People have been asking for a beast-like race for a while too. Also Hrothgar are Ronso from FFX.
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Final Fantasy XIV Reintroduces "Gender"-locked races, Viera female only, Hrothgar male only.
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People have been asking for a beast-like race for a while too. Also Hrothgar are Ronso from FFX.
Right, but Hrothgar proper weren't even a twinkle in anyone's eye. They're only reminiscent of Ronso based off of what we've seen, too. Ronso stood straight and had fairly lithe frames considering how large they were. Granted the models they showered off were... Not very great so that may change. Ironically, another game did the leonine people better than Hrothgar already:
Move the tusks on the cheeks into the mouth and tada. Squish the face a little bit (or play with the Bless Online CC since I believe it straight up has cat-face options) And they have a female equivalent! Viera just made more sense considering how long they've been teasing it. Ivalice has been a major portion of Stormblood and everyone was waiting for the Viera reveal; Especially since they talked about them at the Heavensward Fanfest announcement.
Not to take away from this but Viera males still exist. It's how they mate. It's just in their society males rarely leave or interact with anyone but Viera.
man no one knew Au Ra existed either. No one asked for them, but we got em anyway. Hrothgar may as well be new too, and who knows how long they've been planed.
Yeah it's not Bangaa like I was hoping but i'm absolutely not up in arms about this. Considering that Viera is the fanservice pick here, I'm more glad we got them at all
I guess my point here is that they let a lot of people down by only giving us half of the option that would make sense (the race that's been teased for 4 years now) and instead gave us an option that came out of left field, making a misstep that was completely avoidable. If they'd just given us Hrothgar with no Viera, but gave Hrothgar both male and female, this wouldn't even be a big deal.
No new playable race was even teased up until Au Ra were announced. People wanted certain things, sure, but the devs didn't nudge us with any possibilities.
This is such a pointless complaint. It's not just in SE's but in the community's best interests that races are introduced that people will actually pick and choose. Male bunnies and female lions would make sense only to appease the politically correct crowd, in practice you'd just end up with wasted dev resources for half a race. Two people actually want to play them while everyone else cries over not having the option to not choose them when it's time to walk the walk. God forbid popularity plays a role in SE's decision making.
A friend and I watching the event last night were actually really happy about the Hrothgar during the initial reveal BECAUSE they looked like Ronso, and we even joked that would be their name in the first, and then well right after that... yeah
You guys do realize you just went out of your way to invalidate me while insisting that I'm valid, right? I explicitly went out of my way to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Don't do this, guys.
'I am a straight man and got what I want. Why are queer people complaining?'
i dunno, this looks like the best that they could please fans, keep dev resources reasonable, and still fit in their original race. And I'm fine with it. And, when it comes down to it, maybe later they'll find time to pop in the genders.
"willfully ignorant"
Can you stop with this crap? I'm legitimately asking you what constitutes harassment because I have seen people label others who are JUST COMPLAINING as harassment. What I have seen on Reddit is people saying they will unsub or complain neither of which is harassment hence me asking because I'm not seeing any of it.
Male Roe, the race most similar to the Hrothgar, are already the least-played race in the game across all regions and servers. How does it make any sense to come up with a race almost identical in bodytype, but now with a more jarring, overall less-appealling face?
This is simply untrue. Au Ra were established well before their release starting back in 2.2 and players were working to help them before they even knew what they looked like. Then we saw them elaborated on in the next two expansions. Obviously there was a demand.
Makes sense, i wouldn't want to be the guys that have to go through hundreds of hats to stretch and make them look alright. For two races even. Must have been an awful ass pain for Au Ra and their horns as it was.
I don't remember a mention of their race whatsoever, just Yugiri and her all concealing outfit. It literally didn't matter what the Au Ra looked like, or even their name. At most you were looking forward to a new race, but not something specific.
They were a surprise. Hrothgar were a surprise. Viera were not.
User banned (2 weeks) homophobic rhetoric
It's a massive effort just to appease the queer people, while ignoring the other people preferring something more traditional like the lion race. They can't do everything. It's not like males can't equip bunny ears in this game. Let's not confuse optimal use of limited resources with whatever this is, please.
I *think* that award goes to fem Roe, which kinda proves my point if so.
I forgot but wasn't Yugiri's scaly tail sticking out from the start?
Riddle me this: why didn't they make brutal bestial female characters and sexy bunny boy male characters instead?
I feel like my ass might be getting pulled.
"They can't do everything" sounds good but gee how come almost every single game does one thing but not the other? Weird!
Actually why am I even in this thread? Parts of this community are impossible to reason with when it comes to sexist bullshit in video games. Y'all enjoy defending the status quo I suppose.
I'm a straight dude that would've played a manbun. I don't think your point has any merit when you go on to say it's for PC people/queer people only. It's basically shitposting. There's a reason male miqo'te are the 2nd most played race and they are, by and large, pretty feminine.
This race was actually what had me interested in Bless, before I heard all the negative impressions and decided not to bother.Right, but Hrothgar proper weren't even a twinkle in anyone's eye. They're only reminiscent of Ronso based off of what we've seen, too. Ronso stood straight and had fairly lithe frames considering how large they were. Granted the models they showered off were... Not very great so that may change. Ironically, another game did the leonine people better than Hrothgar already:
Move the tusks on the cheeks into the mouth and tada. Squish the face a little bit (or play with the Bless Online CC since I believe it straight up has cat-face options) And they have a female equivalent! Viera just made more sense considering how long they've been teasing it. Ivalice has been a major portion of Stormblood and everyone was waiting for the Viera reveal; Especially since they talked about them at the Heavensward Fanfest announcement.
