they used locke for test
This screen is still crazy to me.
In an alternate timeline, this was FF7.
Fucking bonkers.
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This screen is still crazy to me.
In an alternate timeline, this was FF7.
Fucking bonkers.
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Yes.
Volume 1 is ff1-6
Volume 2 is ff7-9
Volume 3 will be released in english this year
In another alternate timeline, FF7 was set in New York and was about a detective named Hot Blooded Joe.
Yes, this is true
The Tifa/Sephiroth connection makes perfect sense if you look at the etymology of their names:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefirot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiferet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefirot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiferet
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yeah in that pic dipuu posted you can read America
I always figured that was what eventually became Parasite Eve.
Was it really a set? I thought so at first, but I eventually learned elsewhere that "?/??th" usually denotes size ratio to RL instances when discussing things like dolls and toys. I originally thought it meant there were 35 of them out there, but you only ever get two I think?
Every time I see that FF7 SNES mock-up I think about Xenogears. It's rumoured that another turned down FF7 pitch idea eventually became Xenogears, right?
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Yes, Takahashi proposed xenogears story to FF7.
and yes 1/35 is scale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1:35_scale
A lot of crazy creative turns at Square back then. FFVIII AND FFX were both pitched by Kitase/Nojima to be original IPs, but were converted to FFs, where-as Xenogears and even elements of Parasite Eve and Chrono Cross were meant to be FFs.
Amazing time back then. Can't even imagine all the internal meetings...
Vincent's original concept was a reporter/horror novelist rather than the weird vampire he ended up warping into, so I'm not surprised they transplanted an old, rejected Sephiroth design on top of him when they rewrote him for the ????th time.
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that snes pic is in the ff7 ultimania book, they are made by squareWasn't that SNES screenshot just a fake mockup not indicative of anything actually in development, sort of like the Famicom FFIV?
Anyhow, this is always cool stuff to read about! The development history of this game is fascinating.
Yeah. Furthermore:
Dummied dialogue suggests a person in Bone Village gives details on the puzzles in Ancient Forest. The dialogue would allow the player to find information about Pitcher Plants (which carry insects and launch the character), "Big Eaters" (大喰らい, Ōgurai?) (not translated in the English version, shut and damage the player when ran over), and Inchworms (しゃくとり虫, Shakutori Mushi?) (the pink bouncy rope-like things that can be jumped onto). A dialogue-option for Scent Balls (くす玉草, Kusudama Sō?) (which neutralize Big Eaters) exists, but no dialogue for its explanation exists in the data.[1]
There is a cave visible in the Corel Valley forest exit area that has a vine leading up to it, but the cave does not have exit data, and the vine has no climb data. It is indicated it was originally the exit of the Ancient Forest due to the dummied dialogue from Bone Village, an unrelated location, but also the order of the fields in-game, which are almost entirely in visit-order, that place the Ancient Forest fields after the Sleeping Forest fields (which are after the Bone Village fields).[1]
The enemy Ho-chu that is only encountered on the Battle Square in the final game, may have been intended to be a special encounter in the Ancient Forest. If hacked into the game, the Ancient Forest version of the battle cannot be escaped from, and thus Ho-chu was probably meant as a special encounter.
Who knows why they changed it. Maybe they felt the puzzles in the forest were too frustrating for that point in the game but they already had the minidungeon finished so they just made it a bonus dungeon.
The description of the item in game is "Shinra armored "attack" soldiers: 12 in the set."
This was actually recently disputed by the developers. But I also think there was an actual interview about it where they did mention detective jo. So that suggests if it was an idea, it wasn't one that went very far if no one can remember it any more.
Well, it basically became Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within
Alien from space crashes into Earth and infects the lifestream.
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yeah the game was developed so fast, that i dont doubt something like that image of sephiroth looking like vincent and tifa being basicaly aerith, was something they are thinking in one day and the day after they changed that
Not a rumor :)
https://www.siliconera.com/2010/06/11/soraya-saga-on-xenogears-and-xenosaga/
https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Iwata-As...Years/1-Reunion-After-Eight-Years-211179.html
Takahashi used to work as a graphic director and field map artist on the FF series, so who knows, maybe it's not a coincidence that the field map in that FFVII SNES mock-up reminds you of Xenogears!
