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Final Fantasy XV: Episode Ignis |OT| That's it! I've come up with a new DLCeh!
- Thread starter Koozek
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Id really like it to be noctis's
10 years.Its the only thing that the story is gravely missing. Ravus got plenty of fair treatment in this episode . That or do a post game arc with the alt ending.
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Really makes you appreciate him more when you use him ROFL
Okay i'm assuming the alt. ending for this episode is basically this:
That part when Noctis defeats Ardyn and he asks whether or not he's going to banish the daemons or erase him from history again? It's basically option #2; Ardyn is defeated but Noctis refuses to sacrifice himself to destroy his soul.
Also, since i love for my predictions to be confirmed:
I was right -- Izunia was Ardyn's brother. That explains both how the crystal could choose another chosen, and Ardyn still hold the power of kings -- they both held it from birth.
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I really want that but then that's what comrades is for i guess, but then i'm with you.
Spoilers for the other ending.
I literally laughed my ass off when Ravus turned around with that beard. That looked dumb as fuck lmao. Why do they keep putting beards on people to 'age' them.
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I overall really liked it and I don't mind at all like "alternate history" takes on an ending (also oh boy,
However yeah, the one thing i'm really kinda confused by is
i didn't expect an ending on the actual entire game)
However yeah, the one thing i'm really kinda confused by is
How the fuck is Noctis alive. Isn't the whole principle of defeating ardyn and heck, theme of heredity, consequences and death kinda thrown out the window ? I don't mind having an alt good ending, it's actually pretty fun. But I would've liked my own bone in telling me how Noctis doesn't succomb in that end since he still has to defeat the scourge (and obviously they do), hence sacrificing his life to do so
It sounds as though he was checking his resolve, but he was just trying to save his life. Since he knew the journey would end with Noctis sacrificing himself.
From then on they just show you the scenes from the main game from Iggy's perspective, now that you're aware that he knows Noctis is going to have to kill himself.
-It gives perspective into how Ignis was able to stay so emotionally sound during the train ride and malboro fight. Gladio is mad about how bitchy Noctis is acting while Ignis is maimed, but Ignis knows what's still coming for Noctis, and just wants everyone to get along.
-Also immediately after Noctis is absorbed into the Crystal, you can see it grate Ignis because he knows whats happening.
From then on they just show you the scenes from the main game from Iggy's perspective, now that you're aware that he knows Noctis is going to have to kill himself.
-It gives perspective into how Ignis was able to stay so emotionally sound during the train ride and malboro fight. Gladio is mad about how bitchy Noctis is acting while Ignis is maimed, but Ignis knows what's still coming for Noctis, and just wants everyone to get along.
-Also immediately after Noctis is absorbed into the Crystal, you can see it grate Ignis because he knows whats happening.
I believe Ardyn actually gave Noctis this choice at the end of the main game.
It's really vague, but i always got the impression that the Scourge of Stars has happened in the past before, at least to some degree. Perhaps the old kings found a way to halt it but it just kept coming back because Ardyn is immortal?
So this alternate ending to FFXV would actually open the game up for a sequel. It's the most emotionally uplifting ending, but it's not the one that was supposed to happen.
It's really vague, but i always got the impression that the Scourge of Stars has happened in the past before, at least to some degree. Perhaps the old kings found a way to halt it but it just kept coming back because Ardyn is immortal?
So this alternate ending to FFXV would actually open the game up for a sequel. It's the most emotionally uplifting ending, but it's not the one that was supposed to happen.
Well the most obvious difference between this and all the other one situations is:
that the Crystal wasn't in the immediate vicinity. I mean if the Crystal had infinite range for all of the Lucis powers, then for what reason would the Nifs invade Insomnia to take it in the first place? I think it's also implied that Regis needed the Crystal in Insomnia to keep the wall up. The moment they attacked the chamber holding the crystal, the wall fell. So who knows, Noctis+Ring+Crystal may = significantly more capable power.
Now if the question is why didn't Noctis do this AFTER he emerged from Angelgard, then who knows. He still didn't have the crystal near him, but at that point he's supposed to have absorbed most/all of its power into the ring....or perhaps this doesn't actually happen until he sits on the throne and calls upon the kings? I mean once they attack him on the throne, you see their souls go into the ring. Who knows.
Now if the question is why didn't Noctis do this AFTER he emerged from Angelgard, then who knows. He still didn't have the crystal near him, but at that point he's supposed to have absorbed most/all of its power into the ring....or perhaps this doesn't actually happen until he sits on the throne and calls upon the kings? I mean once they attack him on the throne, you see their souls go into the ring. Who knows.
