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Fear of open world stuff is real (Gears 5)
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Yeah those sections are pretty bad and the overall pacing is off. Will probably end up being my least favorite Gears game but not for this reason alone. Currently in Act 3 so things might change. The whole game should have been like act 1. That was GREAT.
I feel like this is an exaggeration. Gears 5 is very much a linear game with the option of experiencing some side missions if you choose to stray from the beaten path. It's not an open world at all.
The skiff essentially replaces the "slow walk" exposition & dialing dumps from previous games.
Lol yea both maps are basically wide open canyons, you'd have to try to slam into walls Tbh.
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I took very wide turns and got distracted by the Del and Kait chatter. Here's hoping I'm never a game reviewer.
Well that's not a problem with the controls then, just a bit of difficulty multitasking. But yeah reviewer doesn't seem like the best career choice lol
And who are you to dictate that lol? Some people were hating on BOTW before it released, it turned out to be one of the best games ever.
I'll probably never understand complaints like this, and much less completely uninstalling a game over it...
But I suppose a REASON to include stuff like this in a game is to lend a hand to the world-building element some games tend to have. Sure, the game could have been just linear levels completely through, but there are those of us out here that tend to enjoy the sense of scale and depth to the game's universe that open areas provide, I think. I mean, Destiny, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, Control, etc., could have also just have been a bunch of missions you select from a menu, but I probably would have liked those games a LOT less if they were...
But I suppose a REASON to include stuff like this in a game is to lend a hand to the world-building element some games tend to have. Sure, the game could have been just linear levels completely through, but there are those of us out here that tend to enjoy the sense of scale and depth to the game's universe that open areas provide, I think. I mean, Destiny, Horizon: Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, Control, etc., could have also just have been a bunch of missions you select from a menu, but I probably would have liked those games a LOT less if they were...
Gears 5 is not the open world game to be worried about, lmao; I know it's bigger than Zelda OOT, but the open snow area kinda reminds me of that game in scope.. like it's got a bit of size to it when you get to each place, but you aren't on your skiff for more than a minute when traveling anywhere, there is no massive amount of stupid shit collectothon stuff going on etc etc..
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I've always been a "cut through the middle" player so I find this mindset hard to relate to. The open world parts in Gears 5 are very basic and shallow so there's not a lot to miss to be honest.
The boat stuff, especially your first time through, bloats the total playtime and part of me wonders if that wasn't intentional. To be clear, I think GoW PS4 is one of gaming's best titles. That said, having all these little side areas, often ones where you can progress after a small fight then find out you don't have the necessary item/ability to finish it and must yet again trudge back to your boat, start back up the mp3 clip of your previous conversation with Atreus, and wander back around the lake started to feel really tedious to me. I'm actually curious how much of my playtime was spent around that lake not doing much at all...
You're not going to like uncharted 4 and ll then.
I wouldn't be surprised if TLOU2 has sections which can be deemed "open world".
I wouldn't be surprised if TLOU2 has sections which can be deemed "open world".
Yeah I dunno, I reckon the glider was easy as to control, and the maps while they had large open areas weren't that hard to "100%".
It's open world lite. The skiff is fun to bounce around the world but it's not like an Assassins Creed game where there are 100's of waypoints and random doodads to dig up, just to fill some xp bars up or to fill out achievements.
In reality, the Gears 5 open world stuff is just a test to push out of the usual gray and drab Gears world filled with waist high gray blocks, and introduce something a little more relaxed and interesting to look at. 10+ hours of the same old Gears is why the series has been declining, hence the newer elements like faster paced combat and open world elements have been introduced.
In reality, the Gears 5 open world stuff is just a test to push out of the usual gray and drab Gears world filled with waist high gray blocks, and introduce something a little more relaxed and interesting to look at. 10+ hours of the same old Gears is why the series has been declining, hence the newer elements like faster paced combat and open world elements have been introduced.
Burnout Paradise, no other game that jumped to open world comes even close to killing my interest like BP did.
gears, god of war.... these aren't "open world" any more than say ocarina of time.
i think a good moniker might be "wide linear", contained and focused exploration areas connecting linear areas.
finding collectables in these is no worse than scouring every corner in the main maps, imo.
i think a good moniker might be "wide linear", contained and focused exploration areas connecting linear areas.
finding collectables in these is no worse than scouring every corner in the main maps, imo.
So what's the point of having them? The open area on Lost Legacy is the one reason stopping me having a second run-through. If it's linear anyway, just make it linear like a normal level.
Caveat: I haven't reached an open level yet, so I might even enjoy it.
I felt like it adds a good bit of extra stuff to the game, you get to catch dialogue and stumble across some stuff that nods to previous events in gears. it's basically world building/seasoning. It allows for some cool combat scenarios and power ups for exploring.
