It's not less than 20h almost certainly given what we know, but no we don't know the definitive length.
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It's not less than 20h almost certainly given what we know, but no we don't know the definitive length.
Quoting this. Apparently you can return. So nothing to worry.
Also after playing some extra hours. I am liking it much more. The amount of detail in the environments but also in the stuff you can do is huge. Everywhere you look someone is doing something that can easily be missed. The environments really feel alive.
According to the person currently playing through an early release who's releasing this new info, they estimate at least over 25 hours. They've played much of the side-content but not all of it. We'll see how it pans out.
I've been quite curious how data transfer may work. Ideally I'd have liked something like say the .hack games where you had specific level caps for each installment and pretty much everything got carried over.
That could be unlikely given the difference in complexity though if they could have some way to just read your selected save file and pull specific data. I hope at least some of it comes over. Curious what the max level cap by the end. I could see it going beyond 100.
One thing I've been curious about since the demo is whether the voice comes up in Cloud's head at all. It stood out to me that when he went to set the bomb in the demo they just did the Sephiroth tease.
That could be unlikely given the difference in complexity though if they could have some way to just read your selected save file and pull specific data. I hope at least some of it comes over. Curious what the max level cap by the end. I could see it going beyond 100.
One thing I've been curious about since the demo is whether the voice comes up in Cloud's head at all. It stood out to me that when he went to set the bomb in the demo they just did the Sephiroth tease.
People may complain, and there's a whole debate to be had about their right to complain depending on the game content, but right now we just don't know enough. I'd say no one should complain about length until having a full time with the game and assessing based on their own playstyles.
I expect that I'll dump at least 40 hours into it just maxing all the fight systems, playing on hard, and trying to unlock everything like I did with Crisis Core.
That being said depending on pacing the length could be arguable and/or a subject of discourse regarding future entries into this saga.
Lots of reasons. None of which are worth going into too much at this early in the game and without enough people having copies to assess, but there's a large conversation to be had about the fact that Midgar is being sold on its own and has been debated to death in most threads. A lot of us just aren't jumping the gun until we see the proper extent of the game. Length itself may not matter, but it could set the tone and pace of future entries following Midgar.
Of note, and I hope I linked that properly as I've never linked anything to Reddit before in my life, the person playing the game has stated that they haven't actually done any side quests since Chapter 3. This was in response to someone inquiring as to whether or not they're doing lots of them.
lol they rushing to get this demo out the gates before fiscal year and next gen, you ain't getting perfect shit. just like they keeping the FF7/FF13 tight corridors
It is not a demo. I know you want this to flop but it is not gonna happen.
Having Sephiroth pop up every 15 minutes to twirl a moustache and taunt Cloud doesn't tell a better story or make Sephiroth a better character. It's honestly just bad writing. He shouldn't be involved in this small-scale stuff in the prologue, and constantly reminding the player he exists is just dumb. We're not going to forget about him.
I'd argue it really cheapens his presence entirely. Whenever he showed up it was an event. Now, it's not aside from nostalgia hitting you initially.
Didn't see this because you didn't quote me but I don't know. I think doing Choco Ranch, Mines, Junon, Boat would be a sizeable chunk to turn into a game, based on them stretching out Midgar but it's going to make the rest of the game's parts uh...take a long time and a lot of purchases to actually get to the end. We have no idea what to go off of at this point as this is kind of new grounds in terms of gaming/remakes/media. This isn't an adaptation of a multi part novel story or something, it's elongating a single thing into many smaller things. And people will have the right to discuss the merits of that approach after getting hands on with it or more varied responses versus us all speculating in spoilers.
We'll have to see how it's paced. With screenshots it's easy to go "he's everywhere" but who knows maybe in the final game it's a lot of time inbetween. I just know chapter 2 and 3 had a bit too much for my liking.
To me though it definitely does, because I believe having him part 1 is to "show him off" and/or "bank on his presence" doesn't equate to having to have him in every chapter constantly, but we'll see.