Anyway I really liked this dlc. It's very fitting that best bro would of course deliver on the goods.
Ravus was awesome and I wished we had gotten to see more of him in the main game. Honestly, I was kind of on his side when he wanted to kill Noctis as the Nox Fleurets have been repeatedly fucked over. The scene of him of him grieving over Luna was well done and it just made me wish this had been in the game from the beginning. The cutscene direction was vastly superior to the main game...like hot damn. I loved the option to switch the camera angle around during that one scene.
I didn't mind the non canon ending. It was just shits and giggles to me. Idk if I was just me but the fight between Ignis and Ardyn seem more intense/better than the final boss fight between Noctis and Ardyn??? Anyway, I feel like they're setting up Ardyn's dlc to be about his downfall and betrayal from his brother. All I need is that Episode Luna announcement and I'll be straight.
I didn't mind the non canon ending. It was just shits and giggles to me. Idk if I was just me but the fight between Ignis and Ardyn seem more intense/better than the final boss fight between Noctis and Ardyn??? Anyway, I feel like they're setting up Ardyn's dlc to be about his downfall and betrayal from his brother. All I need is that Episode Luna announcement and I'll be straight.
Oh yeah that's true !
In the end, really it's just a slight difference really and the themes are more or less the same, although now we have a positive turn to it. I think i still prefer the canon cuz it makes a bit more sense to me but I also really enjoy that they had the balls to do something like this
Had fun watching the alternate ending and the (finally) pre-rendered cutscenes bringing amazing graphics back into FF. Other than that I'm reminded how much sucks XV's battle system and how much I hate it. Coming from XB2 is so much more evident. Clunky, bugged, unpolished, messy. What a terrible entry all over -.-'
BUT... ARDYN rocks, that is true!
BUT... ARDYN rocks, that is true!
No you aren't alone lol.
Although hypothetically, she actually might have had somewhat of an exciting time during her escape from Insomnia.
Really enjoyed this DLC, favourite of the bunch I think. The story expansion seemed more significant and I think the boss fights added felt like some of the best, even including base game ones.
Also think ignis feels one of the best bros to control outside of Noctis and he does...awesome stuff in the DLC.
Also think ignis feels one of the best bros to control outside of Noctis and he does...awesome stuff in the DLC.
Also found it a little funny the alternative ending is actually more of a good ending, compared to the true ending which now feels the bad ending, ha ha.
Good for you? Saying she lives and breathes solely for Noctis isn't even true especially when that would be a lot more fitting for Ignis or Gladio specifically Ignis. This whole narrative that she isn't capable of fighting doesn't even make sense when Tabata literally confirmed pre-release that you were going to fight with her (which unfortunately got scrapped) and her weapon is literally a trident. I wish ya'll would just say you don't like or give a shit about Luna instead of making of up lowkey sexist reasons as to why she isn't capable of having her own dlc.
I hope Tabata Tensai would consider making it goofy cute anime girl anime type DLC where you do cute things with Genti-chan, like drink tea and maybe pillow fight. With option for PSVR.
Since they started introducing non canon stuff to the game, Episode Luna has the possibility to be many things including her transformation into Ste...
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What do you mean with "Ardyn gave him the choice" though? The only way this alternate ending would make sense at least somehow with the established lore would be if Noctis merely killed Ardyn's physical manifestation, but didn't fully kill him in the Astral Realm inside the crystal or wherever that is, so yeah, the world would still not be really saved and the Starscourge could reappear.
And yeah, the whole reason why the Astrals gave the crystal and ring to the Lucii and appointed a king and oracle was because of the Starscourge thousands of years ago:
And yeah, the whole reason why the Astrals gave the crystal and ring to the Lucii and appointed a king and oracle was because of the Starscourge thousands of years ago:
Nope, same here^^
Her DLC is going to take 30 minutes to complete, with a 4 hour long alternate route that's just
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Did we play the same game? She lives and breathes solely for Noctis. Oh, and she collects stickers.
Replaying the game right now, and the framing of a lot of the game suggests this, sure. Weirdly enough a lot of missable content suggests she is super duty driven and cares for her people a hell of a lot, so....
The whole of the game presents her as a jesus-like figure capable of creating miracles and absolving sin (read: starscorge) while also having a romance that extends both to and beyond her calling. The tragedy of her character is that she was never given a choice ever. She knows she is going to die, she knows that Noctis is going to die, she knows she has no say in any of this because either she dies or everyone dies along side her, etc etc.
Also, thats not to mention that she serves as an emotion equivalent to the Zero->X relationship in megaman x, wherein she represents the endgoal of dutifulness that Noct eventually has to become. She represents what noctis is missing, since up until chapter 7, he couldn't care less about the happenings of the world outside of "i secretly want to see luna again, but don't wanna admit it".