Chrono Cross was never meant to be an FF, and I don't recall FFVIII being pitched as an original IP either. The rest is definitely correct, though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIG-C_FSjH8
https://www.resetera.com/threads/games-that-completely-changed-during-development.7767/#post-1312041
Final Fantasy X
The early concept was like this apparently:
Final Fantasy X originally wasn't going to be a Final Fantasy game at all, but a series called 'Seventeen.' The story revolved around a recent unknown disease that killed people on their seventeenth birthday. Yuna would have had the role of a doctor/nurse that went around giving the disease's cure to its inspected victims. It is eventually revealed that the 'cure' was in fact the source of the disease, and that it was established by the company that Yuna was working for to rule the world, by claiming that they were the only ones that could provide the cure in the first place. It is unknown what role Tidus and Auron would have had, if they were even thought out as characters in the first place. That being said, some of these concepts could have been made for Seventeen and not FFX.
Concept art:
Yusuke Naora's early concept art was very Moebius-inspired:
The SNES screenshot was just a mockup to show the press and investors. It probably wasn't even composed in a game engine. Anything else that exists would be simple plot outlines and sketches. (Which I'd like to see, regardless.)
When Cloud has his mental breakdown in FFFVII he mentions something cryptic called "Xenogears". It was just completely mangled in the translation to English because that game hadn't been announced yet.
They fixed it in the PC translation.When Cloud has his mental breakdown in FFFVII he mentions something cryptic called "Xenogears". It was just completely mangled in the translation to English because that game hadn't been announced yet.
It's a mockup, but I think it was composed in an actual game engine. In fact, it looks like a variant of the Chrono Trigger engine itself. Here's a raw screenshot of Chrono Trigger:
Notice the black bar at the bottom? CT didn't run in full screen; the game has a permanent black bar at the bottom of the screen (aside from a few cutscenes). If you use a cheat like GameShark to remove that black bar, it appears that the map tiles located behind it are glitchy. That glitch is probably a limitation of the CT engine and the only solution they found to fix it was to simply hide it behind a black bar.
Now look at the FFVII SNES screenshot again:
The bottom of the screen is also glitched! If it were just a visual mockup that Square quickly put together in Photoshop, I don't think they would have included that glitch at the bottom.
When Cloud has his mental breakdown in FFFVII he mentions something cryptic called "Xenogears". It was just completely mangled in the translation to English because that game hadn't been announced yet.
Xenogears also returned the favor by including a Tifa poster in Solaris:
I don't think there's much truth to "until the last minute", but she definitely wasn't going to be in the game at first. She wasn't among the first characters to be designed: https://thelifestream.net/lifestrea...o-13-of-the-ffvii-10th-anniversary-ultimania/
Originally the main cast was just Cloud, Barrett, and Aerith: https://web.archive.org/web/20071011164522/http://ff7citadel.com/press/int_egm.shtml
This longstanding rumor stems from a magazine -- either EGM or Game Informer or one of those -- from the release of the very first FFVIII demo, the one where you had sheeva in the town setting. I can't remember which magazine it was, but their write up of the demo noted that FFVIII was actually a different game until just a few months prior to the demo, when they turned it into a FF game. That's the first and only time I've ever seen a publication mention that. I can remember exactly where I was when I read that magazine -- I was in College Station, Tx visiting my sister. This was definitely before the release of FFVIII.
Here are the quotes:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170816023944/http://www./forum/showthread.php?t=98617
https://www.ign.com/articles/2007/06/04/ffvii-not-being-remade-nomura
https://web.archive.org/web/2018040...ks-about-ffvii-nomura-sakaguchi-dq-ff.302056/
https://www.polygon.com/a/final-fantasy-7
This is the first I've heard about translation issues with Vol 2 anywhere, got any examples besides Ultimecia's K thing (which was likely more of a thing for nostalgia's sake than anything else)
The Ultimania is supposed to be informative and provide correct information. Using an image of her speech mistranslation is inappropriate because it will make readers think it was intentional and not a translation issue. Another issue but this might be personal since I haven't confirmed if the Japanese side used it is labeling both Raijin and Fujin as Seifers followers when they evidently are his closest friends. I understand how follower could be used but that isn't their actual relationship with Seifer.
Some of the mistranslations on the VII side were:
- Stating Cloud asks Tifa on a date at Gold Saucer which not only is blatantly wrong considering we can look at the original game to disprove this but this isn't said in the Japanese, French or German versions.
- They mistranslated Clouds speech when Aerith dies
And basically a bunch of other weird translation choices that conflicted with the releases in other languages. It seemed like VII in particular suffered from this because all the changes were specifically related to VII's couples which is insane considering that shit shouldn't spill into official work but I doubt SE cares. I own the book and I just kind of put it way with the rest of the stuff I own after finishing it. There is some neat stuff in the books if you haven't seen a lot of the concept art already available online but otherwise I was disappointed in the quality, especially for VIII. It got the least amount of focus and putting a blatant and known mistranslation in it is ridiculous.
