Why does it have to be one or the other though? I always liked Tifa because of her character, that she was a martial artist and yes all aspects of her classic design.
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Final Fantasy VII Remake - First look at Tifa
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Why does it have to be one or the other though? I always liked Tifa because of her character, that she was a martial artist and yes all aspects of her classic design.
Kingsglaive Luna looked so much better than the in-game version:
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I'm glad SE is finally starting to use different faces and bone structures for their female characters, most prominently seen with Aerith in this remake. In the PS3/PS4 era all their female characters had the same face. Hell, even FMV Lara Croft looked like the typical FF heroine.
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I'm glad SE is finally starting to use different faces and bone structures for their female characters, most prominently seen with Aerith in this remake. In the PS3/PS4 era all their female characters had the same face. Hell, even FMV Lara Croft looked like the typical FF heroine.
Honestly, my biggest fear was them approaching her face and hair the same way she did in AC: she looks boring as fuck there in every aspect imo, but particularly those two (the face is too doll-like and not too stylized, whereas the hair is very flat, although I believe they did so in part due to the difficulty rendering it).
I think they've nailed her eyes (even the red colour!) and her heart-shaped head (it's weird, because the other character have that too due to the artstyle, but I've always related that to Tifa. I guess because it's a bit rounder in the concept art):
Then there's the hair, which is properly dolphin tail-shaped and has some volume to it (the only thing missing is that short spike on the lower right part of her face). It's got some sweet physics to it when she moves too (I couldn't find a better gif):
With regards to the body proportions, I think they're good. Would have liked some more definition, but I never expected it (I really like how, under the right light conditions, you can see some degree of abs definition).
When it comes to the outfit itself, my first reaction was that I didn't really like the black undershirt (I liked it that it extended her top, but the colour didn't do much to me). It didn't take long for me to turn around, though, I think it looks great and gives it a more striking look. Same for the leggings. The skirt being plated now is a great idea (similar to Aerith's dress being less tight and button-less) and they also, as expected, gave her shorts. This all gives her kind of like a sports-oriented look while also retaining the waitress theme she had.
Overall, another win in the character design/model department. It's insane to me how much they're nailing this after how much they fucked things over during the Compilation and other games (Dissidia, KH...), where even the artistic direction and style went to shit imo.
I think they've nailed her eyes (even the red colour!) and her heart-shaped head (it's weird, because the other character have that too due to the artstyle, but I've always related that to Tifa. I guess because it's a bit rounder in the concept art):
Then there's the hair, which is properly dolphin tail-shaped and has some volume to it (the only thing missing is that short spike on the lower right part of her face). It's got some sweet physics to it when she moves too (I couldn't find a better gif):
With regards to the body proportions, I think they're good. Would have liked some more definition, but I never expected it (I really like how, under the right light conditions, you can see some degree of abs definition).
When it comes to the outfit itself, my first reaction was that I didn't really like the black undershirt (I liked it that it extended her top, but the colour didn't do much to me). It didn't take long for me to turn around, though, I think it looks great and gives it a more striking look. Same for the leggings. The skirt being plated now is a great idea (similar to Aerith's dress being less tight and button-less) and they also, as expected, gave her shorts. This all gives her kind of like a sports-oriented look while also retaining the waitress theme she had.
Overall, another win in the character design/model department. It's insane to me how much they're nailing this after how much they fucked things over during the Compilation and other games (Dissidia, KH...), where even the artistic direction and style went to shit imo.
I'm sure some people did but, I would have even been fine with Advent Children Tifa. I still wanted to see what she was gonna look like more than anyone else. We all knew Sephiroth's design wasn't gonna change much. I saw just as much speculation about Cloud before we saw him too. His and Tifa's designs are always all over the place
I too loved the slap fight back in the day, found it a hilarious juxtaposition to all the chaos happening at the time (and an end to the build-up of running all the way to the end of the cannon).
That said, I can totally see it becoming a full-on major boss battle instead.
That said, I can totally see it becoming a full-on major boss battle instead.
These three shots (and also the one inside the train) were super badass.
Maybe the difficulty of the fight will be to avoid falling off the canon and getting an instant Game Over (it would be better than invisible walls IMO).
