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Vic_Viper said:
Now theres even rumors that this all started because Horner tried to buy out the Red Bull team with British financiers, without telling the board lol.

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Cosa c'è dietro il caos Red Bull: Horner voleva comprare il team!

Una fonte autorevole ha raccontato a FormulaPassion.it di un'offerta presentata da Horner - e finanziatori britannici - per il team Red Bull
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Basically wanted Marko and the Dutch side gone.


Also, Gerhard Berger thinks Horner will end up staying, but Marko and Newey will leave.

View: https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1764673785611841668?s=20

This might not be far off from the eventual outcome. I could see the team splitting, or just imploding.
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This really seems like the worst outcome imaginable for Red Bull. They lose the best driver and the best engineer on the grid, all to protect a guy that couldn't keep his dick in his pants around his own employee.

I can't help but think they'll lose an enormous amount of fans as well. Who wants to support a team like that?
 
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Vic_Viper said:
Now theres even rumors that this all started because Horner tried to buy out the Red Bull team with British financiers, without telling the board lol.

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Cosa c'è dietro il caos Red Bull: Horner voleva comprare il team!

Una fonte autorevole ha raccontato a FormulaPassion.it di un'offerta presentata da Horner - e finanziatori britannici - per il team Red Bull
www.formulapassion.it www.formulapassion.it



Basically wanted Marko and the Dutch side gone.


Also, Gerhard Berger thinks Horner will end up staying, but Marko and Newey will leave.

View: https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1764673785611841668?s=20

This might not be far off from the eventual outcome. I could see the team splitting, or just imploding.
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That can't be real.


Why on earth would Red Bull keep Horner over Newey and Max? Why would Max leave the most dominant team for a team that's not even the 3rd fastest right now?


It makes no sense.
 
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Horner desperate to be as powerful as Toto (33%) Wolff

Unfortunately for the tory helmet it's not quite as easy as making sure he gets to speak on the radio after every race win
 
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I need a summary.

some tabloids said Horner send dick picks to a woman/RBR employee!?
Red Bull (racing?) investigated and found nothing!?
then there were whatsapp screenshots of him texting with a woman that wasn't his wife. some people said the pictures he send looked KI generated.
and now Marko, Newey and Max want to leave the team because of Horner texting with an other woman?
 
Coyote Starrk

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I wanna know where Merc was in all of this.


Has Toto been in Max's DMs the moment Lewis announced he was leaving or something?
 
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Droopy_McCool said:
Why does the guy that owns 51% of the company want to protect Horner so much?
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Perhaps easier to replace a driver than any of the organisation he would look to take with him, or perhaps easier to deal with than any of the damage he would look to inflict if they forced him out. Toxic team, so who knows what damage he could do to the company (specifically the multi-billion dollar Red Bull brand) if he doesn't leave on his own terms
 
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Randam said:
I need a summary.

some tabloids said Horner send dick picks to a woman/RBR employee!?
Red Bull (racing?) investigated and found nothing!?
then there were whatsapp screenshots of him texting with a woman that wasn't his wife. some people said the pictures he send looked KI generated.
and now Marko, Newey and Max want to leave the team because of Horner texting with an other woman?
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Randam said:
I need a summary.

some tabloids said Horner send dick picks to a woman/RBR employee!?
Red Bull (racing?) investigated and found nothing!?
then there were whatsapp screenshots of him texting with a woman that wasn't his wife. some people said the pictures he send looked KI generated.
and now Marko, Newey and Max want to leave the team because of Horner texting with an other woman?
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you guys read and even worse listen to too many tabloid stuff..
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    Randam said:
    I need a summary.

    some tabloids said Horner send dick picks to a woman/RBR employee!?
    Red Bull (racing?) investigated and found nothing!?
    then there were whatsapp screenshots of him texting with a woman that wasn't his wife. some people said the pictures he send looked KI generated.
    and now Marko, Newey and Max want to leave the team because of Horner texting with an other woman?
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    He had a sexual relationship with his PA. Possibly sexual harassment, depends on your definition I suppose. She tries to stop his advances repeatedly and he didn't do it.

    Possibly a dick pick, but people can't agree if it is actually a dick or not (Google Horner file 76).

    Red Bull investigated and decided to dismiss the allegations. We don't actually know what the allegations was, since RB didn't disclose anything. But reports are saying RB was spinning it as there wasn't anything criminal in there, therefor it was okay. Interestingly they never actually wrote that he was "cleared of wrongdoing".

    Then a few days later 79 pages with messages was leaked and all hell broke loose.

    A whole lot of other shit happened, but essentially this all seems to be a part of a bigger power struggle between the two sides of the RB parent company. With the Austrian owners, Marko and Verstappens on one side and the thai owners and Horner on the other. MBS also seems to kinda be on the Horner side, since he tried to get Max to publicly annonce support for Horner.
     
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    So let's say hypothetically Max does want to go to Merc and Red Bull really won't stand in his way.


