Fighting Games Era |OT| Two-Button Dashes Are Great

Disgraced

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The steam version is crossplay if I remember correctly. If not you can always get the windows or xbox version. There are still a good amount of people playing. I am on xbox and have no problem finding matches.
Then I guess I'll look into installing KI! XB1 version is a no-go for me nowadays tho. I'm not paying for Live and I don't have the adapter to use my DS4 on it.
 

shaowebb

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Shameless self-promotion— made a new video if anybody is interested

Very methodical and well thought out. I also enjoy the visual cuts and pacing to reinforce the examples you discuss.
Its a very broad topic on customization and diminishing returns that can occur when you go into such design choices. Especially the major issue of adding one thing and it makes another irrelevant. Its how you get folks calling someone a "poor mans" version of the more capable tool or character.

Keep making these. Its not too long and it makes a lot of good thoughtful points in good ways that fans can get a lot from when it comes to design. I am always for ANYTHING that makes players understand design logic more.
 

lvl 99 Pixel

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Shameless self-promotion— made a new video if anybody is interested

V-skill selection in SFV seems like an interesting way to customize characters though I haven't played the game much since that was a thing.

The support system in Pokken is one of the more interesting ways to customize (though there's still a lot of picks that are straight up better) with support choices coming in pairs that you can switch between rounds and choose the method in which meter is effected. I want to see what they do in a potential sequel.
 

Zissou

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Very methodical and well thought out. I also enjoy the visual cuts and pacing to reinforce the examples you discuss.
Its a very broad topic on customization and diminishing returns that can occur when you go into such design choices. Especially the major issue of adding one thing and it makes another irrelevant. Its how you get folks calling someone a "poor mans" version of the more capable tool or character.

Keep making these. Its not too long and it makes a lot of good thoughtful points in good ways that fans can get a lot from when it comes to design. I am always for ANYTHING that makes players understand design logic more.
Thanks! I try to keep stuff pretty short— I think a focused primer on almost any topic can be done in ~5 minutes (though this one went a bit over, unfortunately). I didn't really have space for it, but I think the points you touch on apply a lot to any fighting game and are interesting to think about. Adding a new character to a game takes a lot of resources. Re-balancing your game so more of your existing characters are viable could caught less while netting you (functionally) more characters.

V-skill selection in SFV seems like an interesting way to customize characters though I haven't played the game much since that was a thing.

The support system in Pokken is one of the more interesting ways to customize (though there's still a lot of picks that are straight up better) with support choices coming in pairs that you can switch between rounds and choose the method in which meter is effected. I want to see what they do in a potential sequel.
I have very little exposure to Pokken, but it's interesting to hear that they played with idea as well! When coming up with examples, I generally stick with games I'm familiar with to (hopefully) avoid being way off the mark, haha.
 

Astral

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Would you guys recommend Garou? It’s like $5 right now so I’m considering it just to see what the fuss is all about with rollback.
 

crazyfunster

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Brutal week in the anime game world.

Chaos Code development ceased for what seems like personal reasons, and now Examu is apparently going out of business, ceasing operations next month, though a Team Arcana might still exist (so it might be a downsizing)
 

shaowebb

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Brutal week in the anime game world.

Chaos Code development ceased for what seems like personal reasons, and now Examu is apparently going out of business, ceasing operations next month, though a Team Arcana might still exist (so it might be a downsizing)
Holy fuck...
Only a month ago Chaod Code put out a code teasing Chaos Code next but after his brother and cocreator died the emotional toll of doin this project is hurting the health of its remaining creator severely. I wish him well.

Examu out of nowhere. We still haven't gotten. Pistrix, Dark Heart or our new arcana for love max six stars after years of waiting from the crowd funding stretch goals. I thought they were doin better with million Arthur and landing a cameo in bbtag.

This really hurts man. I thought both were growing not dying...
 

Tizoc

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*Salutes anime fighters*

2 Hours of Tetris Grand Master 2 Plus

60+ mins. of Dark Awake

60+ mins. of Daemon Bride

1 Hour of Vampire Hunter/Darstalkers' Revenge

60+ mins. of King of Fighters 02 UM

2 Hours of Street Fighter III 3S matches

3+ Hours of Super Street Fighter II Turbo

3 Hours of Melty Blood

An extra 2 hours of Street Fighter III 3S

60+ mins. of Garou
 

crazyfunster

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More info came out, the Examu thing is a reorginzation and downsizing of the non fighting-game parts of the company, they're going to go by Team Arcana going forward.