I think horny dude gamers definitely played a part in that, but at the same time, they didn't show Tifa at all for a while. They showed off Cloud and Barret a ton, we got to see Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge, and they even released stuff about Aerith, but nothing about Tifa at all (even with the symphony trailer that showed Sephiroth). Plus, I get the sense that people don't like Red XIII quite as much as they do Tifa, whether it's because boobs or lady or more characterization, haha
I was looking at the image of Cloud and Tifa side by side and was wondering about the height of the characters. Cloud is supposed to be 5'7 and the girls around 5'5 but then Barret should be 6'4 and he doesn't exactly seem that much taller than Cloud. Neither does Sephiroth. I get it nobody likes short people in their media but its kinda part of Cloud's personality to have been a short kid and unable to save Tifa when they were young and eventually looking up to the almighty strong tall Sephiroth and wanting to join SOLDIER.
They probably changed the heights for aesthetical and gameplay purposes
As someone who likes Tifa both for her Sex Appeal and Character; I feel its theoretically fine to be disappointed in... well just about any design really. What I think is really fucked is the sense of entitlement some guys have, that her tits HAVE to be giant or else SE is caving to "SJWs" and "Censorship".
You don't 'own' Tifa; Tifa isn't yours. Your view on her isn't the one that exusively matters. If you want Tifa with breasts larger than her head there are plenty of hentau artists willing to meet that need.
You don't 'own' Tifa; Tifa isn't yours. Your view on her isn't the one that exusively matters. If you want Tifa with breasts larger than her head there are plenty of hentau artists willing to meet that need.
Technically, 4chan is the English 2chan. But yeah, they're both trash. Out of the two, however, I think 4chan is definitely worse than 2chan.
My understanding is it depends on the board; some are apparently decent enough.
Well, as long as you stay away from pol, which is a cesspool of bigots, white-supremacists and mysogonists.
My Tifa fanart :) i watched the trailer so so often to find all the details like the skulls on her skirt.
Nice job!
We have a separate thread for fan-art, btw: https://www.resetera.com/threads/fi...an-art-following-for-the-last-20-years.23777/
I have to say, I'm pretty impressed how many new fan-arts I'm seeing following the reveal that aren't going overboard in the usual proportions. Of course I've seen quite a few of the latter as well, but those works now look especially silly.
Seeing how many female fans adore the character only further proves how important it was for Square to market the cast of FFVII for a more global audience, and not the basement-dwelling otaku.
Massive win here.
The next character for Dissidia NT will be revealed on June 25th. It seems all but certain that Tifa will be the next announced character.
Already ran into a couple of replies hoping it'll be OG Tifa and not "Censored Tifa". It does make me curious if they'll jump right into the Remake design as the new default...either way both outfits should be available.
But it also has me slightly concerned if they'll have a repeat of Dissidia 012 and go back to jiggle physics and pantyshots. With Remake Tifa getting a whole lot of positive attention, it would be a pretty bad look if they immediately followed up with a more pandering take.
I wouldn't mind this if she was a guest character in DOA, since it's the express tone of that game and everyone is knee-deep in tiddy costumes and soft engine physics. But if Dissidia excludes Tifa as the only fanservice character again, it would be pretty unfortunate (and would only spark further dumbass discourse from people).
Already ran into a couple of replies hoping it'll be OG Tifa and not "Censored Tifa". It does make me curious if they'll jump right into the Remake design as the new default...either way both outfits should be available.
But it also has me slightly concerned if they'll have a repeat of Dissidia 012 and go back to jiggle physics and pantyshots. With Remake Tifa getting a whole lot of positive attention, it would be a pretty bad look if they immediately followed up with a more pandering take.
I wouldn't mind this if she was a guest character in DOA, since it's the express tone of that game and everyone is knee-deep in tiddy costumes and soft engine physics. But if Dissidia excludes Tifa as the only fanservice character again, it would be pretty unfortunate (and would only spark further dumbass discourse from people).
Why does it seem like a lot of the fanbase likes Tifa without realizing that she's a good character for being a strong female? Tifa's not a tit ninja.
Meanwhile Tifa's this great character that's immediately reduced to one thing. As I said I'd love Tifa if she had A cups. She's just a good person that cares about the safety of her team, plus she's bad ass.
Once she did this:
I immediately loved her, nothing but style and power in this gif. I also really liked how they added the thigh high socks, she actually looks very awkward without them.