    How quickly could all of the contract stuff realistically be worked out to make it work? It would take weeks right?
     
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    We don't actually know Max's contract details though - if there are any clauses that would actually give him an exit, if he actually wanted it.
     
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    Coyote Starrk said:
    They couldn't announce it a year early like Lewis?
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    They could annonce it sure, but the move wouldn't be before. If you are just asking when they could annonce it at the earliest, that is pretty much impossible to know. But it probably wouldn't be before summer break if I had to guess.

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    We don't actually know Max's contract details though - if there are any clauses that would actually give him an exit, if he actually wanted it.
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    That's what I thought, but three different outlets has verified independently that Max has a exit clause that means he can leave the team if Marko is no longer there. One of them is Erik van Haren, who has a pretty much completely spotless record when it comes to RB news. So seems pretty damn likely, that he actually does have such an exit clause. And Marko is saying he won't stand in the way of Max, so you can imagine a scenario where Marko quits the team and that allows Max to leave as well.
     
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    Max in a Merc jumpsuit and Alonso in a Red bull looks so fucking weird lol

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    Dragon Puncher said:
    They could annonce it sure, but the move wouldn't be before. If you are just asking when they could annonce it at the earliest, that is pretty much impossible to know. But it probably wouldn't be before summer break if I had to guess.
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    Yeah I'm just talking about the announcement.
     
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    Max and Russell would be such a bad teammate combo, lol. Getting a real Hamilton and Rosberg 2.0 from those two being in the same team.
     

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    Vic_Viper said:
    Now theres even rumors that this all started because Horner tried to buy out the Red Bull team with British financiers, without telling the board lol.

    www.formulapassion.it

    Cosa c'è dietro il caos Red Bull: Horner voleva comprare il team!

    Una fonte autorevole ha raccontato a FormulaPassion.it di un'offerta presentata da Horner - e finanziatori britannici - per il team Red Bull
    www.formulapassion.it www.formulapassion.it



    Basically wanted Marko and the Dutch side gone.


    Also, Gerhard Berger thinks Horner will end up staying, but Marko and Newey will leave.

    View: https://x.com/RBR_Daily/status/1764673785611841668?s=20

    This might not be far off from the eventual outcome. I could see the team splitting, or just imploding.
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    What's Gerhard Berger got to do with the price of cheese??

    In other words, what insight does he have that makes his opinion more valid then anyone else's in the paddock?
     
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    Coyote Starrk said:
    I'm not saying he is slow. I'm just saying Max is insane.


    Comparing anyone to Max is unfair right now.
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    Eh, Russel was set to win his first GP filling in for Lewis back when Mercedes had the best car and it wasn't close. I think either the pit crew fucked up their tires or he got a puncture I don't remember.

    He has a lot of potential if the car is there for him. I also can't help but respect a driver who puts it all on the line to crash themselves out going for a win rather than coasting for an easy podium. Like, that's all I'm asking from LeClerc but he gives me the opposite.
     
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    If we use the transitive property, George can match Lewis on a good day, and we know from 2021 that Lewis == Max in close machinery.

    Therefore, using science and math, George is roughly equal to Max, albeit below in mental toughness which does make a difference. On a good day.

    That's my F1 bro-science for the day
     
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    I think all these twitter rumors being linked are completely made up but that picture made me realize how much I want Alonso and Albon at Red Bull to be a real thing in 2025.
     
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    Switching gears for a sec and I continue to be super down on DTS. The Singapore/Sainz win was just covered in episode 8 (I think, maybe 7) and they COMPLETELY ignored the DRS strategy Sainz had with Lando.

    I thought it would make for great television, the two ex teammates working together with a spur the moment trick never seen before … and nothing. As usual DTS just does vibes, never actually tries to be 1% smarter. The show refuses to evolve and now all the participants are cagey and dont say anything. Its a real shame

    We need a scripted F1 show where the actors play out all the rumors and drama from the season
     
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    XaviConcept said:
    Switching gears for a sec and I continue to be super down on DTS. The Singapore/Sainz win was just covered in episode 8 (I think, maybe 7) and they COMPLETELY ignored the DRS strategy Sainz had with Lando.

    I thought it would make for great television, the two ex teammates working together with a spur the moment trick never seen before … and nothing. As usual DTS just does vibes, never actually tries to be 1% smarter. The show refuses to evolve and now all the participants are cagey and dont say anything. Its a real shame

    We need a scripted F1 show where the actors play out all the rumors and drama from the season
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    Worse yet Sainz was on the radio telling his team what he was doing was intentional. It was probably the most made for TV race outside Vegas last season.
     
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    George strikes me as the kind of guy who would privately really, really hate for Lewis to be replaced by another massive name that would once again upstage him.
     
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    George strikes me as the kind of guy who would privately really, really hate for Lewis to be replaced by another massive name that would once again upstage him.
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    Who doesn't this apply to? Honestly? I don't think Lewis or Max would appreciate each other joining their team either. I think both would fucking HATE for Alonso to be their teammate. I see folks keep falling for Nice Guy Alonso, nope, not being fooled.
     
