FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE - Trailer for E3 2019 w/ Details & Gameplay Demo

Ryuman

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I really liked a lot of what they showed during their conference. It feels like they really get what people want out of this remake. And I'm hoping that means that Barrett will be a better character in the final game. There's nothing wrong with having a black character be loud or obnoxious or using slang. But this portrayal is just a bad character. He sounds more like a 80s/90's pro-wrestler than somebody with an attitude.

It feels like they did nothing to redesign the character. It's pretty obvious that the original does a lot of caricaturization because of its crude graphics. Most characters are basically pantomiming whatever character qualities they are supposed to have. But this remake looks like it's trying to be more subtle in most cases. Tifa is a good example of this. The original FFVII game was probably trying to represent what we are seeing in this remake, but crude graphics require exaggerated body dimensions. Every element of FFVII is toned down a bit because it's meant to be a more realistic illustration, and the pantomiming is no longer necessary. But Barrett feels like he is taken straight out of the original version unchanged. It sucks if he is like this because he actually has some important story-points that are going to be super awkward to hear from him if he's trying to sound like Macho Man Randy Savage.
A lot of that was down to the original game's translator, to be fair. The Japanese writers could do nothing different at all and it would still be better simply by virtue of an improved English localisation.
 

Mikey Jr.

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I was watching Max Dood, and someone in their chat says there was some theme available from PSN or something. Anyone know what they were talking about? Don't want to miss a special theme.
 
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A lot of that was down to the original game's translator, to be fair. The Japanese writers could do nothing different at all and it would still be better simply by virtue of an improved English localisation.
Eh, I think the translation matches well to Barret's pantomiming and actions on the original game very well. So I'm not really comfortable with throwing that blame on the translators. And I am not surprised that Square's first black character stuck close to some obvious stereotypes that you see for black people in Japanese media. So this would have been a great opportunity for them to show some growth. There's no reason Barret can't be an abrasive and candid character without losing the ridiculousness from the original game.
 

Fraxin

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For fuck's sake. This is the worst goddamn timeline.
Not sure if it is.

Do you remember Fabula Nova Crystallis the wait for Versus XIII and the launch of Final Fantasy XIV?

That was the worst timeline.

Only thing that seems clear is that FFXVI isn't going to be handled by Kitase and Nomura.
VII remake and KH will keep them busy, while other leads will handle future FF.
 

Usyren

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Anyone else think Barret's gameplay looks like ass from the streams. Auto aim tps with no melee options...Should have gone full fledged tps that lets you aim the gun yourself or at least copied Prompto's gameplay for XV. They already had a perfect template there.

At least Tifa looks fun to use. She looked more fun to use than even Cloud haha. Can't wait to shroryuken some bosses.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Not sure if it is.

Do you remember Fabula Nova Crystallis the wait for Versus XIII and the launch of Final Fantasy XIV?

That was the worst timeline.

Only thing that seems clear is that FFXVI isn't going to be handled by Kitase and Nomura.
VII remake and KH will keep them busy, while other leads will handle future FF.
I guess we could say that terrible timeline never ended.
 

Fraxin

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I guess we could say that terrible timeline never ended.
I hope it did.

FFVII could turn out good.

We do not have the Crystal Engine situation.

And at least we do have other teams who are handling other games.

FFXIV is as strong as ever. Especially with the launch trailer for Shadowbringers.

I just hope Yoshi-p is handling FFXVI.
 

badcrumble

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Anyone else think Barret's gameplay looks like ass from the streams. Auto aim tps with no melee options...Should have gone full fledged tps that lets you aim the gun yourself or at least copied Prompto's gameplay for XV. They already had a perfect template there.

At least Tifa looks fun to use. She looked more fun to use than even Cloud haha. Can't wait to shroryuken some bosses.
Barret is fine. This is guns with lockon (a la Devil May Cry or something), not guns with aiming. And that's fine.

I think Prompto type gameplay would frankly take way too much testing to implement well, and that it was a mistake for FFXV also. Games shouldn't try to mix too many genres together because they're not going to be able to do them all well.
 

McScroggz

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Anyone else think Barret's gameplay looks like ass from the streams. Auto aim tps with no melee options...Should have gone full fledged tps that lets you aim the gun yourself or at least copied Prompto's gameplay for XV. They already had a perfect template there.

At least Tifa looks fun to use. She looked more fun to use than even Cloud haha. Can't wait to shroryuken some bosses.
Without actually playing it, I think it looks fine. It's not meant to play like an action RPG like Dark Souls, and going into a reticuled mode with a character could be pretty clunky and make blocking/dodging jarring. Because the party members will be attacking without you needing to select them, you don't even really need to play Barrett unless you are specifically targeting a long distance enemy. Even using his ATB can be done from the menu and not while actively playing him.

