This would make sense except for the fact that you have no idea what quality of player you're getting unless you check FFLogs for everyone that joins. And if you're doing that, you're going to know whether that NIN is better than the SAM anyway.
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Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers |OT| First World Problems
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Statistically the average SAM does more than the average NIN. That's the math. Dunno what to tell you.
I doubt they're ever going back to questlines for existing jobs and we'll probably stick with role quests going forward with a new job quest at the cap.
That being said I'd suspect they'll still give any new jobs a small questline.
yeah, i've been noticing almost every boss or trial roulette, several people have no idea what the STACK MARKER is for. the same mechanic that's been around for YEARS. it's really infuriating how much those skip potions are ruining the entire game experience.
And quite frankly if you're one of the people checking FF logs for clear parties for EX roulettes, you're probably a bellend anyway.
I don't know why this went into healers shouldn't DPS, that's not what I was talking about, when no healing needed I'm spamming my one button attack while keeping my dot, but despite all that I still can't cross the 3k mark, so no, I'm DPSing, just deemed not enough by the community.
I also found out yesterday that there is no way to check how you are doing on PS4 unless you pray someone in your party is on PC and uploading logs, so this is such a great situation to be in.
I also found out yesterday that there is no way to check how you are doing on PS4 unless you pray someone in your party is on PC and uploading logs, so this is such a great situation to be in.
exactly. i've seen plenty of lvl 70-80 BLMs who have low DPS because they're always running around and not casting. huge loss of DPS, hardly "top tier".
Let's be realistic. This was a problem even before the skips.
I just don't bother chasing after people who run away with the stack marker because I know I'll just die too.
I've been in enough groups to know that 3k from a healer in PUG content is a blessing compared to sitting there at full mp waiting for any sort of damage like I see far too often. So know that those people are wrong.
When you get into raid content, 3k depending on the job can be considered low. Especially because the fights are tuned around gear level that is inaccessible for the first few weeks unless everyone is playing at an above average level. That means mean you may be spending more GCD healing than necessary in which case optimization comes into play. It takes a little bit of practice in a fight before you know there is no point in keeping people completely topped off for the next minute and that it can wait for that cooldown to come back, let Regens not be wasted and tick people back up slowly, have a single Target ogcd for the tank buster, etc. With how many tools they've given healers, it's crazy how little we need to cast actual heals.
Seen some comments about how much of an afterthought those lv80 job quests are but I found the quest for SCH rather sweet
Finding the cure for the sickness that took over that ancient civilization that turned them into Tonberries has been the focus point of the SCH storyline. And on that quest you finally find the cure and even restore one of the tonberries to their original form.
AST are doing 5k+ just fine atm. That's half the dps of a melee, that contributes to shorter fights by quite a bit
Yeah, when Shadowbringers launched, people tried to rest my fears of no Job Quests by saying "Well the developers say the lvl.80 quests are as long as a full set of 4-5 previous job quests put together into one quest", but then I did the DRK lvl.80 one and it's like 5 mins, and no battle instances, no twists and turns, and is just like a nice little epilogue to "goodbye job quests, you were a good thing while you lasted"
And again, it's pretty lame that they didn't even put the minimal effort to do the same thing for the crafting/gathering job quests. There are NPC story characters still chilling in Kugane because that's where the last quest left them like Armorer. Would've at least like a 5 min epilogue like the battle jobs got.
The role quests are not a good replacement at all since they're never specific to your character since you could be one of 3 or so and just about some new character's story that you watch. Especially coming from DRK storyline this was a big step down. I haven't done Fishing though, so maybe that's more like a normal Fishing job storyline since there's no other jobs that can share that role.
I feel like a lot of stuff in this expansion was sacrificed to "focus on the MSQ story above all else" and /shrug don't think it was worth it even if it was a good MSQ. FFXIV's always been about the multitude of interesting stories to experience besides the MSQ and this feels missing that to a degree.
I'm hoping they get enough complaints that they go "we just didn't put job quests in because you were on the First in 5.0, now that you're back, job quests are back in 6.0 to continue the stories"
Well Black Mage and Scholar definitely moved some shit forward and those 80 quest were good. Summoners despite liking the whole story was pretty meh though.