Jack's a beast in Gears!
No, I love open-world games. If anything, Gears 5 is too conservative in its more open acts, but it's the first time for The Coalition and the franchise.
I enjoyed the previous linear campaigns as well, but this new approach has some advantages (and some disadvantages). Pacing is obviously altered, and whether it's for better or for worse will depend on your tastes and sensibilities. What the more open sections give you - and that's true for open-world designs in general - is the sense that you're in control of where you want to go, and what you want to do. You don't have to do everything if you don't feel like it, and even if you do, you get to pick the order. That's also a matter of taste, and some people will prefer more hand-holding, which is fine.
Then there's the joy of exploration and finding things that perhaps not everyone has discovered. It's an investment and reward thing.
Finally, this design allows for encounters in different locations without the need to artificially stitch them together in a sequence that would make some sense.
It's ironic because the point of open worlds is player volition - play how you want, what you want, where you want, at the pace you want - but that it often leads to choice paralysis /content completion FOMO.
I haven't played Gears 5 yet but I know that you're not alone in your distaste for the structure of the campaign. I've definitely seen people who love open world games say that they dislike the open world hubs in this game. Also, noted Gears fan Jeff Gerstmann over at Giant Bomb I believe said something along the lines of him being close to dropping the campaign because he found the hubs to be so off-putting and momentum killing. Definitely the most positive things I've heard about them is that they're nice looking and for many they didn't get in the way of their enjoyment of the game.
It almost seems like that the game would've benefited from being structured like MGSV: you can explore the world if you want or just pick a mission from a drop down list and go.
It almost seems like that the game would've benefited from being structured like MGSV: you can explore the world if you want or just pick a mission from a drop down list and go.
I don't mind open world games at all provided the gameplay loop is fun.
I don't understand this fear of missing out? If you're enjoying the game, why wouldn't you want to take your time, explore, and get sucked into the world?
I don't understand this fear of missing out? If you're enjoying the game, why wouldn't you want to take your time, explore, and get sucked into the world?
Too bad Gears 5 also some overly long and uninteresting cutscenes. And loading times. And forced slow walking sections. Pacing is off just to reach that 10+ hours mark for the campaign.
There are 2 open hub areas in the game, each with maybe 6-7 side missions max. These are completely optional as well, the only thing you might miss are special unlocks for Jack. This is definitely not worth skipping the entire campaign over.
I thought the cutscenes were absolutely great in Gears 5, and I think many people would agree. Also, there have been slow walking sections in every Gears game, it's nothing new. It's hilarious you think they did this stuff just to make a 10+ hours campaign.
I thought the cutscenes were absolutely great in Gears 5, and I think many people would agree. Also, there have been slow walking sections in every Gears game, it's nothing new. It's hilarious you think they did this stuff just to make a 10+ hours campaign.
and adding cutscenes and loading times for trasversal helps how?
"pacing" is another meme concept in games, more agency > less agency is always a positive thing
Complete opposite feeling here. The amount of things you have the option to finish are short and are very clearly laid out. You can see pretty muhc every point of interest from far away as well.
For those of you who have yet to play it, I wouldn't judge it. The slowdown to the pace helps the overall pacing of the game, imo, and the dialogue between the characters helps develop them very nicely. Not to mention the skiff itself is great fun to drive, especially on ice.
For those of you who have yet to play it, I wouldn't judge it. The slowdown to the pace helps the overall pacing of the game, imo, and the dialogue between the characters helps develop them very nicely. Not to mention the skiff itself is great fun to drive, especially on ice.
Most bizarre thread of the year, to me.
Maybe if was microtransactions. Maybe if was a pay to win feature. But one section ruined everything? Yo, chill.
Maybe if was microtransactions. Maybe if was a pay to win feature. But one section ruined everything? Yo, chill.
Yeah this. Assassin's Creed this is not. It's literally just a (not even all that huge) overworld that gives you the chance for some fun traversal in between combat encounters.
The perception of a game's features is ultimately what matters most. It may functionally be a very similar experience to past Gears games, but it coming across as now being "open world" will make agoraphobic (agamaphobic?) players react this way.
I guess I just like the downtime of the open spaces in Act 2 and 3. There was something nice about the slow downed pace of Skiffing around and discovering points of interest.
I honestly really feel what you're saying OP, open world is really overwhelming to me as well.
I don't know if it's simply because I am burnt out on open world in general or if it's just my obsessive need to see everything, I never had this problem with GTA V so I am going to assume it's just me being burnt out.
I don't know if it's simply because I am burnt out on open world in general or if it's just my obsessive need to see everything, I never had this problem with GTA V so I am going to assume it's just me being burnt out.