I still can't get over the fact they gave her the "absolute territory". My least favourite design trope in japanese media and already way too prevalent. It's a shame because otherwise the design is pretty much perfect.
Good lord this woman looks like someone is possessing her and trying to make her snap her own neck for a few moments there lmao
Seeing art that puts them all side by side, this new one is the best of the three Tifa designs
Years of being weaned on reaction videos and knowing you're filming yourself for a reaction video. Even if you're excited to see a character you like, there's an element of playing it up for the camera that people have just internalized and do on reflex.
I could chalk it up to a few things:
1. She's popular on a mainstream level. This is why whenever a new Pokemon character shows up (human or pokemon) you'll get an instant wave of fan-art, much of it being the NSFW kind.
2. She was conveniently revealed around the same time that public internet usage became more widespread. It wouldn't be a stretch to believe she was one of the very first characters to expose people to the world of hentai.
3. The FMVs. The fan-art would have most likely happened either way, but lots of people pointed to those FMVs as "canonical" to her cup size, completely ignoring the fact that it was early CG and that any evolution in artstyle and visuals guaranteed she'd HAVE to look different for the sake of proportions.
4. It was the late 90's, and the emphasis on big titty marketing was prevalent virtually everywhere. Even though Square never really objectified the character the same way Playstation marketed Lara Croft's tits and the woman attached to them, Tifa was considered another assembly line booby character to many.
All of this wouldn't be a problem except for the massive entitlement complex a lot of "fans" (let's face it, odds are many of the complainers never even touched FFVII) have regarding the character's assets. It's one thing collecting big tiddy Pokemon fan-art, but I don't see anyone from that fanbase going into a rant when one of those characters shows up in a new game and doesn't have the same proportions as their saved DA/Booru collection.
This is why it was so necessary that Tifa got the proper treatment for the Remake, and why the overwhelming positive reception (and modest fan-art!) is really encouraging.
Nice!My Tifa fanart :) i watched the trailer so so often to find all the details like the skulls on her skirt.
And the funny thing is the big titty fan art really doesn't even artistically look nice. The FMV's also look badly dated so people clinging to that to draw an agile fighting character around makes no sense. No wonder why I hate the "entitlement" portion of every fan base. How much Pokemon based porn is there? I know Gardevoir is a thing, but I've never really looked for that stuff.
As someone who doesn't venture down that Scorbunny hole (I mean if it's your thing....), trust me you don't want to know.
The fan-art is fine if you need to get your rocks off, but I've been seeing some artists swap out the new design to their tastes (like removing the skorts for underwear), and it just looks awful.
Come on, you're telling me you can't make it work with a sports bra and thigh highs?
I actually do prefer her redesign over the classic one since the older one with modern graphics really makes it look like she barely dresses, it's too skimpy. I like good fan art as long as it seems true to the character. I like some lewd stuff, but not a lot of the big busty woman stuff...especially if it just looks like they're just drawing a different face over a template.
I wonder if this is indicating that she'll get more muscle tone in the final release.
I don't really see the abs that people keep mentioning, but it's still heartening to read that their number one priority was making her look athletic.
Same about making sure her chest didn't look ridiculous. I wonder if they were looking at specific character models (the FMVs had to have come up) or just collecting all her looks from previous games.
I'm kind of surprised Square even has an ethics department.
I think they kinda have to for ass covering purposes.
My reading, or hope I guess, is that the Ethics department was simply involved from the beginning of her character creation with an outline of aspects theyd want to hit, and not that the team wanted jiggle physics but got veto'd. I wanna believe Nomura has the right head in the game.
In any case, the ethics department must have been created after FFXV right? There's no way such an entity would approve of Cidney
Unsurprisingly, this is still a topic:
Much as I enjoy the "too small" squad being taken to task over how sports bras work and the like, I hope this doesn't continue on with people wondering about the fictional character's actual cup size or the suggestion that her rack would explode like two Mazinger missiles the second she takes the sports bra off.
Just because they gave her a more realistic attire doesn't mean she's "realistic". I look at the visual style of FFVII Remake and equate it to "Jump Force, Just Right": that experimental line between hyper realism but still unrealistically anime.
Devil May Cry V is a unique case because it's using real actors and mo-capped costumes, but the tone and action is still very much anime. It's basically what a proper Hollywood director would do with a live action DMC.