Really if we're going off average performance in the lower half of the performance stats, you should be targeting BLMs and Machinists, because they do more at the low-end than monk or SAM. Really, if you're doing anything other than 4x BLM you're not locking your party to what gives you the highest damage potential per slot, so there's obviously some sliding scale of import here.
I think the sort of lynchpin is that player performance has to be so bad for enrage to be an issue that job impact just doesn't register.
I joined a clear party last week and when we eventually cleared, the damage spread looked like this:
I just can't think of a situation where the assumed risk of taking a NIN is such a detriment to party ability to clear it's worth sitting in PF longer; if they're so bad they render it unclearable, you just rep them. But if they're really sandbagging that hard, they'd probably be sandbagging on another job as well and you'd be better served just swapping them out for their play than preguessing based on job.
Because there's a strain of healers who object to having to DPS and it always comes up when discussing DPS expectations because some people want it to be zero.
Like, in all seriousness-- you're new at this, and AST is the worst healer at doing personal damage. You're going to have a learning curve. Someone earlier suggested posting your logs on The Balance for critique, but I'd just suggest sort of looking in to how people play the job use it to do damage. 3k is low because it shouldn't be too hard to reach--Combust ticks + earthly star exploding should give you 700 or so DPS before you throw in Malefic, and if Malefic is coming in at 10-12k per cast, even at the lowest end you're looking at less than 15 Malefics a minute to come in around 3k. With ~24 GCDs per minute, that leaves like 9 GCDs each minute to heal, which seems like a ton. This is all super rushed math and assuming the worst, but given how few GCDs are usually spent on healing, 3k should be reachable.
It sucks that the game gives zero feedback to PS4 players. It makes it harder for console players to figure out what they're doing. But if you're motivated to work on it, that's like half of it. The other is just grinding stuff out, doing the background work, figuring out where you're under-utilizing oGCDs, whatever.
In my experience, people will be a lot more willing to work with you if you're obviously trying and struggling. There are a lot of people who don't try, and there'll be a group that immediately assumes that's you and judges you for it, but seriously just putting in effort or asking questions will let people know your current performance is more about experience so far than just checking out once hp bars are full.
I think the sort of lynchpin is that player performance has to be so bad for enrage to be an issue that job impact just doesn't register.
I joined a clear party last week and when we eventually cleared, the damage spread looked like this:
None of the top four jobs and all DPS were heavily underperforming. Still a clear, because the bar is so crazy low.
I just can't think of a situation where the assumed risk of taking a NIN is such a detriment to party ability to clear it's worth sitting in PF longer; if they're so bad they render it unclearable, you just rep them. But if they're really sandbagging that hard, they'd probably be sandbagging on another job as well and you'd be better served just swapping them out for their play than preguessing based on job.
Because there's a strain of healers who object to having to DPS and it always comes up when discussing DPS expectations because some people want it to be zero.
Like, in all seriousness-- you're new at this, and AST is the worst healer at doing personal damage. You're going to have a learning curve. Someone earlier suggested posting your logs on The Balance for critique, but I'd just suggest sort of looking in to how people play the job use it to do damage. 3k is low because it shouldn't be too hard to reach--Combust ticks + earthly star exploding should give you 700 or so DPS before you throw in Malefic, and if Malefic is coming in at 10-12k per cast, even at the lowest end you're looking at less than 15 Malefics a minute to come in around 3k. With ~24 GCDs per minute, that leaves like 9 GCDs each minute to heal, which seems like a ton. This is all super rushed math and assuming the worst, but given how few GCDs are usually spent on healing, 3k should be reachable.
It sucks that the game gives zero feedback to PS4 players. It makes it harder for console players to figure out what they're doing. But if you're motivated to work on it, that's like half of it. The other is just grinding stuff out, doing the background work, figuring out where you're under-utilizing oGCDs, whatever.
In my experience, people will be a lot more willing to work with you if you're obviously trying and struggling. There are a lot of people who don't try, and there'll be a group that immediately assumes that's you and judges you for it, but seriously just putting in effort or asking questions will let people know your current performance is more about experience so far than just checking out once hp bars are full.