Things like the Chapter 2 scene would have worked if you just chased him and then it turned normal, or if you chased him and said you're dead and then he goes "am I" and then disappearing, but instead he's overstaying his welcome to get all Xehanort-y and it kills the vibe when Cloud just brushes his hair and goes "must be the mako fumes, I got this."
There's obvious meta implications for new players of throwing all the reveals into question about Clouds past but I'd argue at this point with the compilation they don't care about that right now. The big thing about the Jenova projections (since that's what I believe they are) is that it's a really weird approach to take to have him just...always there. It also kind of cheapens Shinra as an antagonist because even if they're the main bad guys of Part 1 the "real" bad guy is always talking to Cloud, making the Shinra thing kinda feel side content-y. But we'll see.
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Why aren't they facing the other way around? Wouldn't it be much safer?
Perhaps they look back and forth. Nitpick much? This is what you're worried about?
If I can get a good 30-40 hours out of this game I'll be happy. Between Nioh 2 and Persona 5 Royal, I'd love to play an RPG that isn't going to take me 100+ hours to finish.
From the screeenshots, I love the scale of Midgar's pillar and the plate above. Gorgeous. Aerith's home looks stunning, too. As far as menial tasks go, I am completely okay with picking flowers for Aerith!
re: Sephiroth, because the original game is being restructured into multiple parts, I understand that we do need to see him in the first game where we wouldn't otherwise, and establish him firmly as a threat going forward.
...that being said, I think Sephiroth showing up and terrorizing Cloud before Cloud even meets Aerith for the first time is a bit of a freakin' overkill. Sephiroth is also in the scene where Cloud meets Aerith, if I remember Max's Chapter 2 summary correctly.
At any rate, it's hard not to have bias on the subject due to playing the original, so I'm curious to see how newcomers react to Sephiroth. My concern is that Sephiroth in FFVIIR will end up the way of the Kingdom Hearts villains from KH2 onwards, who show up just to talk at Sora and grind the momentum of the plot to a complete halt. It's not intimidating, it's tedious. I thought Ansem in KH1 and Old Xehanort in BBS were used well, but all the other antagonists in the KH franchise ended up being downright irritating. (Don't get me started on Organization XIII.)
I guess I'd like my response to Sephiroth whilst playing FFVIIR to be 'oh, fuck, it's Sephiroth!' and not a bored reaction of:
KH1!Sephiroth put the fear of god into me as a kid, it'd be great to experience that terror once again. FFVIIR's new battle system makes the prospect even more interesting, too.
re: Sephiroth, because the original game is being restructured into multiple parts, I understand that we do need to see him in the first game where we wouldn't otherwise, and establish him firmly as a threat going forward.
...that being said, I think Sephiroth showing up and terrorizing Cloud before Cloud even meets Aerith for the first time is a bit of a freakin' overkill. Sephiroth is also in the scene where Cloud meets Aerith, if I remember Max's Chapter 2 summary correctly.
At any rate, it's hard not to have bias on the subject due to playing the original, so I'm curious to see how newcomers react to Sephiroth. My concern is that Sephiroth in FFVIIR will end up the way of the Kingdom Hearts villains from KH2 onwards, who show up just to talk at Sora and grind the momentum of the plot to a complete halt. It's not intimidating, it's tedious. I thought Ansem in KH1 and Old Xehanort in BBS were used well, but all the other antagonists in the KH franchise ended up being downright irritating. (Don't get me started on Organization XIII.)
I guess I'd like my response to Sephiroth whilst playing FFVIIR to be 'oh, fuck, it's Sephiroth!' and not a bored reaction of:
KH1!Sephiroth put the fear of god into me as a kid, it'd be great to experience that terror once again. FFVIIR's new battle system makes the prospect even more interesting, too.
No.. And with that narrow view, it's pretty obvious nostalgia is the one body slamming you here.
