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Final Fantasy VII Remake General Discussion Thread [Open Spoilers for Original FFVII ONLY please!]
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Multiple games is the only answer but I just don't see it taking 4 games. Probably the largest scale locations are going to be ones with lots of places that need to be explored. So that's places like Nibelheim, Gold Saucer and Cosmo Canyon. Places like Junon were just a street with shops in the original on the first visit. Kalm isn't necessarily important at all to reproduce in extremely high detail. It will of course take more work to make them look the same as they did, but it shouldn't require the work we are seeing from Midgar where we have entire new scenarios like running through the wreckage of the sector 7 collapse.
For me personally I would lose interest in a game that just ended in Nibelheim anyway. There would be zero major plot beats in that game other than the flashback at the start. The majority of the game would just be vignettes about different characters like Barett and Red with a fairly deadened pace when it came to the much more formative stuff. You need to start getting to things like temple of the ancients, gaia cliff, meteor summon etc relatively more quickly than that.
The Midgar section is a bit easier cause it has quite a few big events clustered together that you can hinge a narrative off of. The rest of disc 1 is much too slow until the very end (post Rocket Town)
Makes the most sense for resources and each game would be different .
I guess
2: Shinra's world. Main two continents, maybe a new battle at rocket town with Shinra coming up mount Nibel and Sephiroth's ghost/Vincent showing up .That could be really epic. Ending: tiny bronco being fixed whilst fireworks at gold saucer date. Maybe post credits Cait Sith meets up with turks. New permanent characters: Yuffie and Red XIII
3: The Old World. Open world with boat. A new intro where you visit Wutai following the turks for information about Cait Sith's betrayal. Themes and locations: Loads of natural areas, including the forest mountains of Wutai, the shores of Midel, the ruins of the ancients and the snowy mountains of the northern continent. Maybe some Easter egg/areas from Crisis Core's war. New permanent characters: Cid and Vincent.
4: Full world. Airship and underwater, and loads and loads of action set pieces and big Weapon fight. Proper side quests for all the ultimate weapons.
What I was thinking with my mock up covers, Tifa in Nibelheim (where it begins and ends), part 3 Aeris 'finale' and the lore of the ancients, part 4 Sephiroth time.
Junon's appearance in the original game means nothing - they could get away with making it a long street when they were just working with flat isometric backgrounds, they can't do it with a 1:1 environment with full camera control. It's a huge city, that's the reality of the story - it's supposed to be second only to Midgar in size. Obviously that doesn't mean it'll be the size of Part 1 or anything, but it will need to be at least as big and detailed as Lestallum or Altissia, and they'll have to add more exploration to justify that. And hell, it's not just that they have to - their discussion of how they want to do this remake heavily indicates its exactly what they want to do. They won't want the player to travel to the second biggest city in the game, match down one street and leave.
And this is why I wrote earlier that they would need to expand the story in ways that make them work better as individual parts, like having more fights with Shinra and Jenova and expanding Cosmo Canyon into a major climax. Altering and expanding the story in that way is a challenge, sure, but not as insurmountable as having to make all these different locations in one game.
I also think there will be more than 3 parts. The game length of the remake will neither be based on script alone nor on distances/dimensions covered, but probably whichever is "bigger." Midgar has 1/3 of the script but the dimensions are smaller, once you get out of Midgar you have to fill in all that space, as it becomes the dominant factor determining game length.
The thing is ultimately this is a story mostly set in stone and the parts that are malleable aren't generally the world changing bits like meteor, or weapon or Aeris. So a lot of this proposed 'expanding' could eventually become tedious if they justify a longer stay in Cosmo Canyon and other places just by having extra fights with Shinra and Jenova all the time.
This is why I don't agree that everything just needs to be bigger, outside of fully realising it in 3D. Ultimately it could lead to an MCU-ificiation where each chapter just feels kind of insignificant after a while. Especially the second one.