That one is nice, as is the DRK one but the MCH and SMN ones (and I guess SAM) are just weird afterthoughts.
Like the MCH one is
You go see what Hilda and the other girl are doing, they are trying to be better MCH teachers, MCH man says "hey, how about we inspire them but try not to be obvious?" You do it and they see you and catch on to your plan but are still inspired anyway. The End.
Like, it's just a big massive nothing. And I don't even remember what the SMN one was.
blame bad players and how Yoshi doesn't want them called out.
but yeah like ExtremelyBitter said, just practice. Get used to relying on Star to do most of your healing (In the current ex fights, as AST you do not need to cast a single GCD heal). Use all of your tools,so you should be aiming for 30+ cpm as an AST as well. I still do think posting logs in the balance can be super helpful if you are unsure of why you are doing so little dps. There are always obvious checks you can make when looking at logs, namely cpm, and overheal, then also seeing how many GCD heals you used.
This is how some healing looks like for me on Titania
https://www.fflogs.com/reports/JG1qKjD942Nr7pYh#fight=1&type=healing&source=5 (the overheal on star was cuz my SCH cohealer loved to spam succor)
and then for Inno
(again gotta love pug healers that love healing over my stars)
Also keep in mind, that I'm not great, and you can find way better players to look at for an example.
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Yeah probably just the ones I've done then, I haven't done everything that hit 80. PLD was awful(and not just the story but the way it's done too), MNK was whatever although it had a slightly interesting character in it, DNC was ok because of how it's done but really doesn't add anything(then again the DNC job quests were pretty bad to begin with so eh). I should probably do SCH/BLM since I have these too, just after these 3 I didn't bother doing the others.
The role quests were nice but don't really replace class quests. I guess it does take some effort since they keep adding classes but honestly that's definitely worth it even if they have to cut like 30% of the sidequests and something else, job quests were always kind of a highlight of the leveling experience, although many of them sucked it was still interesting to see.
Yeah, this was a big appeal to leveling alternate classes for me.
How do I check these percentile thresholds for a fight on fflogs? I've been poking around but can't seem to find it.@75th for Titania
I didn't mean to say that such a thing couldn't be helpful, because it totally can, but it can also be sort of intimidating when you're new to walk into a room of strangers and be like "why am I bad at video games?"; especially when you're starting out and the feedback is probably going to be push buttons/roll your GCD.
+it's compounded by the PS4 player problem where you don't even necessarily have a 'good' run to link if all that got uploaded were memes.
I remember I did a duty as a whm and got no commendations but then I did the same duty as a blm and got all 3 commendations. the hell?
Yeah being a PS4 player is legit disadvantage when it comes to optimization and doing higher end content. It's even worse that they know parsers are virtually required for world first prog and ultimate, yet they choose to not allow addons solely because they don't want bad players getting called out for being bad.
It 100% is. It's the least, focused on the hot bar, job in the game for me by far since you are basically only looking for one type of proc after your 2 step combo. It makes it so you can focus on mechanics and situational awareness much more.
I loved it at first in SB because the kit was basically complete at 50 and all through leveling, then turned on it a for more complex and satisfying jobs to carry out, but then returned to it hardcore when eureka launched and how exhausting it can be do play any other dps job optimally for such extended periods of time. The same was true when it came time to farm primals for mounts. You can contribute best in job dps easily and still be there to save runs when people die. I saved so many shinryu runs with insta Rez the healers probably didn't notice someone died.
People in pre-made parties can't commend each other. If it was a 4 man duty and you got all the comms as a DPS, the other three people were probably in a party
Naw. They were so amazed and awed by my high dps while dodging skill shots that they all gave me commendations and stood up and clapped.