That's not as bad as it sounded originally.
 

Rellyrell28

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Yo this No Frillz Podcast with Evil Rashaun aka BBW Messiah is going places and it's hilarious. Like they went into how he got the BBW Messiah name and and it took it's Classic No Frillz turn.
 

Iggy

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More info came out, the Examu thing is a reorginzation and downsizing of the non fighting-game parts of the company, they're going to go by Team Arcana going forward.

That's not as bad as it sounded originally.
Fewwww, that's a bit better. What non fighting-game parts did they have?
Time to reform Yuki Enterprise!
 

nomemorial

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I've been outta the loop with stuff for awhile, but watching DBFZ Worlds this weekend + the upcoming NA release of GBFV has me back on fighters in a big way. Forgot how much I missed playing consistently. Biggest downside is that I moved from Chicago to small-town NC, so I'm kinda at a loss for locals, but I can hopefully get some games in at conventions or something and grind away online when I get more comfortable.

How many games do you all tend to stick with at a time? I've got the issue of being a really...distractable gamer, so I'm really trying to lock in to no more than 3 games to concentrate efforts on, but I find myself dabbling in everything.
 

Astral

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Is story mode in Garou supposed to be impossible on the default difficulty? I can’t get past fucking Butt. And I’m having trouble really understanding the game. Combo timing seems strict. At best I can combo maybe two hits together. It feels so odd.
 

Astral

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That's like every SNK game from the 90's. That's why kof had the option of having basically cheats when you lose.
Garou does that too but I’m stubborn and wanna beat it without cheats. I also know part of the reason I’m sucking is that I don’t understand the game on a fundamental level.
 

Hyun Sai

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That's like every SNK game from the 90's. That's why kof had the option of having basically cheats when you lose.
Nah, I give you some bosses were problematic, but we had no problem beating the normal opponents at the arcade back in the day. And the bastards put the games way beyond normal.

Garou does that too but I’m stubborn and wanna beat it without cheats. I also know part of the reason I’m sucking is that I don’t understand the game on a fundamental level.
Yeah, that may be it. Which character are you playing ? You're right on the sense that the combo system is stricter, depending on who you're playing you may have to use cancels and break moves.

Some combos with Terry, from simple BnB to the crazy stuff. The cancel ones start around 55'
 
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Skittles

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>MFW going through power ranger story mode and seeing all the marvel ass shit in each character's moveset


"time force pink has a doom missile assist? OH MY GOD"
"this level of zoning from mastodon should be illegal"
 

shaowebb

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>MFW going through power ranger story mode and seeing all the marvel ass shit in each character's moveset


"time force pink has a doom missile assist? OH MY GOD"
"this level of zoning from mastodon should be illegal"
Power Rangers Battle for the Grid is by design meant to be a new marvel. Shady K and Clockw0rk were in on that shit and it gets constant care.

  • time force Pink hidden missiles
  • Mega goldar has Blodia Punch (Goldia punch in movelist lol)
  • Quantum Red has vergils voice actor and makes several references (I need more...QUANTUM Power., Im motivated)
  • Quantum Red has Cable's 4 shot and made into a 5shot because fuck it. Ass pose and everything
  • Zedd's super is a tribute to Dr Doom puttin em in the blender from his throne
  • Wavedashing!
  • 3v3 with assists
  • leaving crazy loops in , lots of combo routes and letting general insanity rock
  • certain someone has helm splitter
Its Mahvel baby.
Game is insane. Glad that NWAY has a bigger parent company owner now so they got a bit more money for this year's stuff. Seems like they're growing. They're definitely drawing solid attention between the success of their mobile game and BFTG. Wouldn't be surprised if in several years they get even more licensed work across both fronts.
 

shaowebb

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/arcana-heart-3-six-stars-update-is-out-new-arcana-1st-extra-character.170009/


News !
First update since the Aug 2017 kickstarter for arcana heart 3 six stars is out now!
Adds pistrix and the new arcana paracelsia!
Dark heart will be added later.