The reason Midgar will probably work is the fact that it is apparently one third of the script and there's very little downtime between different story beats. You can stretch that out and make it feel fuller. But the rest of disc 1 isn't like that at all.
Some expansion is needed and some of the choices they are making now seem good, like the sector 7 aftermath being an actual thing in this game. But too much and the narrative will just feel slack and uninteresting.
If they choose to invest big in a place like Junon in part 2 they might want to consider bring forward something like the huge materia stuff, even before meteor. They hint at it in Gongaga in the original so that's not a major change. Also that's the one part of the original FFVII that felt badly paced anyway so introducing it earlier would be an improvement
Around Rocket Town/mount Nibel could be a good made up climax because all the major players can meet there, your team, Cid/Vincent/Shinra/Rufus and ghost Sephiroth. Mount Nibel is also large and creepy enough to be a final level, and you hold up Shinra coming up the mountain.
Cid tries to get his airship back from some loyalist in Rocket town tries to steal his airship for Rufus. You defeat Shinra on the cliff but then ghost Sephiroth shows up, starts fucking everyone up and Vincent finally decides to awaken, and help you jump off the cliff onto the tiny bronco. Then Having the bronco crash near the gold saucer and having the date as an ending would be nice, the calm before the storm of episode 3 and very bittersweet knowing what happens to Cloud and Aeris in the next chapter.
Part 3 or 2 might end up with some really dark credits music after Sephiroth 'wins' and Cloud falls into the lifestream. Seeing Diamond/Sapphire/Ultimate Weapon fly into the sky with meteor above them would be a great final shot. Empire strikes back or infinity war.
While going into the advent children story in part 4 then finishing off the dirge of Cerberus cliff hanger
Makes the most sense for resources and each game would be different .
I guess
2: Shinra's world. Main two continents, maybe a new battle at rocket town with Shinra coming up mount Nibel and Sephiroth's ghost/Vincent showing up .That could be really epic. Ending: tiny bronco being fixed whilst fireworks at gold saucer date. Maybe post credits Cait Sith meets up with turks. New permanent characters: Yuffie and Red XIII
3: The Old World. Open world with boat. A new intro where you visit Wutai following the turks for information about Cait Sith's betrayal. Themes and locations: Loads of natural areas, including the forest mountains of Wutai, the shores of Midel, the ruins of the ancients and the snowy mountains of the northern continent. Maybe some Easter egg/areas from Crisis Core's war. New permanent characters: Cid and Vincent.
4: Full world. Airship and underwater, and loads and loads of action set pieces and big Weapon fight. Proper side quests for all the ultimate weapons.
What I was thinking with my mock up covers, Tifa in Nibelheim (where it begins and ends), part 3 Aeris 'finale' and the lore of the ancients, part 4 Sephiroth time.
I wonder if "Hollow" will also play as the main theme for the other games. I assume it'll be the credits song for this one.
The ESB and the IW comparison is pretty good. Depending on when they end things, we're bound to have some downer, ominous endings.
Very doubtful imo. If it's three games, I can't see them taking less than 2.5/3 years to develop them (and even then). If it's four, maybe 2 years, but still.
Things will hopefully progress more smoothly now that there's a big starting point with the first game (many assets, animations, game systems...), but we have to consider just how massive and different the world outside Midgar should be (so, many new assets), how much is left in terms of content and how there should be five more playable characters (plus the overhauling of previously playable characters, as they're bound to have new abilities and so).
Very interested to see how this unfolds, especially since Remake 2 will surely be a next-gen exclusive game.
Doubt it, but maybe if they really, really have a good development pipeline.