Maybe on March 3 when I go to play as him it feels underwhelming, but I'm not getting negative spidey sense from it.
 

raitosaito

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Kitase is credited as producer but like a bunch of times there’s interviews saying he is directing too, and it’s been since X since he really had this much clout on a game right? And he was the director on 7 originally and scenario writer.

He’s allowed the leeway to fucking change the story and structure I feel.
 

Mikey Jr.

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Best timeline.

FF7 in this quality, over 5 games. I don't give a shit how many, haha.

FF12 did nothing for me, 13 was ok but the characters were boring but good battle system, 14 was online so I don't care, 15 I liked the characters but hated the dogshit story and just playing it didn't feel great.

Like, none of the recent Final Fantasies have done anything for me. But I see this FF7 remake, and it has me excited for an FF game that I haven't felt in a very long time.

So yeah, hot take here, but if we don't get a new FF for the entire PS5 gen, I wouldn't bat an eye. FF7 is the new 16.
But thats just me. I honestly don't expect everyone to feel like that and I can see why people want a new FF instead of remake.
 

Usyren

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badcrumble McScroggz From the stream it just looked like the person was just tapping the attack button and every few seconds later just use a skill. He's not aiming or dodging. It's kinda like using Dante, but only using his Ebony and Ivory standard attacks to kill enemies. No skill and takes a long time. Not a good showing imo.

But you're right, I'll need to play some sort of demo first. It might surprise me when I'm using Barrett myself and not just watching someone else.
 

Scherzo

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Anyone else think Barret's gameplay looks like ass from the streams. Auto aim tps with no melee options...Should have gone full fledged tps that lets you aim the gun yourself or at least copied Prompto's gameplay for XV. They already had a perfect template there.

At least Tifa looks fun to use. She looked more fun to use than even Cloud haha. Can't wait to shroryuken some bosses.
Eh, I like that they're leaning into the Role Playing part of this. Having him being a walking chain gun seems hella fun to me.
 

McScroggz

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badcrumble McScroggz From the stream it just looked like the person was just tapping the attack button and every few seconds later just use a skill. He's not aiming or dodging. It's kinda like using Dante, but only using his Ebony and Ivory standard attacks to kill enemies. No skill and takes a long time. Not a good showing imo.

But you're right, I'll need to play some sort of demo first. It might surprise me when I'm using Barrett myself and not just watching someone else.
So, how much fun would the original Final Fantasy VII game be if you only used auto attacks? How much fun would Kingdom Hearts be if you only used basic keyblade attacks?

There might not be moment to moment enjoyment from pressing attack so Barrett can autoshoot at the targeted enemy, but that’s not the real point of the combat system. For one, you are also going to be blocking and dodging in real time as well as positioning yourself. Also, you will be switching between characters, so although you might use Barrett’s auto attacks it will likely come after you’ve been beating up an enemy up close, so it mixes things up. Not to mention using the ATB tactical commands is what makes or break the basic idea of the combat I think.

Now, if you or anybody just won’t like it when you switch to Barrett to auto attack far away or flying enemies irrespective of the other aspects of the combat system, then fair enough. I may end up feeling the same as you.

But my initial impressions aren’t that I’m dreading it. In Kingdom Hearts III there are keyblade attacks that are autolocking gun attacks and they are surprisingly satisfying in short bursts.
 

Hzsn724

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Agreed. We only got to see 3 slums, the sewers/train tunnels, and Shinra Tower in the original. We got a tiny taste of upper plate city and even then it was during chaos. Midgar is brimming with potential for expansion and IMO deserves more time.
Yea I'm down with extra Avalanche missions or just more story in general.
 
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nelsonroyale

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Best timeline.

FF7 in this quality, over 5 games. I don't give a shit how many, haha.

FF12 did nothing for me, 13 was ok but the characters were boring but good battle system, 14 was online so I don't care, 15 I liked the characters but hated the dogshit story and just playing it didn't feel great.

Like, none of the recent Final Fantasies have done anything for me. But I see this FF7 remake, and it has me excited for an FF game that I haven't felt in a very long time.

So yeah, hot take here, but if we don't get a new FF for the entire PS5 gen, I wouldn't bat an eye. FF7 is the new 16.
But thats just me. I honestly don't expect everyone to feel like that and I can see why people want a new FF instead of remake.
Relative to FFXV, it also feels like it is bringing back the FF spectacle in a big way. Like this was the most over the top spectacle gameplay demo this E3, and that is just the way I want my FF. Felt that was largley missing in FFXV, especially the magic which was crap
 

Hzsn724

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If you think Square doesn't have an outline or a plan regarding FFVIIR then you're mistaken. There's no way that any company would take something of this magnitude on, in this fashion, without a plan. There's a million moving parts here and it's likely they are almost complete with the second part for next year. Too much money involved here to not have a plan.

