I really feel like this thread is conflating two different things and assuming that it resolves an overall debate about 4K. Question 1 I'd characterize as "is current hardware powerful enough to target native 4K without resulting in undesireable trade offs?" Question 2 is "assuming better hardware could guarantee no performance trade offs, does 4K provide a discernible benefit?" With current hardware, this is a YMMV situation as different people desire different things, but I do think it's fair to say that current hardware is not up to snuff. Even on the PC side people that have little/no budgetary concerns weren't hitting settings like 4K ultra @ 60 FPS locked (haven't really followed 2080 Ti benchmarks though). So if the argument is that better image quality and higher locked framerates should be prioritized over targeting native 4K then I get it. But the idea that the Pro (or X) aren't dazzling just yet on 4K TVs and thus we've proven that now and forever 4K is worthless is just bonkers to me.
When we started this gen and some journalists were acting like most consumers wouldn't notice the difference between 1080p on PS4 and 720p on Xbox One they were rightly mocked. To act like the same isn't potentially true here is just nonsense.
But that's not the argument people are having in this thread. "4k is an upgrade, OP!" Yeah, it is. The question is whether that horsepower couldn't be better spent elsewhere.
That's a valid point for the current gen. I'm not a dev, but my (possibly wrong) understanding is that adding effects to the same base game takes more effort than increasing resolution. Or from the other end, removing effects to meet the minimum specs takes more work than lowering the resolution. So I think seeing the X and Pro as strictly "resolution enhancing machines" is fair, and it's a fine use of the product in a vacuum.I think one point to keep in mind is that devs still have to support the base consoles for everything they put out. I assume that limits the kind of enhancements they can muster, not to mention that the industry would prefer to keep to the marketing wave of 4K and HDR as the next step of TV upgrades.
You bought a LED tv and not a OLED there your problem good sir, but to each his own but seriously my jump to 4K OLED HDR makes is so worth it insane how good it looks.
I saw OP's TV at Best Buy today. Don't buy that TV. The NU7100 would sour me on 4K HDR too. The NU8000 is about $200 more but is a far better performer. The step up in HDR performance is instantly noticeable. It's still edge-lit though, which might be a deal breaker to some. To get a 65" full-array backlit Samsung TV, the Q8 (over $2K) is the cheapest model. That's nearly 3x the price of the 7100.
Budget electronics have their place. It's just silly to judge an entire spectrum of technology based on the entry level products. It's like saying PC gaming is overrated based on a $800 prebuilt PC
even on a LED TV you can tell, I have a 55" Samsung KS8000 and I haven't had a single person not be able to tell how much better the 4K looks especially in games like Assassin's Creed: Odyssey
Pretty fucking much. 4k is such a jump in image quality that I sometimes forgo high refresh rate gaming for higher resolutions.
Overall, I'll choose 1080p/120Hz over 4k but for some games 4k just works, especially for HDR content.4K is a noticeable improvement, but playing games at 120hz was much more of a "wow" moment for me personally.
Can't agree at all, hell, even games stuck with 1080p looked better on my new TV thanks to the panel tech going forward.
LG OLEDs are out of this world.
Oh man I'm so tired of this ridiculous claim. I use 3 different screen resolutions between home and work displays and I can go back and forth between 1080p, 1440p and 4K without any problems.Wait a few weeks and then play some games at 1080p. That's the moment when you realize how important is to play at 4K.
No, it doesn't. You still see jaggies in 1440p and you can still easily see individual pixels. I use 1080p, 1440p and 4K screens every day.Even 1440p looks like a massive step up from 1080p. Sorry OP, you've got something wrong somewhere down the AV chain.
Why you gotta be so regressive about framerates?
Do all brands even offer OLED 4KTVs? I was under the impression that OLED was tech exclusive to LG (or ws it Samsung? I cant even remember).You bought a LED tv and not a OLED there your problem good sir, but to each his own but seriously my jump to 4K OLED HDR makes is so worth it insane how good it looks.
Do all brands even offer OLED 4KTVs? I was under the impression that OLED was tech exclusive to LG (or ws it Samsung? I cant even remember).
Do I need to buy a specific brand to get an OLED 4KTV?
I'd take 1080/60 over 4K/30 any day of the week.
I was able to do a similar comparison recently when I was over at a mates house who actually has a system that can do 4K/30 at decent settings and the only person I know who has a 4K TV, while the 4K image was very nice and there was a difference, the 60fps over 30 was a much bigger difference, like it wasn't even close with what we thought looked better.
LG and Sony have OLED TVs in the US but I believe all of the actual OLED panels themselves are made by LG.Do all brands even offer OLED 4KTVs? I was under the impression that OLED was tech exclusive to LG (or ws it Samsung? I cant even remember).
Do I need to buy a specific brand to get an OLED 4KTV?
1440p 60 is the sweet spotI hope next gen give us the option of 4K or 1080p\60fps max settings and for it to be a standard in all games... I would totally keep my current 1080p TV and choose this option.
So after reading some peoples responses did some of you actually choose to play Forza Horizon 4 for example in the 4k stuttery blurry mess mode over the smooth as silk performance mode?
Do all brands even offer OLED 4KTVs? I was under the impression that OLED was tech exclusive to LG (or ws it Samsung? I cant even remember).
Do I need to buy a specific brand to get an OLED 4KTV?
I don't own an Xbox/PC, but are you saying the 4K mode is blurry and the lower res mode is not? That seems kind of strange.
I don't own an Xbox/PC, but are you saying the 4K mode is blurry and the lower res mode is not? That seems kind of strange.
I don't own an Xbox/PC, but are you saying the 4K mode is blurry and the lower res mode is not? That seems kind of strange.
What do you expect from this forum. OP is absolutely right though, 1440p would suffice on a 4k screen, let's up fidelity not resolution.Lol, half of the people responding didn't even bother to read OP.
OP said that native 4k Output Like movies looks great. Current consoles struggle to hit that native 4k Output though, they still produce a better image just not as clear as he wished it would be.
He fears that next generation will use all the extra GPU power to reach 4k instead of improving the graphics like better lightning, shadows, draw distance, frame rates etc.
In other words: he fears that games will be the same but rendered closer to 4k.
Instead of reading half of you just shout out that there is a difference between 4k and 1080p. Lol, He admitted that.