I did a quick comparison of Unique-ish areas and set pieces between Midgar and the Search for Sephiroth arc in VII. Obviously, I expect the portions from Midgar to be expanded in length to more closer match the pacing of the rest of the story, but just in terms of locations and events:
Sector 1 Reactor - Sector 7 - Sector 5 Reactor - Aerith Church/Escape from Turks - Sector 5 - Aerith's House - Wall Market - Don Corneo - The Sewers - The Train Graveyard - The Sector 7 Plate - Shinra Tower - Escape from Midgar
Kalm - Nibelheim Memory - Chocobo Farm - Mythril Mines - Lower Junon - Upper Junon - Junon Boat - Costa Del Sol - Mt. Corel - The Gold Saucer - Corel Prison - Cosmo Canyon - Nibelheim - Rocket Town - Return to Gold Saucer - Temple of the Ancients - Bone Village - City of the Ancients - Icicle Inn- Great Glacier - Northern Crater
There's definitely a lot more areas to create if you want to end the second part at the Northern Crater. 13 vs 22, by my count (19 if you only go up to Temple of the Ancients). And that's without factoring in any open field areas to connect them. I would expect some of it could be streamlined as well. Do we really need the Bone Village or the second Gold Saucer trip? I wouldn't be surprised if Lower Junon is cut as well, considering it's concept is essentially redundant with Midgar (lower class below, upper class high up).
Alternatively, they could end it at Nibelheim, but then I don't know where the rest of the series would be divided up, because the logical stopping point narratively for one of these is the Northern Crater, but I don't know if there's enough story content between Nibelheim and Northern Crater to justify a full release. I can see Midgar's story being expanded, but I can't see that section being padded out in the same way to make a satisfying arc.
I did and do think it's possible, but only if Square really has their asset development shit together, and only if they keep it relatively linear and focused. There's no way they'd get that many areas with a large open world. Hell I'm not sure they could have that many areas even with zoned travel.
(Bring back and modernize the world map, you cowards!)
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Not likely imo, even if it ends up with 3 parts. I am expecting 1 game per 3+ years tbh.
Max calling it gaming bliss has me excited already. I know he's a big fan, but, hey, so am I.
For new characters I would use Lucrecia who can only find peace when her son is stopped, "Jenova won't let me die... as punishment" I think she would be the most mind blowing new character as she have the most to say, like to Hojo and it'd give Vincent more story that he remains in the ending when she fades away. In the original she's just sealed in a cave as some ambigious spirit so I think I think it's an ok thing to elebarate on.
I don't want Square to release part two within two years.. that means they rushing this shit outta the door.
We ffvii hypebeasts the next (two) decade(s)..
We ffvii hypebeasts the next (two) decade(s)..
my gut feeling says fort condor, its on par with the first time you can get her. We know that wutai might have ties with avalanche now, and fort condor resistance would make sense to have ties with avalanche and wutai, so i think its possible that yuffie might get introduced there, i think they might make the phoenix materia already something everyone knows about fort condor and thats why yuffie is there too.
It is most likely. That's what they took between each sequel to FFX and FFXIII
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New Final Fantasy VII Remake screenshots showcase Red XIII, side-quests and more
See Tifa in action, take a tour of new Midgar locations, reacquaint yourself with an iconic weapon and meet new character Chadley
blog.eu.playstation.com
Some side questy stuff in here as well as new screenshots and renders
Folks, be careful about the newest Red XIII renders/New screenshots thread.
People are already haphazardly posting leak shit and not even spoiler tagging it.
People are already haphazardly posting leak shit and not even spoiler tagging it.
I feel like threads for this game are gonna kind of be a shitshow, between a lot of drive-bys and spoilers being posted.
8 more weeks. 8 more fackin' weeks! We can do this! We can make it! Stay strong!🦾
Think it's time to just stick to this thread and read related articles without going into those threads. We can make it!
Given the chapter based structure of this first game, I'm starting to wonder if we'll really have an "explorable" world at all in future installments. The screenshots we saw today show that the sidequests are divvied up between chapters, which leads me to believe that each "Chapter" will be its own instance. I'm sure some areas will be shared, but I think it's fair to assume that there will be some delineation between chapters.