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    Tbm24 said:
    Who doesn't this apply to? Honestly? I don't think Lewis or Max would appreciate each other joining their team either. I think both would fucking HATE for Alonso to be their teammate. I see folks keep falling for Nice Guy Alonso, nope, not being fooled.
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    Max & Lewis will always think/know that they're the #1 drivers wherever they are. What I'm getting at is that George surely thinks he's about to be the new Merc #1 and have the direction of the team setup around his desires in a car. But if Max were to go there he's back to being the sidekick.

    I would think he wants someone younger and less experienced to replace Lewis, no? So he's the main man?
     

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    XaviConcept said:
    Switching gears for a sec and I continue to be super down on DTS. The Singapore/Sainz win was just covered in episode 8 (I think, maybe 7) and they COMPLETELY ignored the DRS strategy Sainz had with Lando.

    I thought it would make for great television, the two ex teammates working together with a spur the moment trick never seen before … and nothing. As usual DTS just does vibes, never actually tries to be 1% smarter. The show refuses to evolve and now all the participants are cagey and dont say anything. Its a real shame

    We need a scripted F1 show where the actors play out all the rumors and drama from the season
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    That one really bugged me because they "had" to ignore the Lando stuff because it expressly contradicted the narrative they wanted to construct with the episode, which is "look at Ferrari, they've pulled together into a cohesive team and it's working!" Sainz having to construct his own race strategy to unilaterally drag Lando Norris in a McLaren along with him while the team is none the wiser and only catches on after Sainz has to openly tell them "yes I'm doing that intentionally" kinda blows up that story. And it extra does if your evidence for "it's one big team pulling together" is Ferrari deciding to do the opposite in pushing Leclerc back out of DRS range in an ultimately doomed move just so he can delay the Mercs for a little bit.

    They had a great story handed to them on a silver platter, but it wasn't the story they wanted to tell, and so they ditched it and tried to stitch together one they preferred.
     
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    Tbm24 said:
    Who doesn't this apply to? Honestly?
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    Exactly. This place does seem to have an odd attitude towards George, painting him as either useless or an egomaniac that needs knocking down a peg or two. All the drivers have a well developed ego, it goes with the job, and I don't feel he is worse or better than anyone else. As for his driving, he is up there with the best, and on a good day could take on, and beat anyone.

    Looking forward to all this Red Bull stuff to coming to end one way or another. It's fun for a while, but all the various rumors start to get annoying... just fucking settle it.
     
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    Coyote Starrk said:
    Yeah Lewis leaving was huge, but not world ending because we know he will be gone sooner rather than later.

    Max leaving and going to Mercedes of all places would shake the face of the earth.
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    The entire point is moot without us knowing if Max has some [non-performance related] exit clause in place. If not, he will be staying with RB for a while even if he is unhappy.
     
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    DieH@rd said:
    The entire point is moot without us knowing if Max has some [non-performance related] exit clause in place. If not, he will be staying with RB for a while even if he is unhappy.
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    It's been mentioned above that multiple outlets are reporting that he has an exit clause. And even if he didn't Red Bull doesn't want to have an unhappy driver. Especially one that is as famous as Max with an outspoken father like Jos. They don't want that kind of drama.



    If Max wants out he will be out.
     

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    Phoony17 said:
    What's Gerhard Berger got to do with the price of cheese??

    In other words, what insight does he have that makes his opinion more valid then anyone else's in the paddock?
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    He doesn't know anything. Just spewing BS like a lot of people are right now. F1 media is largely quite unreliable, but there are a few pretty good sources particularly regarding RBR like Erik van Haren, who has confirmed the exit clause that exists in Verstappens contract if Marko were to leave the team. I wouldn't put any stock into any of these other stories whatsoever.

    Even if it were to happen, it wouldn't be until 2026 at the earliest. Max isn't an idiot, he's not jumping ship to go from essentially 5 guaranteed championships in a row to a shitbox. Logically, it only makes sense to make a move with the 2026 regulation changes, if there is enough turbulence surrounding the RBPT PU development (especially if Ford somehow pulls out).

    I find it far more likely that Horner leaves the team, in one way or another, and business continues as usual.
     
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    Coyote Starrk said:
    It's been mentioned above that multiple outlets are reporting that he has an exit clause. And even if he didn't Red Bull doesn't want to have an unhappy driver. Especially one that is as famous as Max with an outspoken father like Jos. They don't want that kind of drama.



    If Max wants out he will be out.
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    Yeah, but honestly, RB is firing on all cylinders. He is winning every race. That doesn't seem to be changing. Why would he be unhappy? Enough to go to Mercedes of all places, who has the third or fourth fastest car. Even in Max's hands it won't magically change the physics around it to suddenly be winning races. Especially when you likely have '24 on lock, and most likely '25 too since everyone will be focusing on '26.
     
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