Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers |OT| First World Problems

Nov 5, 2019
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So is the best way to learn EX and Savage content to just jump in on party finder? I'm thinking about starting with some EX fights at 80 now that I'm mostly geared up from running the new 5 man and with random blue tomestones. I'm at ilvl 446 right now, if that is helpful.
What a video (I watch MTQcapture) -> Find a learning group -> Wipe lots -> People leave -> Rinse/repeat

Start with: Innocence -> Titania -> Eden 1 Savage -> Hades or Eden 2 Savage -> Then continue to Eden 4 Savage.

Overall, pretty fun raids as long as you actually clear them and don't get stuck in limbo (which is easy to do for Hades).
 

B.K.

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Oct 31, 2017
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Does anyone have any macros for 70-80 gear? Not really having any luck finding any and I'm not good enough at crafting to make my own.
 

Fiye

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Does anyone have any macros for 70-80 gear? Not really having any luck finding any and I'm not good enough at crafting to make my own.
Depends what gear? LOL

For 70 though I would just do.

Reflect -> Prudent Touch until your quality bar is at about 14% then Innovation -> great Strides -> Byregot's Blessing and then finish with Name of the Elements -> Brand -> Brand -> Brand.

Throw in a Manipulation before your prudent touches if you need more durability.

This is me theory crafting a level70 rotation with absolutely no idea what your stats are btw. If you have Teamcraft Desktop you can play with their rotation app and see what happens. Either that or do something on CUL (Its usually the cheapest anyway)

Edit: Also if you need more CP check the price of NQ Matcha on your server it might be dirt cheap. Either that or buy NQ Blood Bouillabaisse from the crystarium.
 

Fiye

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2207 craftsmanship. 2089 control. 541 CP. Without food or specialist.
I did this with a lv80 recipe. Anything lv79 or lower I would take one Delicate Synthesis out and then do however much synthesis you need at the end.

/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo Macro Finished! <se.1> <se.5> <se.6>

 

Fiye

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Oct 29, 2017
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Thanks. Crafting always goes over my head.
NP. In case you're wondering how my head theory went.

Start with Reflect. After level69 it replaced Inner Quiet and unless you're trying to quickly synth HQ lv70 and below stuff or newer stuff it can't be beat.

Manipulation for the early durability regen.

Innovation and Ingenuity are kind of interchangeable to me at least (Inb4 I get rekt by ppl who know their shit)

Delicate Synthesis is OP and provides progress while giving you a drip feed of quality while (mostly importantly) increasing your inner quiet stacks. Use this until you can't anymore without finishing the recipe early.

Prepatory Touch is really good at increasing quality so use this sparingly since it also eats up a lot of durability (Depending on durability left you might want to use this while under the effect of Waste Not)

Once you're high enough Great Strides -> Byregot's Blessing to finish. Then touch up with progress. Basic Synthesis is 120% and free, Careful Synthesis is 150% and costs 7 CP, and Observe + Focus Synthesis is 200% and costs 12 CP. Use whatever fits your CP costs and in your macro.
 

Pyros Eien

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I definitely don’t understand how they could have cheated in such a super hard fight. They are just better than everyone else most likely. If they cheated wouldn’t Yoshi p see it?
It's not an unheard thing, there's been exploits in some fights before, as well as more general exploits. For example some I can remember, in Final Coil 3, you could Bane extremely buffed up dots from the vulnerable adds onto the boss to do stupid amounts of DPS to phase it and skip the hardest part of the fight(Bennus). This prompted a fix to Bane in general to remove that possibility in future fights but iirc the world first used that strategy, partly because it was an obvious application of Bane mechanics anyway(dot the add, then Bane back onto the boss to keep dots up on both). Another for a more general exploit was when people found a way to use PotD(or maybe it was HoH) pomanders in actual fights. A bunch of people got banned for this one.

So it's always possible, although it's generally unlikely a world first would use these especially one that's under scrutiny, unless you're an idiot and want to get banned.
 

scy

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Oct 25, 2017
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They changed the vulnerability mechanic itself and not Bane (switched to an HP Down instead of Damage Taken Up). And it's kind of a stretch to liken using a vulnerability debuff with an actual exploit like using Pomanders elsewhere or /ac Ungarmax. One is something that's ban worthy, the other is just developer oversight.

