERY map object on it.
There aren't random collectibles to find, obscure quests to run into, nothing. There are 8 things, a home base, and player icon (that's the one by the cursor/waypoint). All of the other icons aren't ranodm bullshit, they're bespoke missions.
The lit up part represents the entirety of the explorable 'world' in the game in act 3, and act 2 isn't any bigger. Act 1 and 4 don'[t have them.
All of the OPs fears are EXTREMELY misplaced. Like, donkey kong country takes longer to get across the map in than this game.
You can basically ignore the open world element and just follow the markers. 90% of the open world stuff is optional.
I think it's just because people use open world when really it's more of just an overworld. It has literally 0 of the tropes of an open world in terms of standard gaming parlance. It's basically a hub that you happen to have a skiff in, which is pretty fun to drive around honestly. The 'hidden' missions are BLATANTLY marked with flags, act 2 you get all marked on your map for you even if you want, and act 3 you can literally just see them all while you go in your straight line, and you just roll up, get out, and do the mission.
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See, you made an excellent point on me being wrong and maybe I'll check that shit out in the future since I'm way too invested in the MP right now, but we'll just agree to disagree on controlling the glider. I hated it instantly and kept smashing myself on the walls left and right, so maybe that will be the "hard" part of getting through with that. :)
I agree (not that I'll play Gears 5, the series never appealed to me), but the shoe-horning in of open-worlds is a trend that needs to end (same with forced RPG elements and crafting). Games these days feel the need to be as long as they can; longer than they need to be and it hurts the overall design a lot of the times. The fans are clamoring for them too, but I generally feel they don't really know what they want or are even asking.
Saying to just go from A to B and skip the optional open-world stuff is like saying to skip half the game. It's there; it's meant to be played. If you don't want it to feel like a chose make it better or omit it altogether. It's why I'll never touch Assassin's Creed. People are just accepting that half the game is superfluous and they "don't expect you to do everything anyway". What kind of an excuse is that? It's like skipping half the levels in Mario 3. Every time I replay that I never skip a level because it's all good.
/edit: to be clear: I'm talking about open-worlds in general, not Gears 5.
Saying to just go from A to B and skip the optional open-world stuff is like saying to skip half the game. It's there; it's meant to be played. If you don't want it to feel like a chose make it better or omit it altogether. It's why I'll never touch Assassin's Creed. People are just accepting that half the game is superfluous and they "don't expect you to do everything anyway". What kind of an excuse is that? It's like skipping half the levels in Mario 3. Every time I replay that I never skip a level because it's all good.
/edit: to be clear: I'm talking about open-worlds in general, not Gears 5.
Its Jack you're talking about.
But yeah if you don't collect all the components in the open areas Jack wont be fully upgraded... This really shouldn't be a deal breaker for most people - he doesn't need to be fully upgraded to be satisfying and most of the components are found in the mandatory story segments.
You hate the open spaces because you care about missing collectibles? Well, then don't care about them. There are very few outside linear zones, you perfectly can upgrade Jack only exploring the more linear stages, same with most of the collectibles and they are only important if you want to now more about the Gears lore.
Great Game but those open world sections sure are irritating and hamper the flow of the campaign. The linear sections are amazing tho.
I disagree with this part. I think what open worlds gain in scope, exploration and emergent gameplay, they often lose in narrative focus and character building.
It's not a coincidence that most open world games struggle to tell a thigh, coherent, well-placed story.
They're just a different type of experience, imo.
I had similar concerns while playing Act 2 and particularly Act 3. Far too much skiffing back and forth in boring, featureless plains. It felt like artificial padding and as if The Coalition were checking the 'open world' box in the misguided belief that this is how Gears needs to stay relevant in 2019. Thankfully Act 1 and 4 were classic Gears, but at less than half the campaign it points to a worrying direction for the future of the franchise.