Also, thats not to mention that she serves as an emotion equivalent to the Zero->X relationship in megaman x, wherein she represents the endgoal of dutifulness that Noct eventually has to become. She represents what noctis is missing, since up until chapter 7, he couldn't care less about the happenings of the world outside of "i secretly want to see luna again, but don't wanna admit it".
But sure, she's only in it for nocts sweet sweet stickers, sure....
She is literally shown to have powerful holy magic...
Imagine playing a white-mage and you got her DLC is likely to play out.
Well yeah it wasn't Ardyn's choice, it was Noct's choice. But I assume the only reason he mentioned "erase me from history again" is because it's happened before, hence there's a way to temporarily halt the Starscourge without the chosen sacrificing themself.
I assume that's what happened at the end of the alt ending. Which is why it actually opens the game up for a sequel. Because yes, that means Ardyn isn't actually dead and the Starscourge WILL reappear. It's a "happy" ending...but it's not really a happy ending. Because it's just going to happen again. Hence, "I will eventually have my revenge"
But I think the real takeaway from this isn't the implications with Ardyn, Noctis, or the Starscourge, its that this alternate ending is the one that would be most desirable to Ignis personally.
He would personally take the choice to keep Noctis alive over the fate of the world or the crystal's calling.
I assume that's what happened at the end of the alt ending. Which is why it actually opens the game up for a sequel. Because yes, that means Ardyn isn't actually dead and the Starscourge WILL reappear. It's a "happy" ending...but it's not really a happy ending. Because it's just going to happen again. Hence, "I will eventually have my revenge"
But I think the real takeaway from this isn't the implications with Ardyn, Noctis, or the Starscourge, its that this alternate ending is the one that would be most desirable to Ignis personally.
He would personally take the choice to keep Noctis alive over the fate of the world or the crystal's calling.
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This also ties into your question about why Ignis would even think of asking Noctis to abandon the journey. Of course Ignis knows better than anyone else (even Noctis himself) why they shouldn't.
But after he found out Noctis was going to have to sacrifice himself, he asked anyway, on the off-chance he'd say yes.
But after he found out Noctis was going to have to sacrifice himself, he asked anyway, on the off-chance he'd say yes.
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She lives and breathes solely for her divine calling, to "purge the star of its scourge"....which, yeah involves Noctis. The game states that she's the youngest ever oracle due to her devotion, which is why Gentiana has been trailing her throughout her whole life.
I think you don't really "get" Luna in FFXV until well after you've beaten the game and see just exactly why she's so devoted. Chapter 12-14 happens abruptly, but it becomes really obvious by the end of the game that she's the only one in the whole game who's been taking it as seriously as they should have been.
Luna is basically Yuna except with no summons, guardians, or luck.
and a pen pal boyfriend
Heh that was ok I guess. Splicing in Kingsglaive stuff and stills with narration still feels cheap. First act I glitched out twice and my attacks would no longer register on enemies until I reloaded my save. I think these episodes have looked progressively worse. Still think Gladio's was the most graphically polished of the bunch. Highlight was probably Ardyn putting his hat on that soldier and tipping it.
And wtf at this crownsguard casual costume reward?! Looks the same as the crownsguard fatigues just without gloves. Lame!
And wtf at this crownsguard casual costume reward?! Looks the same as the crownsguard fatigues just without gloves. Lame!
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The canon one. While I understand why Ignis character at that point seemed out of place, the reason why he brought it up is because of the vision he had and I guess him naively assuming that perhaps he can alter the course of things.
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I think I'm going to have to take a break from XV threads because making sexist jokes at the expense of female characters isn't really my cup of tea, however, I at least wanted to say that I agree with this. She has flaws and does talk about Noctis but to act like that's all she does is just...disingenuous to me. Especially when literally everyone talks about Noctis constantly. Like this dlc is literally solely about Ignis' devotion to Noctis. But this is all I have to say about this now.
Also make some Lunafreya stickers SE. I'll buy that shit.
Case in point: this scene. Luna has moments where she shows other motivations, but it's hard to deny that she's "living solely for Noctis" when she basically says exactly that herself.
Granted I haven't actually seen all of the cutscenes that were patched into the game, so maybe they retconed in some additional motivations for her.
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None of the added cutscenes alter her motivations really, but where i was coming from is present in a lot of the missable content. (Specifically the radio, man there is a lot of world building and character stuff in there that people miss >.< (including myself since most of it is stuff i didn't notice until my 3-4th playthrough))
Finished the DLC, although I wasn't able to beat Ardyn in the optional ending yet. Something about the time limit is making it a challenge, and the fact that I didn't leave myself enough items. I had to quit for now, but I'll try it again tomorrow. If I can't get it by then I'll just switch to easy mode.
