Final Fantasy VII Remake: Some fans are mad because Barret "looks white"

RedWolfe

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Dec 4, 2017
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This reeks of non-black people feeling that they need to be enraged for black people because Barrett doesn't fit their stereotypical view of what a black person should look like.

It's actually quite ironic.
 

Terraforce

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Oct 27, 2017
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Not this again. Are these topics going to be weekly until we get definitive proof that he is not?
 

Unkindled

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Nov 27, 2018
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FF7:Remake was a mistake. If people are nitpicking of this then I hope they don't release the game fan's just don't deserve it.
 

Ragnorok64

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Nov 6, 2017
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How do people creating media have the energy to put up with all this.

In the short amount of time since that trailer dropped we've had threads with complaints that Barret sounds too "stereotypically black", Aeris' face is too long, and now Barret's face isn't black enough?

Are people actually complaining more or are people complaining as much as they usually do and it's just getting signal boosted more by outlets needing click? I can't imagine the majority of normal people actually care about any of these things.
 

Pyro

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Jul 30, 2018
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I’ve seen this come up before and I’m with everyone saying it’s just the lighting. And honestly I don’t know how one couldn’t see that.
 

MetalBoi

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Dec 21, 2017
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At what point do we stop giving attention to petty insinuations and focus on more serious infractions?
 

BocoDragon

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Oct 26, 2017
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This must be one of those debates about skin lightness and curliness of hair that us whites will never ever understand.
 

muteKi

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Oct 22, 2018
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I think it might actually be a similar situation to the infamous dress:
Yeah I think part of the issue here is that since it's probably at nighttime the overall diffuse lighting is pretty dim but there are lots of extreme sources. So it's easy to read as almost like both cases at once.

This kind of does actually happen though, because colorism is a thing. Mental Floss definitely got, as they say, some side-eye for how much they lightened (since-disgraced sex pest) Neil Tyson for one of their covers for that reason, since it seems like it's meant to try to make him look more appealing.



It's like dude's skin is a source of fusion there's so much light coming off it
 

DangerMouse

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Oct 25, 2017
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Not every tiny group of bad takes on Twitter need to be turned into the faux outrage du jour.
This.

People need to wait until we get an official render or a shot where the lighting source isn't coming from every fucking angle before making an outcry about this.
Agreed. Especially when there's so many lights hitting him there at once including that really bright light from the front.
Not to mention it's not like we haven't gotten continuous art updates of these characters and that has never happened to Barret so I don't expect it to now, especially when they've clearly been trying to make the characters very fitting to their art so far in this mixed anime/realistic style.

Also especially since we can see how extra bright Cloud's face is too right there thanks to the light burst from the attack going off.
 

Soprano

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Oct 28, 2017
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All black people don't look the same. Not every black person is dark skin.

This reeks of non-black people feeling that they need to be enraged for black people because Barrett doesn't fit their stereotypical view of what a black person should look like.

It's actually quite ironic.
Yeah this.
 

liquidtmd

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wait until Honey Bee Inn is (included/not included) and different groups become upset.
Oh.

Oh god

Front page of Era is gonna be stacked wall to wall

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, I'm out

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is out, I'm out

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, but it's not racy enough they toned it down

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, oh my god my eyes

Final Fantasy VII Remake: IT'S ALL OFFENSIVE FUCK SQUARE

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee Inn, I want to choose my own underwear, they should do DLC
 

Lukemia SL

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Jan 30, 2018
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It’s lighting lol, reminds me of when people thought Thanos was pink which was just the result of the lighting on Titan.
 

Ragnorok64

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Nov 6, 2017
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...This kind of does actually happen though, because colorism is a thing. Mental Floss definitely got, as they say, some side-eye for how much they lightened (since-disgraced sex pest) Neil Tyson for one of their covers for that reason, since it seems like it's meant to try to make him look more appealing.



It's like dude's skin is a source of fusion there's so much light coming off it
On a side note, I thought PBS investigated the Degrasse Tyson allegations and cleared him to return to air? Is he still "disgraced"?
 

RedSwirl

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Oct 25, 2017
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This reeks of non-black people feeling that they need to be enraged for black people because Barrett doesn't fit their stereotypical view of what a black person should look like.

It's actually quite ironic.
Yeah this about sums it up. I've seen black people who (generally) look like Barrett.
 

