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Final Fantasy VII Remake State of Play 2019 Trailer; More to come in June
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Yeah people are really clinging to this idea.
The speculation about the combat actually has me really excited if its correct. I like the idea of combining real time combat with "ATB Commands" after an ATB bar fills up. Seems like it could literally be a real time adaptation of classic FF combat.
I don't get people saying it looks like FF15 combat-wise when it demonstrably looks like KH2 and even has the dev lineage to go along with it
I'm not sure they actually played FFXV. Def looks nothing like it.
It looking like FFXV has to be just a meme at this point. That's the only thing I can think of to explain why people keep regurgitating it so often.
Final Fantasy VII Remake doesn't seem to have the vertical capabilities of FFXV's and KH's combat systems. We have not seen any character jump outside of Limit Break animations.
We have not seen a single instance of aerial combat, like XV does.
We have not seen a single instance of aerial combat, like XV does.
Not XV for sure, i don't know what's up with those who say that, maybe they didn't pay much attention, the combat looks like a mix between KH2 and FFXIII, you can see the characters dash when you chose the move just like XIII and characters can't even jump, that alone separates it from XV.
People are saying it looks like FFXV because it's real time action, and that's it.
Theyre not looking at the menus, or the gauges, or the actions the characters are making.
They're seeing non turn based combat and equating it to XV since that's the first in the series with real time action combat.
Because theyre fucking morons
Theyre not looking at the menus, or the gauges, or the actions the characters are making.
They're seeing non turn based combat and equating it to XV since that's the first in the series with real time action combat.
Because theyre fucking morons
To me it actually looks like the combat is NOT action combat, but a variation of the classic FF ATB system cleverly disguised as action combat.
The blue bars seem like they are an ATB bar that is split into different "slots" for commands, much like FFXIII's ATB bar. These probably recharge over time, or as the characters use normal attacks.
If you look at the shortcut menu, you can see there's a possibility to switch to other characters, and their available ATB bar slots are also shown. So you can e.g. switch to Barret and use his commands, until his ATB bar is fully used up, while you wait for Cloud's ATB bar to recharge... which is exactly how the original game worked.
So if you're into that, you can play the game in a classic ATB/turn-based FF way.
The major new combat element here is that you can also hit enemies while your ATB bar is depleted - but then you only have access to the normal combos and "punisher" attacks, both of which most likely do less damage than the special command attacks, but they do help to replete the ATB bar faster (or at least to kill time until the ATB bar is full).
So you're still waiting for ATB bars to charge, but the waiting is more fun because you retain control of your character and can do some slightly weaker attacks in-between, and by using the ATB slots individually you can manage just how much of the ATB bar needs to recharge. So while you can play it in the classic way, it can also be much faster and you have things to do while waiting, making it feel like action combat as well.
The blue bars seem like they are an ATB bar that is split into different "slots" for commands, much like FFXIII's ATB bar. These probably recharge over time, or as the characters use normal attacks.
If you look at the shortcut menu, you can see there's a possibility to switch to other characters, and their available ATB bar slots are also shown. So you can e.g. switch to Barret and use his commands, until his ATB bar is fully used up, while you wait for Cloud's ATB bar to recharge... which is exactly how the original game worked.
So if you're into that, you can play the game in a classic ATB/turn-based FF way.
The major new combat element here is that you can also hit enemies while your ATB bar is depleted - but then you only have access to the normal combos and "punisher" attacks, both of which most likely do less damage than the special command attacks, but they do help to replete the ATB bar faster (or at least to kill time until the ATB bar is full).
So you're still waiting for ATB bars to charge, but the waiting is more fun because you retain control of your character and can do some slightly weaker attacks in-between, and by using the ATB slots individually you can manage just how much of the ATB bar needs to recharge. So while you can play it in the classic way, it can also be much faster and you have things to do while waiting, making it feel like action combat as well.
Regardless, the point still stands.
I'm not trying to be argumentative though. Cool if people are into modern Final Fantasies and this one in particular. I just happened to think this is a misguided project from a creative point of view. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong.
So we just gonna pretend they haven't done both of these things since 2003 huh?
There seems to be zero importance on position and movement as most action RPG's would have. Did everyone who says it looks like FF15 ONLY ever play FF15 or something?
They've said on several occassions it's action based but not entirely action like KH or Dissidia or as fast as them, but it shares similarities.
They've said on several occassions it's action based but not entirely action like KH or Dissidia or as fast as them, but it shares similarities.
if it was just about milking, they could a 1:1 Remake with low efforts, mid tier graphics and still sell shittons of copies.
critizise the managament all you want, but i don't doubt Kitase, when he says that this is his magnus opus, or that those veterans (Nomura, Kitase, Nojima) dont take this project serious & only think about milking
I don't think any point of that still stands. I think it's ridiculous that there's people who really think there's been not a good FF since 2000 or 1999 or whatever. But fine to each their own on that.