Actual presence is exhibited and strengthened by a character's inclusion and depiction in the story. It's their actual charisma or charm that draws in the audience and commands their full attention to their movement in a scene. It also builds on the narrative and is able to move it forward. Sephiroth's entire schtick in the OG was successful when it happened, but it led to several questions that existed for years, regarding who was actually in control, who was actually the one running things, and when was he actually ever physically present within the game. I know it must sound like sacrilege to hear that the OG had flaws that could be ameliorated or even fixed through a different adaption of it's story but. It's 2020 and the future is filled with possibilities.
If your only acceptable perception of a character is as a non-identifiable, almost environmental event, divorced from expansion or characterization that utilizes the vastly expanded medium, and afforded by the hardware of this gen.... You really aren't that interested in expansion or fleshing out of the story. Cool, that's fine. But don't pretend as if that's the only way a villain may be portrayed to protect their "presence." And it certainly doesn't make the audience lesser for wanting a villain that actually exhibits a personality and character.
If gradually eroding Cloud's confidence in his perception of reality while simultaneously leading him down the path of unknowingly becoming his thrall, makes Sephiroth somehow Snidley Whiplash to you, I have concerns about your perception of what makes a good story.
Sephiroth can't breathe without some reductionist, boomer-level take equating him to either an adaption crossover with Disney, or a cartoon from circa 1959. All while ignoring that if cringy dialogue really was the issue, they wouldn't have been able to stomach the awkward localization and JRPG dialogue that boldly and proudly exists within the OG they're so welded to.
Clearly, the only properly written villain for FFVII is the unseen, unheard, unknowable, and unfathomable existential angst that stems from a generation's inability to enjoy a character within a new adaption of a popular JRPG.
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The both I've saw today got ban.... pretty sure nobody take the risk right now....
There's a difference between gradual and CONSTANT. Having him show up every fifteen minutes to remind the player he exists doesn't make him effective, especially when he keeps saying dumb shit every time he pops up.
Use a villain sparingly and effectively, don't overuse him until his scenes become "oh, this fucker again" moments.
Played about 7 hours and I already died multiple times. So it certainly isn't too easy
Their over simplification and hyperbolization of anyone's critiques means there's no progress to be made there. I wouldn't waste my time.
....You know, you might be under the effects of time-compression if you equate a character's four scene appearances across 9 chapters over the span of 12 hours.... To every 15 minutes. Just a thought. Since that clearly couldn't be an over-simplification or hyberole.
Clearly, good villains are only used sparingly. They are shown very little, if ever. And they only exist as unfathomable eldritch abominations or evil overlords akin to disembodied eyes on a tower across the globe. A sensible and nuanced take on fictional characters.
6 Posts, only in this thread. Gotta wonder about the intent there. Oh well I guess we'll never know.
Anyone know any cool combos people have found with the materia combos yet?
Anyone know any cool combos people have found with the materia combos yet?
Some people think more hours filled with tedious fetch quest is what makes a game worth it.
I would rather they just cover more of the damn game than flood it with shitty fetch quests.
You weren't exactly being nice to people who have positive opinions about this earlier so please don't act like you're doing much better.
Man Xande and Cloud of Darkness should have shown up WAY more in my "favorite FF villain" thread.
They are a fresh account with terrible surface level reads of everyone's posts that are instigating people and over simplifying their critiques and doubling down on it.
They're not posting positive opinions, they're getting angry at anyone with a dissenting opinion. One of the biggest issues is that in every thread I can quote you several posts where I've been shit on directly or indirectly for daring to say anything critical of the game, so I have no qualms giving some of that back in kind. The difference being I have no problem being wrong and have more than one occasion apologized when it was warranted.
I have yet to have that shown to be warranted here.
I also have zero issue debating the merits of my statements and discussing them directly with people who show they're arguing in good faith. Again, something I'm not seeing from those posts. Thus I regret nothing.
I'm not sure how "ultimate DARKNESS" bosses sucking means Sephiroth should constantly show up and troll the player with empty statements like he's a member of Organization XIII.
Can't say that I personally find it pretty challenging (on normal) so far, but maybe I've grinded too much. I am over 10 hours in (very slow player here) and the only boss that gave me a semi-hard time was…
Reno.
