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Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers |OT| First World Problems
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36 retainers?! Holy shit.
I thought they could only get shards, not crystals?
That BLM is a clown. "I out dps'd you and and the Ninja". Uhhhh, you fucking better out dps the two lowest hitting jobs in the game when you're the highest. The dps floor for BLM is so damn high.
I'm not on tonberry but I'm on the same Elemental datacenter (Kujata).
I've actually haven't really run into many "toxic" randoms this expansion. Most seem to all silently agree we're all new, and mistakes are going to happen.
Does anyone know a site or some tips for skill layouts for classes on the ps4 controller. I can manage with a Ninja but just got the dancer job and am so confused. Or am i missing something? I have enable the third skill bar with the push of the L2 and R2 triggers but still struggling with a good flow.
Man, I've run so many dungeons for my WHM Zeta Relic that I might as well have shown off my optimized runs during Games Done Quick...
I had Tam-Tara Deepcroft down to under 3 minutes if I recall correctly.
You'd think that, but you never know with randoms. I had to leave an expert roulette earlier after the first boss, gave them the benefit of the doubt on trash, DPS not aoeing happens and it's whatever, but then the BLM was 3.8k and the SAM was 3.5k, on the boss. Like yeah no I'm out of here I'll go do FATEs. Healer wasn't DPSing either, which I'm fine with in roulettes but that's basically 3people doing about 7k DPS, about as much as I was doing on my 430PLD.
Haven't had anyone bitch at me for partner stuff on my DNC though, yet. I even switch partners between pulls and stuff when I notice one does higher damage, but so far they've been fine with it.
Single Target Crossbar
R1:
Circle - Cascade
X - Fountain
Square - Reverse Cascade
Triangle - Fountainfall
Right - Fan Dance
Down - Fan Dance III
Left - Sabre Dance
Up - Standard Step
L2:
Circle - Devilment
X - Shield Samba
Square - Flourish
Triangle - En Avant
Right - Closed Position
Down - Curing Waltz
Left - Improvization
Up - Technical Step
Multi-target Crossbar is the exact same except for R2 where the 4 AOE attacks are mapped where the single target ones are, and Fance Dance II is in place of Fan Dance. I like holding down only R2 for my main attacks so having two separate bars keeps things simple and it's easy enough to switch between them based on the situation. L2 + R2 I have the exact same setup as my multi-target R2 except for some Role Actions in a couple of spots. This is for convenience when using Flourish on my single target bar so I don't have to switch bars when using it. Double click L2 is my other Role Actions. Double click R2 is my single target R2 attacks and Standard Step because the single target attacks are the Dance Steps and so it's mainly just there as a quick convenience for Standard or Technical Step while on my multi-target bar.
You can easily just map your AOE stuff to L2+R2 and you should be good. For whatever reason I just don't like holding L2+R2 in for a sustained amount of time.
I think it's 8. So either they're just being hyperbole or they got a ton of alternate accounts.
Or actually can you have 8/9 retainers per character?
I'm a noob so here's a noob question:
I thought DPS aoe'ing was a bad thing? Because it pulls aggro? As a DPS, specifically a Bard, should I just play it by ear or should I usually be AOE'ing or not?
You were smart for leaving. I was just annoyed that I looked up that individuals logs only to find out that they're a green parsing BLM and have the nerve to talk down to Marie who is parsing orange.
You usually want to aoe 3+ mobs. It's a much faster way to kill them all instead of going one by one. Also, if a tank can't maintain aggro in 5.0 it's probably cuz their tank stance is off.
I can only speak for easy content like dungeon or similar, but ideally the tank try to take the biggest pack of mob possible to maximise DPS damage with aoe. It allow those dungeon run to go much faster. Tank have the tools to keep aggro on multiple mobs, if the tank know how to use them obviously.
Tanks have perfectly good tools to deal with AoE aggro. Depending on your class, once there are 2-3 targets present, AoE is the best thing to do.
As someone who is going through the game as a Bard right now, I don't think I've ever pulled aggro off a tank with an AoE. What others have said is right, large groups you should be using your AoE abilities.
I got a lvl 70 BLM (coming from SMN) and I am still getting around the rotation, etc.
I am a bit confused, but trying to practice as much as possible to not be too shit during dungeons/trials.
I am a bit confused, but trying to practice as much as possible to not be too shit during dungeons/trials.
Do you by any chance used to be a WoW player? Because I remember I had the same mentality coming in from WoW and how AOE-ing were a big nono lol.
With the new expansion it's super effortless for tanks to maintain aggro, and even before that all tanks have an AOE rotation, and since every trash mob pull is a group pull anyway so go crazy with AOE spams.
This has never been the case in XIV(well maybe in 1.0 I guess). If there's 3 targets or more, it's pretty much always good to aoe, regardless of which class you play. Some classes had a bit more finesse in the past(TP classes had to manage TP obviously, and MNK had Arm of the Destroyer which was only good at like 6+ targets and so on) but with ShB they reworked every DPS class to have a good strong aoe rotation of at least 2 buttons, quite often more, while at the same time making tank threat trivial.