DC5remy

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Jan 20, 2018
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Oh the internet.

I swear there are groups that get mad about anything. We need to stop giving the attention.
 

muteKi

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Oct 22, 2018
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On a side note, I thought PBS investigated the Degrasse Tyson allegations and cleared him to return to air? Is he still "disgraced"?
I mean if you gave me time to look up some of the old discussion threads I could definitely find some clips of him behaving in a manner consistent with what accusations claimed about him. That said, Fox and NatGeo have allowed him to return to the shows. I can't find anything on PBS, and I think the planetarium might still be investigating?
 

goldenpp73

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Dec 5, 2017
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i wonder if white people think black peoples skin doesn't also change in tone when explosions are around them.
 

CG Amor

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Oct 30, 2017
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By that logic you can start calling a lot of people not black enough or black. Its absurd, there is a variety of of skin colors and features among black people.

However, saying you would like Barret to have less European features or that you prefer to see him be darker with certain features that you feel represent your view of him better is totally fine. I would prefer to see him darker and have less mixed features. It seems that black people are typically designed as lighter skinned and mixed in games, and it would be a nice deviation to not do this.
 

Ragnorok64

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Nov 6, 2017
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I mean if you gave me time to look up some of the old discussion threads I could definitely find some clips of him behaving in a manner consistent with what accusations claimed about him. That said, Fox and NatGeo have allowed him to return to the shows. I can't find anything on PBS, and I think the planetarium might still be investigating?
Fox and NatGeo is likely what I was thinking of, I wasn't certain of what network he worked for.
 

Slacker247

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why's his hair gotta be white washed. What if Barret is Asian (brown) now, you feel me?


Dude looks black. The voice acting is crap, but that's for every character. God knows why. FFXII was their one hit wonder.
 

8byte

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Oct 28, 2017
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His hair is really the only thing that feels off about his character model. That, and the fact that his glasses don't cast a shadow on his face at all.
 

AztecComplex

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Oct 25, 2017
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Did you really make a thread off a handful of people on twitter with like 5 likes each?

This is YouTube tier.
No we don’t and yet here we are. All those tweets combined barely scratch 20 likes.

Let’s not make a mountain out of a molehill over a few seconds of footage by giving these complainers a megaphone.
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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Twitter was a mistake. People who can’t understand basic principles of lighting is the reason why stuff like the black/blue white/gold dress was a thing back then
 

Audioboxer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ugh, people do realise that not every black person has a skin colour identical to every other black person?

It's quite funny that it actually becomes rather racist and/or at best ignorant that some people expect every depiction of a black person to be some sort of "black face" resemblance.

"Hey, this character isn't as black as shoe polish, this means they are basically white!".

There is nothing wrong with Barret's skin colour and the screens cherry-picked to throw this idiotic crusade around are conveniently those which involve gunfire flash.

But, please continue signal boosting idiots on Twitter.
 

Razorrin

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Nov 7, 2017
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Oh.

Oh god

Front page of Era is gonna be stacked wall to wall

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, I'm out

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is out, I'm out

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, but it's not racy enough they toned it down

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee is in, oh my god my eyes

Final Fantasy VII Remake: IT'S ALL OFFENSIVE FUCK SQUARE

Final Fantasy VII Remake: Honey Bee Inn, I want to choose my own underwear, they should do DLC
There is so much to talk about... Honey Bee Inn is just the iceberg.

I want Gifs of Cloud, Tifa, and Aerith threatening Non-Con muti-play with Don Corneo.

I want to see how nuts people go over Cowboy Tourism Tifa.

Cid giving Shera the buisness minutes before Heidigger gets hit by a truck.

Zack doing squats in the back of a pickup truck, arguing with the driver.

But most of all, endless Gifs of Cait Sith.

Oh, also Spooky Square.
 

AztecComplex

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Oct 25, 2017
10,213
This reeks of non-black people feeling that they need to be enraged for black people because Barrett doesn't fit their stereotypical view of what a black person should look like.

It's actually quite ironic.
It also reminds me a lot of all the white people feeling they needed to be enraged for Mexican people because Mario wore a poncho and a sombrero in Super Mario Odyssey (something something “cultural appropriation”) when in reality we didn’t mind at all and even embraced seeing Mario in a sombrero.

Mario looked cute af as far as I’m concerned and as a Mexican I honestly didn’t give a damn.
 
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