I've no idea what I've to do to stagger him…
Anyways: If the game is hard, depends heavily on your play-style. I dodge a lot and even guard (usually not how I play) but it makes the game very manageable – I had no Game Over so far, but like I said… I am on the slower side of players, so I think others with 10 hours+ are farther into the game.
On the topic of Sephiroth: It's fine to have different opinions but why do people in this thread feel the need to put others down for liking one or the other? Personally I enjoy "more Sephiroth" a lot and I think the writing is more than fine. It's a video game, I don't expect there to be totally serious and reasonable conversations but the cheese.
It's a matter of taste and not who's right or wrong and it isn't shoehorned (but fleshing out a background story to keep players occupied in Episode 1) and it certainly isn't spoon feeding the story. If I didn't know FFVII originally, I still had no idea what is going on…
Of course I KNOW now what everything leads to but that is because I know the original story.
Not liking it is of course fine, some people like the story more veiled. I can understand that.
Combat sounds good. Looking forward to finding ways to break it. Are the abilities at 10 hours messy/too plentiful or is it still manageable? Any neat materia stuff you've found so far?
It's more the fact there barley there.
Thinking about it I should have said Yu Yevon and Necron.
With that description it's still doesn't sound like a cakewalk, which is fine for me ! From the Stream i've saw, the game don't look a pushover, i ever saw normal ennemies seem to have been buff compare to the demo, someone can valid that ?
Can't say I'm surprised but I'm pretty critical of stuff and can't remember anyone saying anything so...
I'm pretty sure there are lots of ways perfecting it! For example: Changing the characters! I do not change often and my "Main" is Cloud – with magic it's not necessary to change up to Barret for distance in my opinion! But others might find it fun to play far more with the rest of the crew.
I still manage just fine with Cloud but I've the feeling he gets his weapons at the slowest pace (after his initial 2nd weapon) – the rest already has more weapons. Hopefully I did not skip one for Cloud… and you also can't equip too many Materia at once, in my opinion.
I've plenty of unused Materia because it's just impossible to load them all. So, I would say the amount of abilities pretty clear still!
I think that the Materia that Tifa & Aerith bring to the table are pretty neat! But other than that nothing really new or revolting. I missed one (I saw in a sequence and could not go back until now...) and I've the dumb feeling that it was something cool because the Yellow orbs are usually the very unique ones, like Chakra (Tifa) or Prayer (Aerith).
It's deffo not too easy but I am also happy that it isn't frustrating! If you don't get a hang of the battle system it could be problematic… a friend of mine can't really get a grip on it, sooo it's a bit a bummer for her.
But if you made yourself familiar and are willing to try different things, I think it's very fair (+ there will be Hard difficulty with New Game, afaik?)
How long did it take you to finish the original game the first time?
...Says the person calling a perspective towards a fleshed out, actively characterized Sephiroth "MOAR IS BETTER. NEW GOOD. OLD BAD. UNGA DUNGA" while equating him to Xehanort. Riiiiight.
Didn't know there was a "make a generic complimentary post on the Remake" requirement in this thread, before you could respond or engage with discussions. I merely believed my critique of how the Remake could surpass the OG by better characterizing Sephiroth and utilizing him more in this adaption, was a clear compliment for what the Remake has shown so far.
So for the record, yes. The Remake is nailing Sephiroth as a nemesis antagonist villain. He is eroding Cloud's perception of reality while showcasing his potential threat within the narrative. And the dialogue is of a far higher level than something like, "join me in this eternal nightmare, untarnished by light," which you'd see in extent, unconnected works.
So far, the game has exceeded my original expectations of content, gameplay and story so I have close to zero concerns in how this adaption will go.
I LOL'd. Exactly. Meanwhile, I imagine Kefka is one of the most popular villains of FF because you really only see him like 3 times in the entire game. There you go, it makes sense! lolol
Never played it, wondered into the thread after the shit show in the RE3 thread complaining that the game is only 8 hours, only to find the same posts here.
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