Fighting Games Era |OT| Two-Button Dashes Are Great

SpectrumWarrior · Oct 11, 2018

Those top 8 are way too early for Europe, guess I'll watch SFV Sunday, if I'm awake.

Anth0ny · Oct 12, 2018

Dahbomb said:
Just saw Anth0ny's video...

Bruh we aren't getting MVC4.

WELL WELL WELL

dahbomb i want no less than 150 pages on the perfect marvel 4. apa format.

A Pretty Panda · Oct 12, 2018

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2018...pening-will-be-re-branded-marvel-vs-capcom-4/
Eventscrubs sez so

Dahbomb · Oct 12, 2018

Anth0ny said:
WELL WELL WELL

dahbomb i want no less than 150 pages on the perfect marvel 4. apa format.

You don't need 150 pages on it. It's pretty obvious (at least to me).

*Don't bother with Marvel, just go all in on Capcom characters for a Capcom VS game so that as many Capcom characters get in. Capcom has enough slots to make a fighter with 75 characters easily.

*Go back to 3v3 fighting assist style but incorporate in some of the changes made in the genre since MVC3. Maybe add custom assists, maybe add ability to use 3 different assists (like Blazblue Tag), maybe incorporate in Tag mechanics. This is probably where you need more in depth discussion on though. Definitely take stuff like being able to DHC to your 3rd character directly like in Dragon Ball Z.

*Go back to 3 attack buttons but keep d+H as a launchef and make S a special trait button for characters to make them more unique.

*Focus on getting as many characters in day 1 as possible, don't try to nickel and dime. As you said they should be launching with 40-50 characters.

*Netcode and multiplayer modes need to be on point. Proper lobbies, spectator mode, tournament mode, online training.

*Single player offline modes need to be juicy too. Not crap tutorial mode, mission mode, arcade mode, story mode, customizable options, tons of training mode options etc.

*Heroes and Herald 2.0. Some way we csn customize characters and teams with new stuff and its like endless content because they can keep addings cards/stones/items with different rarities. This is where the MTX/GaaS stuff should be as this is a for fun mode and not meant to be competitive. Keep mtx/gaas stuff away from competitive side unless its cosmetics. This will also keep casuals engaged because you can keep unlocking things (minor things) even if you lose.

*Provide a F2P version option. Give a rotating set of 18 characters to make a team from every week and you can buy characters piece meal. When you have spent like 60 bucks buying characters it just unlocks full game or whatever the full price of the game is.

*Stylized art and graphics that dont suck. Art has to be on point.

*Make sure you put budget into the game even if you are expected to only sell 2 million, if the game is amazing then competitors are more likely to be putting money into it.

*Continued tournament support like with SFV.

Overall they just need to combine what SFV/DBFZ have been doing and improve on things that they didn't get right.

Deleted member 6056 · Oct 12, 2018

Dahbomb said:
You don't need 150 pages on it. It's pretty obvious (at least to me).

*Don't bother with Marvel, just go all in on Capcom characters for a Capcom VS game so that as many Capcom characters get in. Capcom has enough slots to make a fighter with 75 characters easily.

*Go back to 3v3 fighting assist style but incorporate in some of the changes made in the genre since MVC3. Maybe add custom assists, maybe add ability to use 3 different assists, maybe incorporate in Tag mechanics. This is probably where you need more in depth discussion on though.

*Go back to 3 attack buttons but keep d+H as a launchef and make S a special trait button for characters to make them more unique.

*Focus on getting as many characters in day 1 as possible, don't try to nickel and dime. As you said they should be launching with 40-50 characters.

*Netcode and multiplayer modes need to be on point. Proper lobbies, spectator mode, tournament mode, online training.

*Single player offline modes need to be juicy too. Not crap tutorial mode, mission mode, arcade mode, story mode, customizable options, tons of training mode options etc.

*Heroes and Herald 2.0. Some way we csn customize characters and teams with new stuff and its like endless content because they can keep addings cards/stones/items with different rarities. This is where the MTX/GaaS stuff should be as this is a for fun mode and not meant to be competitive. Keep mtx/gaas stuff away from competitive side unless its cosmetics. This will also keep casuals engaged because you can keep unlocking things (minor things) even if you lose.

*Provide a F2P version option. Give a rotating set of 18 characters to make a team from every week and you can buy characters piece meal. When you have spent like 60 bucks buying characters it just unlocks full game or whatever the full price of the game is.

*Stylized art and graphics that dont suck. Art has to be on point.

*Make sure you put budget into the game even if you are expected to only sell 2 million, if the game is amazing then competitors are more likely to be putting money into it.

*Continued tournament support like with SFV.

Overall they just need to combine what SFV/DBFZ have been doing and improve on things that they didn't get right.