Edit: For other context, A2S was basically designed around the concept of Baning Vuln'd DoTs. It's basically a lesson learned from T12 going forward that Vuln and adds need to be checked to make sure there's not some unintended side effect like that. It's also worth noting, world first for T12 didn't do the Bane DoTs anyway as far as this conversation goes.
 
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Fiye

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Feeling called out right now LOL.


Apparently you have to feed the heart all 4 crystals to make it fuck off instead of killing it. This gives you a buff that does something.
 

Kuosi

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I did this with a lv80 recipe. Anything lv79 or lower I would take one Delicate Synthesis out and then do however much synthesis you need at the end.

/ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/echo Macro Finished! <se.1> <se.5> <se.6>

Can also throw Innovation in there pre Prep touches for 100% and there's room for reuse too if you dont need the end echo
 

aceface

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fucking eh, that mechanic is a huge troll.
So you have to drag the heart through the crystals, which forces you to do the mechanic "wrong" from how it worked on A12S. So, it's actively going against people's memories of how the mechanic worked in the previous battle. Now I can see why there is such a long gap between first and second, all it would take is someone messing up, putting a crystal in the wrong spot, and having the heart go through it to see that something happened. But these people are too good to mess up and drop crystals wrong lol
 

Fiye

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That mechanic absolutely rules.

You see your future self do the mechanics properly only to eat it to the lasers so you have to repeat it without knowing what debuffs you had with the knowledge of the safe space is.
 

Kalentan

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Oct 25, 2017
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From the posting safety of Imgur, I post two more glamours for my character... I'm starting to get addicted and I'm running low on funds. Please send help.

You can also always tell it's a Kalentan glamour because there is so. much. red. metallic. dye.

I wasn't originally going to make a set using the raid armor but It felt okay so long as I didn't use either the leggings or the boots. (I'm using Leon's pants actually)
 
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Miletius

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Reddit really out her defending New Game+ not giving XP.
There's always somebody out there on the internet... as they say.

Accidentally bought the ilvl 360 gear for my newly 70 dark knight. Now I'm outta tomestones so I'm stuck with it for a while. Q-Q. Maybe I'll just run trusts and just slap that on instead of grinding out the additional tomestones for upgrades right now. All I really think I should replace is the weapon.

At least it looks pretty awesome, do have to say. The Ryumyaku stuff looks way better than the Scaven stuff to me.
 

Rellyrell28

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Earlier today I turned in some skybuilder stuff for scripts so I can buy some Perception VIII materia and bought VIIs instead. I was pretty salty about that.
 

Monstress

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Meh, I'd love to live the HW story once more while leveling my Monk instead of spamming POTD and dungeons.
 
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Fiye

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New Game+ with EXP and armoury bonus would be absolutely broken. You could take a job from 50-70 doing HW and SB back to back (Skipping the 3.x portions).

I can't say I'm biased. I've leveled 8 different characters from 0-70 and 3 of them are done with 5.1 to the point where I can unlock the ShB custom deliveries though. Honestly if you want to run through MSQ I highly recommend doing it when your server becomes preferred.
 

Zuly

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I am not oppossed to XP rewards for New Game + but I'd be worried on how that would affect leveling dungeons if people decide to skip roulettes for NG+. People cheesing and removing gear prior to queuing for Alliance Roulette already heavily affects queue times for Alliance Raids that are not Crystal Tower.
 

Kromeo

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From the posting safety of Imgur, I post two more glamours for my character... I'm starting to get addicted and I'm running low on funds. Please send help.

You can also always tell it's a Kalentan glamour because there is so. much. red. metallic. dye.





I wasn't originally going to make a set using the raid armor but It felt okay so long as I didn't use either the leggings or the boots. (I'm using Leon's pants actually)
I always assumed your avatar was something from Kingdom Hearts lol
 

Pyros Eien

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The only decent way new game + could give xp is if they only gave xp upon completion of an entire chapter, and if the xp wasn't the original amount but like a scaled sidequest equivalent amount.