I wouldn't worry too much about it, I've been healing in this game almost since ARR launch and I'm still not super great on dps. Honestly If I can hit around 50-60th percentile on fflogs for a savage fight I'm pretty satisfied. And I don't always do that! That might make me bad but whatever, my group is clearing the fights. As you play and get more practice you'll get a feel for the healing downtimes where you can be dps'ing- and this goes for individual battles as well. Our group's first clear I always have low dps as I'm being more cautious with GCD heals to make sure everyone stays alive. As long as I know we can clear before the enrage I'm not going to go balls to the wall on dps- my focus is more on mechanics and where healing is necessary. But as we get more practice on a fight I get better on picking out the gaps for dps, and where an ogcd heal or regen is enough, etc. The other good thing about my group is that my cohealer is all about that high dps/low heals life so we balance each other out nicely.
For parsing, try to join a group/find a friend who can parse your runs and post them on fflogs. Hell if you are on Primal and want to do some Titania hit me up (Tomo Takino on Ultros), I still need 5 more totems.
If you mean when you meet the brown coat hrothgar then yes, thats the end of gnb questline.
This is actually something incredibly reliable. The children that apply weird 1% meta to rest of the game like it even remotely matters there are usually the bad kinda players anyway. It's kinda like people that pick "top tier" character in fighting game, when playing random bronze ranked online, and rage quit from half the matches cuz they somehow were under delusion of being anywhere remotely good enough for tier list to even apply to them.
Won't know until 2 years from now when next expansion drops, really. Could go either way.
This is completely fair, but to qualify I think a lot of the prior discussion was basically pivoting around the earlier suggestion of week 1 Savage PF Prog, particularly if you get out of the first couple of fights it can be useful to have a realistic understanding of how people might react to a given level of performance (I still think people are mostly just going to wall AST out of PF Savage prog parties entirely unless the healing buffs are good, but.)
It's hard to really talk about anything comp or performance wise because the game has like 15 sliding scales of Actually Matters that mostly revolve around if you're having fun, but I was reading it as more 'am I going to get shit from people in Savage PUGs for doing low-to-mid-2ks on AST?' and I think the answer there is probably yes and it's worth being aware of/maybe trying to change before wading into whatever PF has on offer. It's also useful to have the relative idea of where that is viewed, performance-wise, if you're looking to find a group, so that you know what kind of groups will/won't work out most likely.
If you have people you like to run with that can clear stuff, that should always trump everything, but if we're talking the wild jungle of PF it turns into a math problem and I'd rather have people overly cautious than blindsided when groups start removing them at enrages.
Honestly I think it's pretty fucked if people locked AST out of PUGs seeing how non-shit whm/sch can basically both solo heal due to kit bloat atm. Ast do well enough as a co healer. I dont really view healing as the issue due to how overkill whm/sch are atm. The real issue is how freaking absurd whm dmg is.
This is probably true. I've been away from pugs for so long I'm not even sure how they would react to healer dps in the greys. I know it's not possible/desirable for everyone but finding a group of like minded people to run content with it made a huge difference in terms of my enjoyment of this game.
One thing I've always thought was iffy about fflogs is it doesn't take gear into account, right? Like it's assuming everyone is using BiS. Most people in a pf group are all over the place gear-wise, some people being near minimum to enter and some people being near max which can easily be a 30-40 ilevel spread which would change the numbers.
I've never been anywhere near BiS in my life of playing because I don't do much savage beyond the first 1 or 2 max and I don't do tomes so I'm usually kitted out with whatever the normal raid gear is + a little higher. So then during Stormblood I'd view my FFlog comparison and would not be able to tell if I'm around 50% because I'm not optimizing or because a lot of people above me are playing the same but with better gear on. Wasn't very helpful for me as a NIN in Stormblood doing Savage/Ex runs on PF.
I've never been anywhere near BiS in my life of playing because I don't do much savage beyond the first 1 or 2 max and I don't do tomes so I'm usually kitted out with whatever the normal raid gear is + a little higher. So then during Stormblood I'd view my FFlog comparison and would not be able to tell if I'm around 50% because I'm not optimizing or because a lot of people above me are playing the same but with better gear on. Wasn't very helpful for me as a NIN in Stormblood doing Savage/Ex runs on PF.
And I'm telling you that you have no idea whether you're getting an average SAM or NIN when they join unless you're checking FFLogs. They could be garbage.
if you are checking fflogs and restricting non-dupe jobs in ex primals please post your char name and server in the thread so we all know not to join your pfs
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