I agree with this. The vs style of fast tag action is proven to be a big hit for Capcom but licensing and joint ventures have proven very rough for them o. Multiple occasions. Time to take the best of what they've built, apply it to a single well budgeted and supported large roster Capcom only roster and promote their ip via the insane tournament hype moments that ensue.

Marz · Oct 12, 2018

They need Magneto and Doom.

Bring back Blackheart too plz.

Otherwise I'm gonna struggle to find someone to play outside of Dorm.

Kadey · Oct 13, 2018

FGC seems a lot more quiet these days.

ThatCrazyGuy · Oct 13, 2018

What is happening in these SEA pools is why I love open tournaments. Love it!

Tension Mask · Oct 13, 2018

ThatCrazyGuy said:
What is happening in these SEA pools is why I love open tournaments. Love it!

Some really impressive 'unknowns' in this one!

BadWolf · Oct 13, 2018

Damn, Daigo owned Tokido in SEAM top 16.

Tension Mask · Oct 13, 2018

Loved that Daigo vs Gamerbee match. Good stuff by Big Bird, and Tokido doing his usual losers' gauntlet

Sheng Long · Oct 13, 2018

BadWolf said:
Damn, Daigo owned Tokido in SEAM top 16.

He's Tokido's demon.

Rice Eater · Oct 13, 2018

Sheng Long said:
He's Tokido's demon.

Did you not check up with the current results? They met again in top 8 and Tokido eliminated Daigo 3-2. And though Tokido did beat Daigo in the FT10, Tokido has won the majority of the matches in tournament play.

Big Bird ended up winning the whole thing and he's the first non East/SE Asian to win an Asian Premier event. So good shit to him. As for Tokido, he has another shot at redemption by winning the Asia Regional Top 8.

Sheng Long · Oct 13, 2018

Rice Eater said:
Did you not check up with the current results? They met again in top 8 and Tokido eliminated Daigo 3-2. And though Tokido did beat Daigo in the FT10, Tokido has won the majority of the matches in tournament play.

Big Bird ended up winning the whole thing and he's the first non East/SE Asian to win an Asian Premier event. So good shit to him. As for Tokido, he has another shot at redemption by winning the Asia Regional Top 8.

I do follow everything. Just saying that histoically and even after he has beaten him a few times, Tokido still thinks of Daigo as the one he struggles against.

Khaos Prime · Oct 14, 2018

https://www.twitch.tv/dragonballfighterz DBFZ top 8 on right now

Westlo · Oct 14, 2018

Never seen a top player sandbag as much as Sonicfox just did.

Sheng Long said:
I do follow everything. Just saying that histoically and even after he has beaten him a few times, Tokido still thinks of Daigo as the one he struggles against.

Tokido can say what he wants, going by results in SFV he's dominated Daigo, S1, S2 and S3.

yeah he beat Tokido in that FT10....but look what happened a few weeks later.

FT10 Event
March 10th - Daigo 10 - Tokido 5

Norcal Regionals
April 1st - Tokido 3 - Daigo 1

ELeague
July 14th - Tokido 3 - Daigo 0

SEAM
October 13th - Daigo 2 - Tokido 0
October 13th Top 8 - Tokido 3 - Daigo 2.

Kadey · Oct 14, 2018

All this time I just realized Vegitto wears gloves.

Khaos Prime · Oct 14, 2018

Kaz is such a beast.

Anth0ny · Oct 14, 2018

Dahbomb said:
You don't need 150 pages on it. It's pretty obvious (at least to me).

*Don't bother with Marvel, just go all in on Capcom characters for a Capcom VS game so that as many Capcom characters get in. Capcom has enough slots to make a fighter with 75 characters easily.

*Go back to 3v3 fighting assist style but incorporate in some of the changes made in the genre since MVC3. Maybe add custom assists, maybe add ability to use 3 different assists (like Blazblue Tag), maybe incorporate in Tag mechanics. This is probably where you need more in depth discussion on though. Definitely take stuff like being able to DHC to your 3rd character directly like in Dragon Ball Z.

*Go back to 3 attack buttons but keep d+H as a launchef and make S a special trait button for characters to make them more unique.

*Focus on getting as many characters in day 1 as possible, don't try to nickel and dime. As you said they should be launching with 40-50 characters.

*Netcode and multiplayer modes need to be on point. Proper lobbies, spectator mode, tournament mode, online training.

*Single player offline modes need to be juicy too. Not crap tutorial mode, mission mode, arcade mode, story mode, customizable options, tons of training mode options etc.

*Heroes and Herald 2.0. Some way we csn customize characters and teams with new stuff and its like endless content because they can keep addings cards/stones/items with different rarities. This is where the MTX/GaaS stuff should be as this is a for fun mode and not meant to be competitive. Keep mtx/gaas stuff away from competitive side unless its cosmetics. This will also keep casuals engaged because you can keep unlocking things (minor things) even if you lose.