Team Arcana said:
Hello Everyone,

The early test version of "Arcana Heart 3 LOVE MAX SIX STARS!!!!!! XTEND" is now released on Steam for backers. The new playable character, "Pistrix", and the accompanying arcana, "Parace L'sia" are both available for play now!

*"Dark Heart" can be seen but locked in the Character Selection screen. She will be made available at a later time.

Please update the "Arcana Heart 3 LOVE MAX SIX STARS!!!!!! XTEND Crowdfunding Edition" via regular Steam client methods, and upon downloading the update you can immediately play the early test version.

*Please note that as this is still an under-development version, bugs are bound to be present. It will be most appreciated if you can assist us by reporting the bugs found by creating a new thread in the Steam Community Hub, under the sub-forum "AH3X Technical Support / Bug Reports".

https://steamcommunity.com/app/851680/discussions/1/

*Also, upon the first boot up of the early test version, you may run into errors in the initial loading screen indicating a corrupted/damaged/missing save data. Kindly proceed by selecting "Cancel" and turn off the auto-save feature when the game prompts you so.
Had to go to my steam library and do a search for Arcana and sure enough a NEW Arcana Heart 3 Six Stars XTEND Crowdfunding Edition was queued as a seperate game from my old Six Stars game.

We in there lets GO!
 
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Skittles

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Power Rangers Battle for the Grid is by design meant to be a new marvel. Shady K and Clockw0rk were in on that shit and it gets constant care.

  • time force Pink hidden missiles
  • Mega goldar has Blodia Punch (Goldia punch in movelist lol)
  • Quantum Red has vergils voice actor and makes several references (I need more...QUANTUM Power., Im motivated)
  • Quantum Red has Cable's 4 shot and made into a 5shot because fuck it. Ass pose and everything
  • Zedd's super is a tribute to Dr Doom puttin em in the blender from his throne
  • Wavedashing!
  • 3v3 with assists
  • leaving crazy loops in , lots of combo routes and letting general insanity rock
  • certain someone has helm splitter
Its Mahvel baby.
Game is insane. Glad that NWAY has a bigger parent company owner now so they got a bit more money for this year's stuff. Seems like they're growing. They're definitely drawing solid attention between the success of their mobile game and BFTG. Wouldn't be surprised if in several years they get even more licensed work across both fronts.
Phew it's a lot to take in. Just gonna do what I always do and learn one combo for each character that does 50%~ then spend dozens of hours working execution online
 

Iggy

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/arcana-heart-3-six-stars-update-is-out-new-arcana-1st-extra-character.170009/


News !
First update since the Aug 2017 kickstarter for arcana heart 3 six stars is out now!
Adds pistrix and the new arcana paracelsia!
Dark heart will be added later.


Had to go to my steam library and do a search for Arcana and sure enough a NEW Arcana Heart 3 Six Stars XTEND Crowdfunding Edition was queued as a seperate game from my old Six Stars game.

We in there lets GO!
Oh, nice! I'll need to reinstall to try her out. Such a good game under all that artstyle.
 

shaowebb

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Heres some AH3 LM SSX ce footage that's on youtube.


Heres a japanese stream of crowdfunded edition from a few hours ago. Lots of matches.
 

shaowebb

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What in the flying fuck ...!?
Okay I know dmc dudes have a history of breaking NDA but is this for real?

DID A NEW CAPCOM VS GAME JUST GET LEAKED!?
Dahbomb

 
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Dahbomb

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This guy said Dante would be in Smash U as well so I wouldn't take too much stock into that.
 
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stop

just stop


What in the flying fuck ...!?
Okay I know dmc dudes have a history of breaking NDA but is this for real?

DID A NEW CAPCOM VS GAME JUST GET LEAKED!?
Dahbomb

two posts above you
 
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shaowebb

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This guy said Dante would be in Smash U as well so I wouldn't take too much stock into that.
I honestly haven't ruled that out. The first dlc of a season pass had to be ridiculous to sell the whole season. Last time it was Joker that held that role. If Nintendo wanted byleth in and him and another were in the works at the same time I'd say byleth wouldnt be the guy youd save to sell next season with.
I'm not ruling dante out till after the first season pass dlc character is shown because I still feel its Dante who will be announced to kick of this season of smash.