I am very much not a fan of them getting rid of an entire gear slot because it's difficult. Do it right or don't do it at all. I have entire glamour sets that are really pulled together by the helm/hat. See: Red mage hat!
It was bad, yeah. Very, very bad. A shame because Pantera/Lupus were really cool!
Fem Roe is slightly below, but the entire race is the lowest. It doesn't prove your point at all, considering they're just...doing that race again, but with universally less-appealing features and exclusively masculine. In what world does it make more sense to forego conventionally attractive men in your race of conventionally attractive bunny people and instead create a race of beastial tiger men with extreme niche appeal?
Also, massive effort to appeal to queer people?! It's literally just tall dudes with bunny ears. They went OUT of their way to make unattractive, masculine-exclusive tiger dudes. There is no possible way that that is somehow less work than just adding male Viera.
They're gonna have to show that data because I don't believe that for even one second. Ronso appeared in exactly one FF title and their main representative (Kimahri) is universally considered to be useless and pointless by the fans of that game. Viera are so popular that they have an entire PS4 theme dedicated to them, have appeared in multiple titles and their main representative (Fran) is so popular that they based this iteration of Viera solely off her while teasing the actual character's appearance in the last raid. Male Viera would HAVE to be more popular purely from association.
Yes, there is a huge audience for it with fujoshi, and I can bet you if released that it will more users using it than male Hrothar.
There have been many fans who have wanted a beast-like race for ages, not specifically Ronso however but at least a race without a human head.
Edit: Ronso were in X and X-2.
That is because of Zodiac Age releasing/24-man raid based on Ivalice and also the theme is popular because there's bunny butts all over the screen.
I kinda agree, but I also understand where they're coming from. I honestly wish about 90$ of the 1-49 gear was kill because it's all utterly worthless. In the end im just glad that there's FINALLY a race that isn't 'humans with ear attachments or bara'. I'll likely stick with my Lalafell for a month before switching to Viera, if I ever do.
If we are going by absolute numbers, then a straight male power fantasy always will be in more demand than queer fanservice. They're a minority for a reason. Demand cannot always be quantified and shouldn't be.
One of the biggest complaints about the current line up is that they are all mostly the same thing, but some have animal parts pasted on. I have seen a lot of people request something different like a beast race over the years.
You could be right though. It would be interesting to hear how they decided on Ronso!
I think the truth is Square-Enix doesn't want FF14, which is not a primary Ivalice entry, to be defining anything from Ivalice.
It can use anything from Ivalice as long as it's non-canon, but it can't contribute.
The entire reason male Viera was so exciting was because it was expanding on that universe in a way that would basically be sanctioned.
It can use anything from Ivalice as long as it's non-canon, but it can't contribute.
The entire reason male Viera was so exciting was because it was expanding on that universe in a way that would basically be sanctioned.
Maybe it's ignorance but someone fill me in, but how is building sex and race specific characters sexist or racist? I could understand if the game consisted entirely of one gender/race
https://ffxivcensus.com
In terms of active (total characters counts RMT and bots), the buffest most masculine race is the least played. Highlander, the other buff male race, is also much rarer. Mi'qote is one of the two most popular male races. Lalafell is the other. Au Ra and Midlander are right there with them.
Gender specific races are not automatically sexist. Gender specific races that play to gender stereotypes are (slim sexy female/big muscular male).
Generic sexy race = all women.
Generic not-sexy race = all men.
If it helps, there are apparently quite a few queer Miqo'te of both sexes, going by various NPCs since 1.0 and 2.0.
Most of the FF14 races seem to be base bi and sexuality seems to be quite progressive. There are quite a few gay NPCs that I remember of most, if not all, races.
This is some real gross fan-service.Isn't that first pic from FFTA? I said 12.
I just did this at work between customers. I fully believe SE can absolutely make cool, male Vieras if they decided to it.
The majority of people LOVE to play as the "cute" races in MMO's. To this day WoW's most popular race is still the Blood Elves.
Eh, a bit off topic but they kinda already did that with Galkas from FFXI. They are considered male due to their appearance (were the inspiration for today's male Roegadyn), but were asexual and their only official way to continue on is to be reborn via reincarnation. I and many others assume they never wanted to go into too much detail about what had to have been their other method(s) to procreate since you need to be born in the first place to reincarnate, but I have been a staunch believer in them being a male humanoid version of whiptail lizards considering all of their lizard-like features described through the flavour text of various in game items (their tails regrow if cut off, as one example).
I am hoping someday they will be able to be more open about things like that in their games without feeling pressured to (and that we have sliders so we can make said race more masculine/feminine looking, as you said).
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/b4o4xr/according_to_interview_with_yoshida/
Has anyone linked this yet?
Honestly this whole expac seems like they bit off more than they could chew.
Has anyone linked this yet?
Honestly this whole expac seems like they bit off more than they could chew.
Yeah was gonna post this. If folks don't believe it wasn't budget reasons I don't know what to tell you