It's more likely that if Kitase told the internet how long it is going to take it would troll it and tear their concept apart. It's better to keep consumers in the dark.
 

badcrumble

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badcrumble McScroggz From the stream it just looked like the person was just tapping the attack button and every few seconds later just use a skill. He's not aiming or dodging. It's kinda like using Dante, but only using his Ebony and Ivory standard attacks to kill enemies. No skill and takes a long time. Not a good showing imo.

But you're right, I'll need to play some sort of demo first. It might surprise me when I'm using Barrett myself and not just watching someone else.
I think the entire point of what we've seen of the gameplay, to be honest, is that the 'regular' attacks - while dealing chip damage - really aren't the main focus of the combat.

My hope is that enemies *also* have their own (hidden-to-us, I guess) ATB meters (building up to special moves), such that the ebb and flow of between-the-turns combat would be landing hits on them while blocking/dodging their hits so that *your* ATB meter fills up fast while theirs fills up more slowly.

But yeah, agreed that it looks like using Dante using E&I and lockon to kill enemies and... that's fine because the meat of the combat is in the ATB turns. The last time we had full-on TPS aiming in the FF7 universe it did not go so well.
 

Jirotrom

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Best timeline.

FF7 in this quality, over 5 games. I don't give a shit how many, haha.

FF12 did nothing for me, 13 was ok but the characters were boring but good battle system, 14 was online so I don't care, 15 I liked the characters but hated the dogshit story and just playing it didn't feel great.

Like, none of the recent Final Fantasies have done anything for me. But I see this FF7 remake, and it has me excited for an FF game that I haven't felt in a very long time.

So yeah, hot take here, but if we don't get a new FF for the entire PS5 gen, I wouldn't bat an eye. FF7 is the new 16.
But thats just me. I honestly don't expect everyone to feel like that and I can see why people want a new FF instead of remake.
hey folks, you think the Kai work,

Couldn’t agree more
 

Delriach

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I tweeted some impressions from my time with the demo. Needless to say, I really really enjoyed it.

Combat felt great. I love the use of stopping time. I love how often I swapped characters and used ATB charges. The thought process of managing just those mechanics alone were super exciting.

I was super worried about gameplay since it would obviously not be traditional ATB turn based combat. But this really captures the spirit so well. Very, very impressed.

I have some more thoughts in this Twitter thread if you wanna read
 

Inuhanyou

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Oct 25, 2017
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ugh, glad that there are so many positive impressions of the game so far

is the only real point of contention is combat not being like the original game and the number of entrees not being known, we're in a good position if the games are quality irrespective of those outside points
 

Eros

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not expecting Vincent to be in the first game. But I can't wait until we can play him. Give me all the 3edgy5me claw attacks and demon transformations.
 

nelsonroyale

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I tweeted some impressions from my time with the demo. Needless to say, I really really enjoyed it.

Combat felt great. I love the use of stopping time. I love how often I swapped characters and used ATB charges. The thought process of managing just those mechanics alone were super exciting.

I was super worried about gameplay since it would obviously not be traditional ATB turn based combat. But this really captures the spirit so well. Very, very impressed.

I have some more thoughts in this Twitter thread if you wanna read
Thanks for this! Any comments on the graphics live? Also, was the intro cinematic real time when it zooms out from Aerith to the city to the train and Cloud?
 

John Frost

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Best timeline.

FF7 in this quality, over 5 games. I don't give a shit how many, haha.

FF12 did nothing for me, 13 was ok but the characters were boring but good battle system, 14 was online so I don't care, 15 I liked the characters but hated the dogshit story and just playing it didn't feel great.

Like, none of the recent Final Fantasies have done anything for me. But I see this FF7 remake, and it has me excited for an FF game that I haven't felt in a very long time.

So yeah, hot take here, but if we don't get a new FF for the entire PS5 gen, I wouldn't bat an eye. FF7 is the new 16.
But thats just me. I honestly don't expect everyone to feel like that and I can see why people want a new FF instead of remake.
Same, 3,4,5 games, I don’t care as long as they are good etc.

All over my face.
 

Wollan

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I tweeted some impressions from my time with the demo. Needless to say, I really really enjoyed it.

Combat felt great. I love the use of stopping time. I love how often I swapped characters and used ATB charges. The thought process of managing just those mechanics alone were super exciting.