I assume for FFVII R that only the animations are mo-capped, but not the faces and proportions. That's why everyone is so uncannily pretty, because they aren't trying to simulate real actors, just "realistic" anime.
In short, Tifa falls into that unrealistic valley of buxom superheroines like the type you see in most anime and comics. The difference here is that they made the proper adjustments so that her chest was not the center of attention regarding the character to the point that it was distracting, as was the case in previous interpretations.
So it's a little disheartening that the change is making people talk about her chest more, be it from angry fan-art collectors or clickbait headlines. The discourse is entirely unsurprising, and again it's good that the overwhelming majority are positive about the changes.
I just really don't want Tifa's Tits to be a constant point of conversation for another decade. Square has plainly established they don't want her chest to be the defining feature of the character. If only everyone else could just follow along.
Much as I enjoy the "too small" squad being taken to task over how sports bras work and the like, I hope this doesn't continue on with people wondering about the fictional character's actual cup size or the suggestion that her rack would explode like two Mazinger missiles the second she takes the sports bra off.
Just because they gave her a more realistic attire doesn't mean she's "realistic". I look at the visual style of FFVII Remake and equate it to "Jump Force, Just Right": that experimental line between hyper realism but still unrealistically anime.
Devil May Cry V is a unique case because it's using real actors and mo-capped costumes, but the tone and action is still very much anime. It's basically what a proper Hollywood director would do with a live action DMC.
I assume for FFVII R that only the animations are mo-capped, but not the faces and proportions. That's why everyone is so uncannily pretty, because they aren't trying to simulate real actors, just "realistic" anime.
In short, Tifa falls into that unrealistic valley of buxom superheroines like the type you see in most anime and comics. The difference here is that they made the proper adjustments so that her chest was not the center of attention regarding the character to the point that it was distracting, as was the case in previous interpretations.
So it's a little disheartening that the change is making people talk about her chest more, be it from angry fan-art collectors or clickbait headlines. The discourse is entirely unsurprising, and again it's good that the overwhelming majority are positive about the changes.
I just really don't want Tifa's Tits to be a constant point of conversation for another decade. Square has plainly established they don't want her chest to be the defining feature of the character. If only everyone else could just follow along.
Thats on SE though. There wouldn't have been any more talk than usual if she just had the white shirt but SE basically made it a topic by considering her chest a concern and now that this concern is the reason why the sports bra even ended up being part of the new design why would you expect there to be less talk?
Things changed from "this is simply the design Nomura had in mind when he thought about how she should look" to "this is the design he ended up with based on the restrictions he was told"
Good thing is it doesn't seem this was rating related so the chance of a FF7 that in other aspects doesn't compromise on the darker, weirder elements to absolutely hit a certain rating is still alive
I bet none of the websites who ran with the wonky translation for clicks are gonna update their articles or issue a correction of some kind.
Heck it also sounds like the black top isn't even a sports bra. It's just an extra shirt, therefore no "secret giant titties" that some people are trying to justify their headcanon with.
I can only imagine what the responses will be when we see her Wall Market dress or any other garments. Like I said, none of this is remotely unexpected, but I had this faint hope that things would've quiet down so that we wouldn't get another two decades of titty talk. Shows my naivete.
Also, turns out the so-called "Ethics Department" is not the SJW bogeyman that some people on the internet thought it was.
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jesus christ, delete lolits time to start a petition to bring back old tifa!
sarcasm, ofc
*Gamers learn thing exists*
*Gamers don't understand why thing exists, worse, they assume it's meant to help out LBGT/POC/women in games*
*Gamers get angry*
Given these factors, why do so many devs really dislike the gaming community who is constantly holding the medium back because of their aggressive stupidity when it comes to common sense shit at the best of times and their horrible toxicity at the worst of times? 🤔
It's a full game on it's own don't worry, this remake is bigger than we think.
its time to start a petition to bring back old tifa!
sarcasm, ofc
I swear some people are going to pass this around legitimately pointing "That! Do it like that!"
I hope they add the old outfit as DLC but still keep the same curves she currently has. And still add skorts to avoid panty shots just to really enrage them.
They are nailing every characters designs in the Remake, including Tifa now.
All the characters are the best version of themselves here.
Don't understand why some are complaining?! They looks absolutely great!