You should always be aoeing unless it's down to ~2mobs then it depends on the skills and class(some skills are still worth using on 2 targets, some are not). If your tank isn't holding aggro, they're either 1) not in tank stance, get them to turn on tank stance, they won't keep aggro single target either 2) not using their aoes damage skills, so tell them to do it, cause they do both aoe threat but also do more damage than their single rotations, just like DPS. 3) dead.
I've gotten to 76 on my AST and I've got to say the tools for healing have improved, but I still find AST healing at 76 still inferior to how SCH and WHM felt at 76. Horoscope is nice but it feels awkward to use since rather than something that makes healing just stronger, it makes it stronger but it's also a group heal button in and of itself and I sometimes forget to press it again.
Iam at 78 with my ast and i have to say it just feels super clunky to play because of some of the super long CDs. I am sure they will address it a bit because it sure feels weak overall.
Somewhat of a random question. I've been on the fence on jumping back for a few months - is there any way to get the game files loaded/updated without an active account? Just from the launcher it looks like I can't even update to current without an active sub.
I looked at AST for the first time earlier today actually, some of the skills look so bad tbh. Like why is Celestial Opposition 2mins cd still? Shit fucking sucks, it has to be the worst heal in the game from a healer class, it's worse than the DNC 1min heal(if ppl are stacked granted). Horoscope looks like a shittier version of Plenary? Unless I'm misreading the tooltips, I'm still not 100% sure of what it does. The cards ain't so bad though, it lacks any sort of meaningful choice as there's no reason to hold cards or plan ahead, just play whatever you draw that you don't have a seal for, but it's like, not awful at least.
Definitely not looking forward to lvling this crap until it gets buffed in 5.05, or later. I actually like SCH too so don't feel like lvling other healers in general. I wouldn't mind getting Energy Drain back(without mp regen, just for damage) and a potency boost to Ruin II so it's not a potency loss to single weave it, but other than that I'm cool with the class.
You can make a trial account and dl with that, but it won't be the full thing. Still better than nothing though.
Definitely not looking forward to lvling this crap until it gets buffed in 5.05, or later. I actually like SCH too so don't feel like lvling other healers in general. I wouldn't mind getting Energy Drain back(without mp regen, just for damage) and a potency boost to Ruin II so it's not a potency loss to single weave it, but other than that I'm cool with the class.
You can make a trial account and dl with that, but it won't be the full thing. Still better than nothing though.
You can have an extra one if you pay a subscription for the garbage app
Yea AST healing just feels like I am doing so much more work healing than the other healers. Really a lot of feels like potency issues and oddly long CDs for things that don't seem they need to be long like like Celestial Opposition. That skill is not good enough to need a 2 min. CD. I'll reserve final judgment until I hit 80 then I can really compare all the healers at 80.
Ah.
How much is that sub? Is it worth it for the extra retainer? haha
3 or more enemies, AOE. Don't worry about aggro. With the new changes to Tanks and TP, unless the tank is literally not pushing any buttons, you should never pull aggro from them.
It's £4.50 a month, you also get double saddle bag space. The app itself has premium currency on top of the subscription fee 😒
So that would be $5 USD... Yeah, I'll just deal with what I have now...
I actually think the problem is that the new abilitys don't feel good compared with what is lost though the new card system. It just no fun to play, but to be fair it's my only healer.
It took me a while to figure it out but Horoscope has two functions: When you press it it puts you and nearby party members under the effect of Horoscope which makes Helios or Aspected Helios heals stronger. If you press Horoscope a second time it is a group heal button but only for those under the effect.
I think...
That's the general consensus I'm hearing with AST. As an 80 WHM, it feels shockingly weird how little I've needed to use cure 2 this expac, even in big trash pulls. I've only just hit 430 so I haven't done any EX content, but from what I hear it's not too much different. Maybe things will be different with Eden and Savage though.
This is my set up, works great for me except sometimes i accidently un dance partner sometimes
I'm okay with that until I can do a full transfer. I'm not even sure I'll stick with the game, but as long as I can play with him for now I'm happy. Thanks!
Chaosthorn I have a similar setup at 60 except I keep AoE buttons, Standard Step, and En Avant on face buttons because it allows me to use them on the move. I can hit directional buttons while moving but it's a little awkward. My four AoE buttons are on R2>L2. Are you using expanded hotbars?
I pretty much only use Cure 2 if Afflatus Solace and Tetragrammaton aren't available which isn't too often. Occasionally I'll have to spam Cure 2 on a giant pull. WHM feels great to me right now. I wanna love AST but it has made an awful first impression at just 70.
One tip, if you like the classes involved:
The Arcanist, unlike, afaict, every other class, has two specializations. They can at level 30 either become a Summoner, a DPS job, or a Scholar, a healer job. But they share the same EXP pool and most of the same types of equipment, so you get both a DPS and a Healer job leveling up at the same time. This means you can play through all the solo story content on your DPS and do all the insta queue party stuff on a healer. It's as simple as unequipping and re-equipping one item.
I dont have much problem using them on the move, as i slide my finger from the right stick over to the left stick for a second
Gotcha. I bring over my left index and crab claw it.
Always interesting to see other setups and their reasoning, usually gives me ideas on how I can improve my own layouts.
It sounded like Seto was voiced by the guy who played Barristan Selmy but I could be wrong on that.
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