If future installments keep that structure, it may be that each location in the original game is going to be a "chapter" in the later installments, rather than it all taking place in one contiguous world.
I'd actually be okay with that, given the sheer production values on display, but I imagine some people would be pretty disappointed if that's the case.
If future installments keep that structure, it may be that each location in the original game is going to be a "chapter" in the later installments, rather than it all taking place in one contiguous world.
I'd actually be okay with that, given the sheer production values on display, but I imagine some people would be pretty disappointed if that's the case.
Expecting a game of two halves with a hub area. First revolving around seventh heaven and then wall market. Main story missions will be fairly linear as seen on trailers, imo.
Would be nice to have some sort of postgame that's not Midgar. Like a Gran Pulse type location. Probably wont happen.
Would be nice to have some sort of postgame that's not Midgar. Like a Gran Pulse type location. Probably wont happen.
Do you think they'll continue the chapters in the next game from the number it ends on in part 1? Would be kind of cool to then see it all the way through at the end once it's all completed
Yeah, once this game finally comes out, hopefully people will get this shit out of their system and can STFU.
Buy or don't.
No one cares about your stupid takes anymore.
seems to be a few weeks away unfortunatley
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People complaining, saying they won't buy, will wait etc
will likely buy anyway. Especially the ones frequently posting who are too invested
But yeah hopefully after release peoples expectations for the future will be cemented, for better or worse and we can move on
Week of March 3rd (original launch date) would be my guess. the game should be going gold that week, they can drop impressions, maybe a gameplay trailer, and maybe even the demo.
Depending on how you split dynamic tracks, FF7R's OST is probably more tracks than the whole original.
One of the more impressive AAA game soundtracks, especially in number of tracks vs. length of the game.
The problem is more the same two people derailing every single FF7R thread for multiple pages than it is drive us.
I saw the playstation website overview of FF7 and I'm not liking what I'm seeing
Mercenary cookie cutter side quests like looking for a cat as an example
new materia put behind some kid that gives side quests
these are the last things I would want in a ff7
Mercenary cookie cutter side quests like looking for a cat as an example
new materia put behind some kid that gives side quests
these are the last things I would want in a ff7
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Makes the most sense for resources and each game would be different .
I guess
2: Shinra's world. Main two continents, maybe a new battle at rocket town with Shinra coming up mount Nibel and Sephiroth's ghost/Vincent showing up .That could be really epic. Ending: tiny bronco being fixed whilst fireworks at gold saucer date. Maybe post credits Cait Sith meets up with turks. New permanent characters: Yuffie and Red XIII
3: The Old World. Open world with boat. A new intro where you visit Wutai following the turks for information about Cait Sith's betrayal. Themes and locations: Loads of natural areas, including the forest mountains of Wutai, the shores of Midel, the ruins of the ancients and the snowy mountains of the northern continent. Maybe some Easter egg/areas from Crisis Core's war. New permanent characters: Cid and Vincent.
4: Full world. Airship and underwater, and loads and loads of action set pieces and big Weapon fight. Proper side quests for all the ultimate weapons.
What I was thinking with my mock up covers, Tifa in Nibelheim (where it begins and ends), part 3 Aeris 'finale' and the lore of the ancients, part 4 Sephiroth time.
Wait, wait. End the 2nd part at the Tin Bronco? How on earth would that work?
In the original, Rufus and Shinra are trying to steal the tiny bronco and it's shot down. This is the last main location in the west continent. You can have a new last boss here whether it's Rufus or Sephiroth's ghost. Now if you can get to control it in part 3 they can build all the areas you can access with it.
Part 2's ending could be the golden saucer's date which is really bittersweet knowing Aeris will die half way through the next part, and the tiny bronco is being converted by Cid.
I imagine have it so in part 3, a brief time skip and the first stages is Wutai (mow massive) following the trail of the turks/Cait Sith and when you leave, you then control it as a boat and Cid has made it sailable in between games.
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