*Provide a F2P version option. Give a rotating set of 18 characters to make a team from every week and you can buy characters piece meal. When you have spent like 60 bucks buying characters it just unlocks full game or whatever the full price of the game is.

*Stylized art and graphics that dont suck. Art has to be on point.

*Make sure you put budget into the game even if you are expected to only sell 2 million, if the game is amazing then competitors are more likely to be putting money into it.

*Continued tournament support like with SFV.

Overall they just need to combine what SFV/DBFZ have been doing and improve on things that they didn't get right.

I like your ideas.

I wonder if they would consider getting rid of incoming mixups. FighterZ had a pretty elegant solution. Would make the game a lot more beginner friendly, but also... getting touched once and then not being able to play IS THE DNA OF MAHVEL

i'm conflicted >_<

Dahbomb · Oct 15, 2018

No one likes the "not being able to play" DNA anymore. I am fine with incoming mix ups being removed like DBFZ but I think a better solution is to have characters be able to do actions on incoming like change their incoming trajectory. MVCI had that too where you can alter how you come in plus that game also has the Stone system to get you out of a mix up. I think that's more dynamic and keeps the pace of the game.

Tizoc · Oct 15, 2018

Tan · Oct 18, 2018

edit: nevermind I got duped

CO_Andy · Oct 19, 2018

i wonder wich game Soul Calibur is gonna replace at EVO

SpectrumWarrior · Oct 19, 2018

Difficult to say.
Will SSB Ultimate replace SSB WiiU?
Will Mortal Kombat XI be released to replace Injustice 2?
If both are yes, it should be one of Arc System Works game, Guilty Gear Xrd: Rev2 most probably (less entrants in 2018 than Blazblue Cross Tag Battle).

If there's a Marvel vs Capcom 4, then I don't know.

ThatCrazyGuy · Oct 20, 2018

Hey guys, mastercup finals was crazy, lol. Not GamerBee vs momochi level, but interesting.

Lowhighs screen went black for 2 seconds. I agree with marksman, should had ran back the final round, hehe.

Kaguya · Oct 20, 2018

SpectrumWarrior said:
Difficult to say.
Will SSB Ultimate replace SSB WiiU?
Will Mortal Kombat XI be released to replace Injustice 2?
If both are yes, it should be one of Arc System Works game, Guilty Gear Xrd: Rev2 most probably (less entrants in 2018 than Blazblue Cross Tag Battle).

If there's a Marvel vs Capcom 4, then I don't know.

MK and IJ has a lot of similarities, but even then, one mainly replace the other because:
1- the other is usually pretty dead when the next NRS game comes out
2- that's what NRS want as they completely drop support in favor of the new game

Nothing wrong with ASW supporting more than one game, that being said, I doubt Xrd will comeback unless ASW heavily support it or the next Xrd game comes out before EVO.

ThatCrazyGuy said:
Hey guys, mastercup finals was crazy, lol. Not GamerBee vs momochi level, but interesting.

Lowhighs screen went black for 2 seconds. I agree with marksman, should had ran back the final round, hehe.

If they didn't ran it back, isn't that worse a controller malfunction? That's an organizers fault that might have ruined the game, where as with controllers all the blame is on the defected controller owner.

sandboxgod · Oct 20, 2018

CO_Andy said:
i wonder wich game Soul Calibur is gonna replace at EVO

I definitely want to see SC6. it can replace gg xrd or bbtag or an nrs title

Korigama · Oct 21, 2018

sandboxgod said:
I definitely want to see SC6. it can replace gg xrd or bbtag or an nrs title

BBTAG's numbers make it very unlikely to be replaced (wouldn't want to see it happen, either way). Evo being a stop on the Arc Revo tour make it an even less likely candidate, though one could say the same of Rev2 based on that.

All Fiction · Oct 21, 2018

CO_Andy said:
i wonder wich game Soul Calibur is gonna replace at EVO

Melee.

Deleted member 6056 · Oct 21, 2018

AlecKoKuTan said:
https://clips.twitch.tv/RefinedNimbleBurritoSoonerLater

Thoughts? I remember FChamp leaked the Venom and Jedah alts super early back in the early MvCi days before the final patches.

Oh boy. F Champ leaking and hinting Marvel. He's playing more and alluding that its because he knows something. Dude is all bout that insider edge to try and scam himself a legup at tournies early on.
Here we go again folks. Rumors and shenanigans will soon follow forth.

Sheng Long · Oct 21, 2018

Next EVO will be bonkers with all the fighters out.

ThatCrazyGuy · Oct 21, 2018

Yea, EVO next year is gonna be awesome.

AlecKoKuTan · Oct 21, 2018

When do tickets for evo usually go on sale? Also the hotel blocks?