Also hate me if you will but it's been 2 years since vergeben said in that summer rumor that itd be 2 to 2 years before a first trailer got shown and now suddenly mvc at evo on its 20th anniversary and vs game possible teases.

It's enough to pay attention to. Folks may hate vergeben but he called Simon, Ridley, and the entire ninja turtles team before. They've had some real news before.
 

alundra311

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What in the flying fuck ...!?
Okay I know dmc dudes have a history of breaking NDA but is this for real?

DID A NEW CAPCOM VS GAME JUST GET LEAKED!?
Dahbomb

Please don't be MvC and be something like TvC. I'm so over Marvel.
 

shaowebb

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Please don't be MvC and be something like TvC. I'm so over Marvel.
I dream of TVC hard. I always will. Yatterman 1, Polymar, Cashern, Joe the Condor, Ippatsuman....just so many crazy awesome movesets in that title and such flashy characters. Sad they haven't returned.

I still think the Capcom vs CAPCOM Idea would make the most bank and be the coolest though.
Gimmick is classic era capcom vs Modern with stages having both 2d & 3d versions and remixed minigames like mm boss dragon fight but its Rathalos instead of the Megaman dragon or Asura vs SF car or whatever. Roster of modern franchise folk like RE, Monster Hunter, Sengoku Basara, DMC, Dead Rising, Dragons Dogma, Asuras Wrath etc vs roster of classic era stuff like Battle Circuit, Captain Commando, Ghosts n Goblins, Megaman, Ruby Heart, Amingo, Son Son, etc.

Just feels like it'd have the biggest appeal to folks old and new and be a great way to show off the brand in a feel good manner.
 

alundra311

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I dream of TVC hard. I always will. Yatterman 1, Polymar, Cashern, Joe the Condor, Ippatsuman....just so many crazy awesome movesets in that title and such flashy characters. Sad they haven't returned.

I still think the Capcom vs CAPCOM Idea would make the most bank and be the coolest though.
Gimmick is classic era capcom vs Modern with stages having both 2d & 3d versions and remixed minigames like mm boss dragon fight but its Rathalos instead of the Megaman dragon or Asura vs SF car or whatever. Roster of modern franchise folk like RE, Monster Hunter, Sengoku Basara, DMC, Dead Rising, Dragons Dogma, Asuras Wrath etc vs roster of classic era stuff like Battle Circuit, Captain Commando, Ghosts n Goblins, Megaman, Ruby Heart, Amingo, Son Son, etc.

Just feels like it'd have the biggest appeal to folks old and new and be a great way to show off the brand in a feel good manner.
That's a cool idea and a great way to bring back some of their old characters.
 

Shanaynay

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Oct 27, 2017
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Played a couple of matches of Garou with someone who had a ping of 245 with me, not sure how much I should've cranked up the rollback settings but, excluding maybe 1 or 2 matches, the experience was decent enough that the proper moves came out well.

I feel the player might've been from Japan, the very first match he picked Tizoc but the name was "The Griffon" and when they won, it was japanese texte but the matches after, it reverted back to Tizoc and english text.
 

Iggy

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Dante in Smash is more a question of "when" than "if". Bill it "the only game where Bayo and Dante can fight each other" and even people who hate Smash will have to stop and take notice.
I dream of TVC hard. I always will. Yatterman 1, Polymar, Cashern, Joe the Condor, Ippatsuman....just so many crazy awesome movesets in that title and such flashy characters. Sad they haven't returned.
I hope they'll recycle these movesets somehow. Like, Swan could be a modern June moveset. Yatterman 1 could be Saturn's? Ippatsuman should be Shôma (except for the giant robot... or maybe Natsu would replace it).
Question is, who could replace Polymar.
 

sibarraz

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How hard is to play 4-5 tournaments on EVO? is there a chance of getting dqd because you must play 2 matches at the same time?
 

ThatCrazyGuy

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How hard is to play 4-5 tournaments on EVO? is there a chance of getting dqd because you must play 2 matches at the same time?
Naw, it doesn’t happen. They space out your brackets. The release the brackets the week before or so, so if something did slip through the cracks, you can contact them and get it resolved.

You might have a 12pm then a 2pm though. If you are good enough to be moving higher in the brackets, it might become an issue later on into them.