But it's especially weird when I see this project called "cheap cash cow" or "milking" given the staff behind it.
I hope it's just an over-the-top cinematic like the original. FFVII was all about spectacle when it came to summons, and I liked that about FFXV too. I don't like the shift in combat that comes with controllable summons. The only time that's worked for me would be something like in Xenogears where there were two completely different battle systems for regular combat and mechs, but I wouldn't really want that for this game.
Knights Of The Round better be in. Shit, all of them better be in ;)
Yeah, I'm replaying it too🤘🏻
its racing time
They were so good in XV. Imagine a similar take on them with breeding and a more competitive sports-like chocobo racing discipline.
Gimme some of this psychodelic trippy shit, lord Nomura (but hopefully something that makes a little more sense):
You could argue 12 is good. I don't personally think it is, but I see why people like it. 11 and 14 aren't really even Final Fantasies and 13 and 15 are trash.
I have no faith in Nomura. I've always felt he was out of his league when it came to directing, and his character designs get worse and worse with each superfluous buckle and zipper. I do have faith in Kitase however. But on a more global level I don't think this game will work because the scope of what is necessary to make this actually better than the original (and anything less will be a failure) is too great practically speaking. If you scale graphics to a factor of X (as in algebra not ten lols) you have to scale the scope of the world to that same level. Otherwise you're left will bland linearity that's been rampant in the series since the PS2 generation.
IMO the last good Final Fantasy was 10. 12, not my tastes but I get it. Bravely Default was an awesome Final Fantasy 1 remake and shows frankly how I think Square should be making JRPGs, but it's not technically a Final Fantasy.
Also, so what about the staff. It's not like they've been putting out consistently awesome stuff this whole time. I'm all for giving Kitase the resources to create his magnus opus, but he's already done Final Fantasy 7 - he should do something else something new.
It's a shame there isn't a badge or something by your name so you can let people know where you fall on fan divisions like this lols.
Jesus Christ... So much nonsense and lies in a single post.
Your post is serious hyperbole. Yes the games that have come out have been flawed but not outright terrible in every aspect. Especially not FFXV.
Best argument for an overworld map so far. How could I forget about Meteor ominously looming over the landscape toward the end of the game? It's a major build up toward the finale. How would anyone feel the impact of the ending when the lifestream converges with Holy to save the planet without it?
You want Aeris' death to be in vain!?
They're not terrible in every aspect. I quite liked the gameplay in 13. 15 was a turd in every aspect though.
You know, I thought that originally back in the day, but that quickly faded when what the game was really sunk in. It was the beginning of a bunch of bad trends in the series - emos, gaudy character designs, unnecessarily byzantine stories, over reliance on realistic graphics. Still, Triple Triad is the best mini game they've ever had and the final boss is legit challenging if you don't cheese the fight.
If they are planning 3 games for the remake then they could give us a different Bahamut per game.
I think the combat only looks like FFXV in terms of the UI style kinda. seems like a way more grounded KH combat where you have a command gauge for special attacks instead of it costing MP so you can't spam em. really curious how blocking works or if it's just a "defend" command, if there's a dodge and jump (doesnt seem to be), how the materia system and learning skills work. what even does a "punisher" mean is it a heavy attack? also wonder how limit breaks work, like how you activate them.
Was hearing about a rumor today about it only being 2 parts (which could be cool) but 3 seems like the safe bet and multiple parts to me implies more than 2 even though that's not technically correct. that or the comparison to FFXIII just automatically triggers the thought of 3 parts and we've never bothered questioning it.
Was hearing about a rumor today about it only being 2 parts (which could be cool) but 3 seems like the safe bet and multiple parts to me implies more than 2 even though that's not technically correct. that or the comparison to FFXIII just automatically triggers the thought of 3 parts and we've never bothered questioning it.
I actually really like this idea. It would be a high quality top down perspective so it doesn't look cheesy. I think this would be totally doable. This is the best idea for how to do it.
Am I misreading? 8 is the beginning of gaudy character design in Final Fantasy? 8's character design is the most reserved in the series. Basically any game with Amano-based designs was far gaudier, what with all the random swatches of brightly colored cloth, jewelry and beads.
You can make the argument that a 90+ metacritic game is good? my god some of you people are fucking insane.
Yep .
People don't notice because the games are in 2d and lack detail .
But anyone saying 8 designs gaudier than the old ones need to look at some character art .
Like...how does 8 have gaudy designs?
Seifer? Quistis? Laguna?
Does putting some fur around Squall's coat make him gaudy? lol. 8's characters could almost step into Parasite Eve and be just fine.
Seifer? Quistis? Laguna?
Does putting some fur around Squall's coat make him gaudy? lol. 8's characters could almost step into Parasite Eve and be just fine.
Nope.
FFXV wasn't that bad and actually had moments of brilliance, on top of it being a gorgeous game to look at.
