Fewer Births Than Deaths Among Whites in Majority of U.S. States

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WASHINGTON — Deaths now outnumber births among white people in more than half the states in the country, demographers have found, signaling what could be a faster-than-expected transition to a future in which whites are no longer a majority of the American population.
The Census Bureau has projected that whites could drop below 50 percent of the population around 2045, a relatively slow-moving change that has been years in the making. But a new report this week found that whites are dying faster than they are being born now in 26 states, up from 17 just two years earlier, and demographers say that shift might come even sooner.

“It’s happening a lot faster than we thought,” said Rogelio Sáenz, a demographer at the University of Texas at San Antonio and a co-author of the report. It examines the period from 1999 to 2016 using data from the National Center for Health Statistics, the federal agency that tracks births and deaths. He said he was so surprised at the finding that at first he thought it was a mistake.

The pattern first started nearly two decades ago in a handful of states with aging white populations like Pennsylvania and West Virginia. But fertility rates dropped drastically after the Great Recession and mortality rates for whites who are not of Hispanic origin have been rising, driven partly by drug overdoses. That has put demographic change on a faster track. The list of states where white deaths outnumber births now includes North Carolina and Ohio.
The change has broad implications for identity and for the country’s political and economic life, transforming a mostly white baby boomer society into a multiethnic and racial patchwork. A majority of the youngest Americans are already nonwhite and look less like older generations than at any point in modern American history. In California, 52 percent of all children are living in homes with at least one immigrant parent, Professor Sáenz said.
“People say demographics is destiny and there’ll be more people of color — all that is true,” said Jennifer Richeson, a social psychologist at Yale University. “But they also say the U.S. is going to become more progressive, and we don’t know that. We should not assume that white moderates and liberals will maintain current political allegiances, nor should we expect that the so-called nonwhite group is going to work in any kind of coalition.”
Deaths began to exceed births for whites countrywide in 2016, according to the report. But in many states, as in Florida, white people moving in made up the losses. However, in 17 states, including California, Michigan, New Jersey and Ohio, those migrants weren’t enough and the white populations declined between 2015 and 2016, said Kenneth M. Johnson, a demographer at the University of New Hampshire and the report’s other author. Five of those states registered drops in their total populations that year: Vermont, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Connecticut.

Despite demographic change, whites — and in particular less educated whites — will still make up the bulk of eligible voters in the country for a while. Whites without a bachelor’s degree will make up 44 percent of eligible voters in 2020, said Ruy Teixeira, a political scientist who did a broad study of demography and politics this spring. College-educated whites will be about 23 percent. Mr. Teixeira said Republicans could continue to win presidential elections and lose the popular vote through 2036 if they did even better among whites who had not graduated from college, while other voting patterns held steady.

That is giving politicians incentives to emphasize issues, like immigration and race, where there are the biggest differences in views by education. A class divide has been growing for years among whites. In 1988, there was no difference between whites with a college degree and those without, Mr. Teixeira said. Both voted for George Bush over Michael Dukakis by a 20-point margin. By 2016, Mrs. Clinton lost noncollege whites by 31 points, double Mr. Obama’s 2012 loss, while carrying college-educated whites by seven points.
Some experts argue that the transition to a white minority might be much further off than the numbers suggest. The Census Bureau counts any person who is of mixed race or ethnicity as nonwhite, and experts say this can underestimate whites in the population. For example, the child of a white mother and Hispanic father would be counted as Hispanic, even though research shows that many such mixed children — about 11 percent of all births, according to Richard Alba, a sociologist at the City University of New York — are not unlike white children in terms of residence, family income, schooling and eventually, marriage.
 

Admiral Woofington

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I keep reading how minorities will outnumber white people in the US by like 2050 or 2060 by the way trends were going 3ish years ago. I wonder if that year has changed.

Edit: derp article makes mention of this. How to read full article amirite
 

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I keep reading how minorities will outnumber white people in the US by like 2050 or 2060 by the way trends were going 3ish years ago. I wonder if that year has changed
The article says the projected date went down to 2045, but now with the opioid epidemic and dropping fertility rates it's happening potentially faster. Things are gonna get ugly before they get better.
 

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This is why we have a resurgence of white nationalism. They're afraid they're dying out and can't see that a multi ethnic country is better for everyone.

I personally can't wait until old white idiots don't hold a huge percentage of the vote anymore
 

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This is my dad's relative's worst nightmare. I only visited them once in NH and within a day told me they lament the day when white people aren't the majority anymore... I uh think that one time ever meeting them was enough.
 