Sheng Long · Oct 21, 2018

AlecKoKuTan said:
When do tickets for evo usually go on sale? Also the hotel blocks?

After they announce the dates.

AlecKoKuTan · Oct 21, 2018

Sheng Long said:
After they announce the dates.

What I'm asking is, do they have a season, time frame, that one could expect such an announcement?

Dahbomb · Oct 21, 2018

AlecKoKuTan said:
What I'm asking is, do they have a season, time frame, that one could expect such an announcement?

Around January is when they announce it.

AlecKoKuTan · Oct 22, 2018

Dahbomb said:
Around January is when they announce it.

Thanks, I'll be looking out!

Tizoc · Oct 22, 2018

Deleted member 6056 · Oct 25, 2018

So the MVC4 rumors seem to say early development and treading carefully a lot. In a world where this all turns out to be true where would that put potential announcements for such a title in the calendar in yalls opinions?
Announced late spring 2019 released spring 2020?
Announced fall 2019 released fall 2020?
Annnounced Fall 2020 released Spring 2021?

Its being speculated as a next gen thing. Boy imagine if they went whole hog like Killer Instinct on effects and shaders...
Anyhow, what time frame sounds reasonable IF this is real if it truly is in early development? I'm leaning fall 2020 or spring 2021 for a launch so maybe a later 2019 announcement.

Dahbomb · Oct 25, 2018

shaowebb said:
So the MVC4 rumors seem to say early development and treading carefully a lot. In a world where this all turns out to be true where would that put potential announcements for such a title in the calendar in yalls opinions?
Announced late spring 2019 released spring 2020?
Announced fall 2019 released fall 2020?
Annnounced Fall 2020 released Spring 2021?

Its being speculated as a next gen thing. Boy imagine if they went whole hog like Killer Instinct on effects and shaders...
Anyhow, what time frame sounds reasonable IF this is real if it truly is in early development? I'm leaning fall 2020 or spring 2021 for a launch so maybe a later 2019 announcement.

Whatever it may be, it seems that the original leaker is already being wish washy with it. Because if it's early in development then it's clearly NOT a "rebranded MVCI" as originally stated it to be.

That means we aren't even sure if this project is in fact Marvel related anymore since it's not MVCI related.

Best case scenario is that they leave this until early next gen console cycle so they can take their sweet time with it. The current console generation is already inundated with fighting games as it is, Capcom needs the extra time and budget to really catch people's attention with the new generation of fighters. Oh and make it Capcom vs Capcom rather than dealing with Marvel business so the entire budget can go towards making a good game rather than getting license and paying Marvel just so they can tell Capcom which Dr Strange hand wave signs are comic book accurate.

Sheng Long · Oct 25, 2018

When it comes, it comes. Next gen fighter as a launch or release window title would be ideal since the sting of Infinite will be more a memory.

Kirblar · Oct 25, 2018

shaowebb said:
So the MVC4 rumors seem to say early development and treading carefully a lot. In a world where this all turns out to be true where would that put potential announcements for such a title in the calendar in yalls opinions?
Announced late spring 2019 released spring 2020?
Announced fall 2019 released fall 2020?
Annnounced Fall 2020 released Spring 2021?

Its being speculated as a next gen thing. Boy imagine if they went whole hog like Killer Instinct on effects and shaders...
Anyhow, what time frame sounds reasonable IF this is real if it truly is in early development? I'm leaning fall 2020 or spring 2021 for a launch so maybe a later 2019 announcement.

We've heard from multiple sources that both SF6 and MvC4 have entered very preliminary development recently. This brings an interesting timing decision for Capcom- which IP do you release first? There's an argument for both orders.

MrCarter · Oct 26, 2018

Canada Cup thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/fighting-game-era-canada-cup-2018-oct-26-28.77103/

Kadey · Oct 27, 2018

This must be the most Japanese traveled tourney ever not named EVO. So many great ST players.

CO_Andy · Oct 28, 2018

Canada Cup was a real blow up

enjoyed all the classic games that were played otherwise, and with so many Japanese players i didn't recognize

Kadey · Oct 28, 2018

Why isn't there an English stream for SFV top 8. This is beyond a blow up.

Moara · Oct 28, 2018

Kadey said:
Why isn't there an English stream for SFV top 8. This is beyond a blow up.

There wasn't a stream at all for MOST of top 8

Tizoc · Oct 29, 2018

Kaguya · Oct 29, 2018

Tizoc said:
1 Hour of Daemon Bride
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlvKaYTMkEk

Not sure if this is 1 hour of the same two players playing each others or the game only having two viable characters.

Tizoc · Oct 29, 2018

Kaguya said:
Not sure if this is 1 hour of the same two players playing each others or the game only having two viable characters.

*Flashbacks to SF3 3S matches of Yun Kun and Chun*

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