The first point because it'd be absolutely broken otherwise since you could just take the first quest of the chapter, do it, reset and restart, and some of them basically take like 2minutes to do if you skip cutscenes. People would 100% bot that, and it wouldn't even be hard to write a shitty script to do it using autohotkey or even programmable keyboards.

The 2nd because even if you do the whole thing, the amount you get from normal MSQ while skipping cutscenes/dialogues is really high, and it'd reinforce people not grouping up for anything but the forced MSQ dungeons, which there's not that many of. People would just figure which chapter is the fastest, and just run that over and over and every other dungeon wouldn't get queues, nor would roulettes(to a certain extent). That's just terrible for the game.

I'm not against a nominal amount of xp(the equivalent of sidequest xp I think is reasonable, it's not good xp, but it's something) but there's no way they'd give MSQ xp for New Game +, and rightfully so, because it'd ruin a lot of the other content. Ultimately the point of New Game + was purely replaying old content, not leveling up, it simply lets you replay stuff without having to make an entirely new character that has to unlock everything and farm glamours and all that.
 

Rellyrell28

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I am not oppossed to XP rewards for New Game + but I'd be worried on how that would affect leveling dungeons if people decide to skip roulettes for NG+. People cheesing and removing gear prior to queuing for Alliance Roulette already heavily affects queue times for Alliance Raids that are not Crystal Tower.
I've never understood this complaint as I'm pretty sure those who are leveling are doing roulettes as well while leveling up like running a New Game+ with XP should really be no different than someone new leveling up and stuff and don't see how it's hurting newer people even then if it was a roulette you couldn't do yet wouldn't it still be efficient to save and temporarily leave New game+ and do the roulette for the xp and then go back in.
 

komaruR

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some macro i used before.
this one i used when i got the i430 hq gear with 440 primary. nothing over meld, just melding VIs on the garentee slots
might need majorly hq mats to hq if you dont have good craftsman and ctrl stats.
Code:
lv78 (431 cp)  80dur
/ac "Reflect" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
then as i slowly craft my i460 hq primary and secondary i switch to this. works on lower lv76 craft too i suppose
Code:
lv76 (for over stats) 80dur
/ac "Reflect" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Innovation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Great Strides" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
this one works on all 71 to 80 non star 40 dur crafts. might need the minimal stats of 430 gear?? dont know since i got all my crafter to 80 before the skill change so nvr tried much of it for lower lv craft. definitely will work if you over stats too.
Code:
lv78 (425 cp)  40dur
/ac "Final Appraisal" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Muscle Memory" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Manipulation" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me> <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <me> <wait.3>
and if you lv80
Code:
low lv (<70)
/ac "Trained Eye" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Intensive Synthesis" <me>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <me><wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis" <me><wait.3>
 

Meicyn

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Oct 27, 2017
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I don’t think NG+ should give full MSQ levels of XP, but it shouldn’t be zero either. You could take the XP gain and divide it by 5 or something (spitballing here) and it would be at least something for your time. Just to prevent someone from firing up NG+ and resetting it endlessly, could make the first few quests give nothing, then further ones give a fraction of the normal amount. Keep it at a level where dungeons and roulettes are still the best way to get XP.

I’m running through the Heavensward story again for the first time since when it debuted, and I can’t help but be annoyed that there is literally zero XP being given. XP isn’t the reason why I’m reliving old content, but it is annoying that almost every activity in this game, including PvP, gives some semblance of XP or whatever for your time. I hope they make some adjustments in a future patch.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So I got Min to 50 pretty easily.. So now how I do proceed? Keep doing leves or those collectable I have no idea how they work? What about gear, can I just keep using NPC gear? Maybe leveling BTN?

Is the first time using gatherers since 1.0,so I'm pretty lost.
 

aceface

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sooo weird there hasn't been a second clear of Alex ultimate. Streamers are getting close! Where's the hardcore groups that don't stream? World second might be a streaming group at this point.
 

aceface

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DPS check on the last phase looks really tight. Bringing 2 casters might have been the key for the WF group.
 

Naru

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In all my Copied Factory runs I have only seen healer gloves and boots drop. Nothing else for healer has ever dropped on my runs. What the hell.

Edit: What the hell am I talking about... I have the chest piece too and the head piece just dropped.
 
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