I was super worried about gameplay since it would obviously not be traditional ATB turn based combat. But this really captures the spirit so well. Very, very impressed.

I have some more thoughts in this Twitter thread if you wanna read
Your impressions (and seemingly everyone that goes hands on with this so far sharing the sentiment) and comparing it to the MGS2 Sons of Liberty demo in terms of impact is making me very hyped. I would love for Square Enix to release the demo to the public. Feels like Final Fantasy X was the last time the franchise was a juggernaut event and a technical showcase. FF7 Remake is a big return to form in that regards.
 

ULTROS!

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I feel that FFXV was the prototype to FFVII:R.

I did enjoy FFXV however due to its new style of approach, kinda overwhelming though.
 

Lifejumper

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Your impressions (and seemingly everyone that goes hands on with this so far sharing the sentiment) and comparing it to the MGS2 Sons of Liberty demo in terms of impact is making me very hyped. I would love for Square Enix to release the demo to the public. Feels like Final Fantasy X was the last time the franchise was a juggernaut event and a technical showcase. FF7 Remake is a big return to form in that regards.
I don’t think they are going to release the demo to the public. Some are saying that the demo has FPS issues.

Era would tear it to shreds lol.
 

Callibretto

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I feel that FFXV was the prototype to FFVII:R.

I did enjoy FFXV however due to its new style of approach, kinda overwhelming though.
nah, FF XV is entirely tabata I think. if Nomura stay attached to Versus, I doubt it will ever have that hold button to auto attack or dodge thing. FF7R combat seems like a perfectly logical evolution of old ATB system combine with ff13 stagger mechanic . in the old ATB, you wait the atb bar until you can input various command like attack, item, magic etc. similar thing still happened in FF7R, but they allow you to move around, doing smaller attack, defend/evade, making positioning more relevant and you're not standing in a line like the old turn based system. I'm kinda surprised they haven't tried this before.
 

Valkerion

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Still wondering about our boy Red XIII. Is he gonna be in it for a few hours or is the last section(s) that long. Or will he be moved to join at the very end of Midgard!?
 

Ryuman

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Thanks for this! Any comments on the graphics live? Also, was the intro cinematic real time when it zooms out from Aerith to the city to the train and Cloud?
Aerith and the pan out is CG, if that's what you mean. I don't really think we've seen the point in which they manage to transition it. Impressions on the graphics in the demo seem good. I heard some people say things like Cloud's hair being a bit fuzzy or blurry. Also the framerate was a little wild.
 

Delriach

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For the people that played the Demo, did the gameplay felt kinda like Crisis Core?
Feels a million times better than Crisis Core. This is way more similar to Kingdom Hearts 2 with character swapping and ability management.

I saw some comments about the FPS. I’m very sensitive to that stuff and I didn’t even think twice about it til I saw posts here. Inputs felt responsive, too. Maybe demos have terrible input latency and this didn’t suffer from that thankfully.

Maybe that’s just the developer side of me talking but I am currently not worried about it at all.
 

Gaia Lanzer

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Feels a million times better than Crisis Core. This is way more similar to Kingdom Hearts 2 with character swapping and ability management.

I saw some comments about the FPS. I’m very sensitive to that stuff and I didn’t even think twice about it til I saw posts here. Inputs felt responsive, too. Maybe demos have terrible input latency and this didn’t suffer from that thankfully.

Maybe that’s just the developer side of me talking but I am currently not worried about it at all.
Is there a way to target/lock on to enemies?
 

Gaia Lanzer

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Strange that no one has asked them about extended Avalanche missions and moments with the Turks.
Fuckin HATE how Sephiroth, Cloud and Zack have to be included in the Before Crisis artwork. It can't just be about the Turks. Gotta crowbar in Cloud and Sephiroth, because it can't be FFVII without Cloud and Sephiroth. It reminds me of Jim Sterling's fear about "Remember the rivalry between Cloud and Sephiroth? Because that's what FFVII was, a story completely about how Cloud and Sephiroth were rivals and would always fight each other!!"

Yeah, there was a lock on mechanic.

When you do the command menu stuff you can pick and choose the enemies just like a traditional turn based game as well.
Okay, that's cool!!
 

Heckler456

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Just started a new playthrough for the first time since, I don't know, like 15 years ago or something. I'm up to the part where Elmyra is explaining her and Aeris's history, and I don't you guys, I had a little tear in my eye even after all this time. If they somehow pull this thing off, this could really be something truly special.
 

icyflamez96

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Idk why but one of the most memorable scenes to me is the planetarium scene. Most of this other stuff I see mentioned is like a blast to the past but stuff I completely forgot.