Is this the only "mistranslated" screenshot in the book? I was under the impression that they edited the screenshots of the Japanese book to make them match the official translations of the localized game.
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hmm that chart becomes complex to explain, they droped aerith one day? or someone got confused and changed tifa with aerith?
For VIII it is the only screenshot mistranslated as far as I can tell since the rest are general scenes(I'm looking at it right now) that are a bit more difficult to confirm. It is obvious they were being lazy with the Ultimecia image considering they DID correctly translate that Squall's common phrase is 'Sorry' and not 'Whatever' which SE has now treated like an official translation. I also want to point out that they are using the PC version for images based off the text in the screenshots which I found kind of funny.
VII has more screenshots that are mistranslated.
I took a look through this at a store today. A lot of good concept art for the variety of odd NPCs in IX.
Some of the developer ancedotes were also similar to those in the recent "Inside FFIX" video, so we know what experiences stuck out in their memories.
A shame that they didn't put more official art in the strategy guide at the time, instead of filling the pages with obtuse, unhelpful web links.
Some of the developer ancedotes were also similar to those in the recent "Inside FFIX" video, so we know what experiences stuck out in their memories.
ehhhh having Ultimecia have Ks in her speech is more of a localization than a translation error, though. It's adding something that wasn't there originally, but not changing the meaning of what she's saying or making plot points unclear. we could argue the merits of localizations that change character quirks (Good/neutral/arguable: Teddie from Persona 4 didn't do bear puns in the original, Phoenix Wright keeps the main plot beats but changes names and locations, "You spoony bard!" from FFIV and the use of "espers" in VI weren't in the Japanese; bad: Squall's "whatever" replaces actual dialogue, "clones" in VII made audiences think of literal cloned people, Super Mario Galaxy using slang in French) but that's not the same thing, y'know?
Huh? Are you referring to this one? It's a pretty easy explanation: it was from later in development than many other story elements, is all.
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yeah the art chapter of thenpcs in FFIX is very cool indeed
oh got it
So I'm looking at the book right now and the Raijin and Fujin thing is a little bit nitpicky, but the relationship chart in these are always used more as cursory alignment chart than anything else (in terms of marriage, faction alliance, who killed who, etc). Raijin and Fujin says "follows" which is technically a true statement. As for Ultimecia's dialogue being inappropriate, I really don't see it that way. Hell, it seems like with all of the stuff in the Ultimanias, they're using the same screenshots but imported the localized speech since the fonts don't really match. In this specific case, you have one screen shot that shows her K thing.
I don't know if this was more of a thing from higher up considering all of this is lifted from the official localizations (even Cloud's speech, for God's sake, even let's mosey made it in), but I don't know if these were ever intended to be 1:1 translations as opposed to providing as much background info as possible while feeding into the nostalgia.
The Gold Saucer thing does have an error, but I mean... you fix that just by reversing the parties
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You are correct however the actual speech is imo quite different in Japanese too though I was hoping there would be more confirmation for this. The Japanese version conveys Ultimecia's feelings more clearly and doesn't really make her into this cartoony laughing evil villain like the english does.
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I don't know maybe my expectations are off but Ultimania's have always been known as huge sources of information provided about the game itself that either was speculated or left unknown but confirmed in the books. All the Ultimania's have gone into great detail but most are in Japanese so I guess with one of the first big english releases I wanted something as accurate as possible so that I could understand what the japanese side was conveying especially since the Japanese version is the original source.
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Dang so Red XIII witnesses the extinction of the human race huh
oh my lord my 16-year-old self feels so vindicated right now
I thought this was obvious. At least everyone I've ever talked to about it online has thought this was the case. It's a guess but because you see no one else and you see Midgar totally overgrown, it seemed like a reasonable assumption.
Damn I thought they were trying to leave it up to interpretation.
This will always be nonsense no matter what the devs say.
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yIt's a mockup, but I think it was composed in an actual game engine. In fact, it looks like a variant of the Chrono Trigger engine itself. Here's a raw screenshot of Chrono Trigger:
Notice the black bar at the bottom? CT didn't run in full screen; the game has a permanent black bar at the bottom of the screen (aside from a few cutscenes). If you use a cheat like GameShark to remove that black bar, it appears that the map tiles located behind it are glitchy. That glitch is probably a limitation of the CT engine and the only solution they found to fix it was to simply hide it behind a black bar.
Now look at the FFVII SNES screenshot again:
The bottom of the screen is also glitched! If it were just a visual mockup that Square quickly put together in Photoshop, I don't think they would have included that glitch at the bottom.
Xenogears also returned the favor by including a Tifa poster in Solaris:
i knew about xenogears but that chrono trigger engine is something new to me, very interesting