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I’m doing my part to keep Indiana out of the blue!

Wait, I got snipped in December! Oh no!
 

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As a white American, good. The sooner white people in America stop being a majority the sooner we can get rid of fascist fuckwits.
 

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Good.

As long as the Republican Party alienates itself as a party for white nationalists and nazis, it will eventually become outnumbered.
 

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This is why we have a resurgence of white nationalism. They're afraid they're dying out and can't see that a multi ethnic country is better for everyone.

I personally can't wait until old white idiots don't hold a huge percentage of the vote anymore
The young white supremacist seem a bit more reckless. Not looking forward to see how this plays out.
 

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Despite demographic change, whites — and in particular less educated whites — will still make up the bulk of eligible voters in the country for a while. Whites without a bachelor’s degree will make up 44 percent of eligible voters in 2020
Mr. Teixeira said Republicans could continue to win presidential elections and lose the popular vote through 2036 if they did even better among whites who had not graduated from college, while other voting patterns held steady.
Things will still be shit for a while even with clear demographic changes :(
 

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This is my dad's relative's worst nightmare. I only visited them once in NH and within a day told me they lament the day when white people aren't the majority anymore... I uh think that one time ever meeting them was enough.
"my worst nightmare is the day I can't tell racist jokes anymore without offending everybody in the room"
 

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I have mixed feelings. Don't like to see that more people are dying but a more diverse nation would undoubtedly be safer for black/brown/asian people.
 

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Never understood why the alt-right is so afraid of this kind of data. Literally all white people have to do to fix this "genocide" is fuck more and take care of their health.
 

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Oh, so it's not the nonwhites, it's the white youth being averse to having babies.

Call me fucking shocked.
 
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As a white American, good. The sooner white people in America stop being a majority the sooner we can get rid of fascist fuckwits.
I imagine it'd get worse because now they'll say white genocide is really happening and other things. Really the right's constant attack on social welfare programs, lack of NHS which hobbles job mobility, wage stagnantion is doing a number on the white community in conjunction with opioids and the like.
 
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Oh, so it's not the nonwhites, it's the white youth being averse to having babies.

Call me fucking shocked.
Not always just the white youth apparently:
The aging of the white population began in rural counties long before it ever took hold in an entire state. Martin County, a bear-shaped patch of eastern North Carolina, first experienced it in the late 1970s. In recent years, deaths have exceed births among its black population, too. Hispanics make up less than 4 percent of the county’s population.
 

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Don't forget we will see more of a mixed population the further we go. You'll have less of a person being only white, black, hispanic, asian ect...
 
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Don't forget we will see more of a mixed population the further we go. You'll have less of a person being only white, black, hispanic, asian ect...
“The Census Bureau is trying to apply a 20th-century conception of race and ethnicity on a situation that’s fundamentally changing,” Professor Alba said. The rapid rise of racial and ethnic mixing has led to a generation of young people whose identities are fluid, but who often “lean white,” he said. “You could think of them as kind of integrating into a kind of white mainstream.”
 

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I imagine it'd get worse because now they'll say white genocide is really happening and other things. Really the right's constant attack on social welfare programs, lack of NHS which hobbles job mobility, wage stagnantion is doing a number on the white community in conjunction with opioids and the like.
Once white people (here) can't win the vote by numbers alone is when things will get scary... or they could get better maybe those poor uneducated will finally realize social redistribution helps them the most.

But white people aren't the problem, really. Many far more white countries (than the states) are far more progressive than the states. Hopefully it will change with education.
 

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This is pretty common for developed nations if I am not mistaken. I think American ethnic minorities will eventually be facing the same problem and it will be the immigrants who will prevent population decline in America.
 

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Wonder how much faster the estimate will be once they add in the fact that the alt-right is full of man children that will never procreate.
 

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Maybe our country can finally start to become the mixing pot it was always meant to be?
 

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We should be welcoming immigrants, they keep our population and economy growing. Everyone benefits from it.
 

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The white people in charge that are afraid of being a minority are making it harder for young people to be secure and have children. Ha ha, sow your own downfall you old fucks. I’m white and I welcome this.
 

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White genocide caused by white people themselves. That takes "going against your own interests" to a whole new level
 

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What we are witnessing with the Trump / alt right era is the death rattles of the white majority. Well maybe it will be a while but 20 ish years we will be a minority majority