But anyway, I want to say, overall, the direction of this DLC is really good. In fact, I'd say the way the cutscenes are directed and everything comes together, I would actually like to see the director of the Ignis DLC take on Final Fantasy XVI (or a future mainline title). There is something about the way everything comes together that just feels 'right' to me, and what I would expect from Final Fantasy. The only thing is the DLC just needs more polish. But seriously, this DLC has some of the coolest moments in the entire game.
But anyway, I want to say, overall, the direction of this DLC is really good. In fact, I'd say the way the cutscenes are directed and everything comes together, I would actually like to see the director of the Ignis DLC take on Final Fantasy XVI (or a future mainline title). There is something about the way everything comes together that just feels 'right' to me, and what I would expect from Final Fantasy. The only thing is the DLC just needs more polish. But seriously, this DLC has some of the coolest moments in the entire game.
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Holy shit I wasn't expecting the friendly battle to be intense as it was
If I learn Quick Recipeh in the main story do I get to use it there after I beat it?
If I learn Quick Recipeh in the main story do I get to use it there after I beat it?
She definitely cares about the world and has moments as a martyr / Jesus figure who heals random people. But ultimately, Luna is defined by how the game presents her (as all fictional characters are). The radio stuff is a neat touch, but it's barely a footnote compared to the emphasis that the game puts on the relationship between her and Noctis.
Hence why people can come away with the impression that she "lives and breathes solely for Noctis". That's where the game puts its focus, and it's sufficient to explain pretty much all of her actions, so many players end up interpreting her character through that lens.
It's cool that they included the healer stuff, don't get me wrong. But when you're dealing with fictional characters, presentation = reality, and they barely presented her as a healer at all.
Thank you! Same here. :) I was lucky enough to see it in theaters and was completely blown away by the experience. Couldn't stop thinking about it for weeks. It has become my new favorite anime movie too! A day zero purchase for me when it comes out in blu-ray in the states!
Noctis mad cheap
Each dlc looks better, optimizing the engine has done wonders. Should be quite the looker once it arrives on pc early next year.
Each dlc looks better, optimizing the engine has done wonders. Should be quite the looker once it arrives on pc early next year.
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What i love is that all that cheapness comes over to the main game too since AI noctis uses the weapons you give him (no hp drain for royal arms when noct is an ai btw).
I'm doing a level 1, no heal items run and noct keeps stealing my damn kills when i play as the other bros >.<
Oh and this might help you out:
When you are downed as Iggy, you can still roll and if you hold triangle for a few seconds, you get out of danger.
You don't really need potions to res him :)
Yeah, i do agree that the game has a framing problem when it comes to Luna.
It could be easily fixed too by adding in basically 2 cutscenes (1 of her as a child becoming oracle and finding out what that really means and what a burden that is, and one of her doubting her calling only to reaffirm herself) so, yeah...
Are you referring to the final one to Noctis? All he said was "Your Majesty" you can read his lips.
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Uhh, i think you added a quote from a different thread :P
Anyway, yeah he says "Your Majesty" at the end.
About Ardyn
Erase me from history again, because he was the Savior, he cured the people, he was the King and Oracle. But he was betrayed by his brother Izunia. Izunia took Ardyns name, he made a demon out off Ardyn, and erased everything Ardyn was before. This is why Ardyn said "erase me again".
I maybe the only one, but i didn't like the story from the Episode Ignis at all.
Why would Ardyn play with Ignis just few seconds after giving the ring to Luna and saying to her "Give the ring to Noctis"? His whole purpose is do defeat the chosen king, or to die finally after waiting for so long. What does he get from playing games with Ignis and telling him so much about the his past? This is just another way that to me producers don't get it how to tell the story right.
And don't get me started on that alternative ending, it destroys the whole story for me. Why even put it there, when the best part about the game is the ending? The best part was seeing Noctis giving everything, defeating Ardyn, and then that scene at camp... it was so emotional, and now? Yeah, who cares, we have alternative ending...
Also, why would Crystal talk to Ignis? xD It doesn't make any sense...
And don't get me started on that alternative ending, it destroys the whole story for me. Why even put it there, when the best part about the game is the ending? The best part was seeing Noctis giving everything, defeating Ardyn, and then that scene at camp... it was so emotional, and now? Yeah, who cares, we have alternative ending...
Also, why would Crystal talk to Ignis? xD It doesn't make any sense...
But i did like
Ravus, but now i am afraid what they are gonna do to his story.