Finland Prime Minister to implement 4 day workweek and no more than 6 hours a day [UPDATE: Finnish Govt says it's not happening. See threadmark]

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GK86

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Finland's 34-year-old Prime Minister is set to establish new rules limiting the workweek to 4 days a week and no more than 6 hours a day.

Sanna Marin wants workers to spend more time with their families.

She has been Finland's Prime Minister for less than a month and she says the move toward greater flexibility is driven by several things.

First she says it allows Finlandians to spend more time with their families and experiencing culture.

It's also designed to increase productivity.
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SasaBassa

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Literally the right direction meanwhile North America is having trouble removing its collective head from its ass. Finland ain't perfect (no country or region is) but good to see progressive things with scientific background take root, not being driven solely by profit to a select few individuals.
 

TeddieBear

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Is that enough to make a living wage?

24 hours a week for me would not be enough to pay my regular bills.

Then again, I don’t make a living wage to begin with.
 

Azerth

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doesnt this mean people will get paid less as they work less? i have no idea how finland pay and stuff works just curious
 

El_TigroX

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Really want to see how this plays out. If salaries stay the same, with less time... going to be interesting to see how productivity fares.

If productivity doesn't at the very least stay the same... going to be an interesting experiment to watch.
 

Dyle

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24 hours a week seems crazy low. I can't imagine that the productivity gains of a four day workweek would make themselves present when spending so little time at work.
 
Finnish Government says it ain't happening

btags

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I just saw an article stating this is not a thing. Here is a tweet saying so:


"In the Finnish Government´s program there is no mention about 4-day week. Issue is not on the Finnish Government’s agenda. PM @marinsanna envisioned idea briefly in a panel discussion last August while she was the Minister of Transport, and there hasn’t been any recent activity"
 

KillerMan91

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As a finn I want to correct some things from this report. She wanted to have either 4 day week with regular 8h workdays or 6h workdays for normal 5 day week. Not 4 days and 6h workdays. Also she said this in august at the gathering of her own party members so before she became prime minister. It's not official government policy.
 

clevbrowns95

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Meanwhile in America, work is our life. I'm lucky enough to work a 40 hour week, but so many are not.
 

The Albatross

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That's the sort of 4-day work week I can get behind. The 4/40 would never work for my schedule (1 hour commute, child in daycare, dog, activities scheduled during normal non-working hours of the workweek).

My work is still pretty good about hours... I almost never work more than 40 hours a week, probably never in the last 5, 6 years. Maybe like once in 8 years did I put in a legit week over 40 hours for some super unusual reason. My old job was a 35-hour workweek officially, but because we were so poorly planned and managed, we had crunch which was ridiculous because nobody was doing anything important.
 

T002 Tyrant

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Anyone in America considering this, Americans still need to pay American income tax on top of that countries' tax while living abroad.
 

Pottuvoi

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This is nice.

I know someone who did 6 hour a day for a year and he really liked it.

I'm sure people would like it as an option.
 

Protome

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doesnt this mean people will get paid less as they work less? i have no idea how finland pay and stuff works just curious
The idea behind a four day work week would be that you get paid the same amount as you would currently. I'm not sure how that translates to people who are paid hourly though.

And do they need any software developers of average talent?
Important questions that need answers!

24 hours a week seems crazy low. I can't imagine that the productivity gains of a four day workweek would make themselves present when spending so little time at work.
Studies tend to show that the increase in spare time to spend on hobbies/socialising/familystuff/whatever means people are healthier and happier and more productive as a result. I do agree that this seems like a really short week but I'm sure they've got data to back up that choice.
 

BabyMurloc

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Finn here. Unfortunately this isn't happening, it was just a thought experiment. And the idea was either 6 hours per day or 4 days a week.

At most what she can do is fight back business interests rabidly trying to increase the length of the workday.
 

jcvd2097

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As a finn I want to correct some things from this report. She wanted to have either 4 day week with regular 8h workdays or 6h workdays for normal 5 day week. Not 4 days and 6h workdays.
Yeah, this. Much more reasonable. She brought this up before becoming PM as well. Not going to happen anytime soon I'm afraid.
 

emag

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This is nice.

I know someone who did 6 hour a day for a year and he really liked it.

I'm sure people would like it as an option.
I just switched over to a 6 hour workday (with a somewhat greater than 25% effective salary cut). It’s much better for my mental (and physical) health. It’s only temporary, but it really helps with juggling caring for kids/parents while still being employed.
 

Tovarisc

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I just saw an article stating this is not a thing. Here is a tweet saying so:


"In the Finnish Government´s program there is no mention about 4-day week. Issue is not on the Finnish Government’s agenda. PM @marinsanna envisioned idea briefly in a panel discussion last August while she was the Minister of Transport, and there hasn’t been any recent activity"
GK86, add this to OP
 
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Even though they're not actually implementing it, on the subject of it we really do need to move away from tying how long a person is at work to productivity. Like sure put me in the office for 10hrs, but you're literally paying me for about 6hrs of productivity, and 4hrs of me just being there. Longer work hours and work weeks does not equal more productivity.

US has a high level of productivity despite that not because of it
 

Mr. Poolman

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Is that enough to make a living wage?

24 hours a week for me would not be enough to pay my regular bills.

Then again, I don’t make a living wage to begin with.
At my work, we don't get paid by the hour, we get paid by work done. If you do all your work on a hour, good for you, you can do whatever you want.
Also, i get to work 4 days from home.
 

Azerth

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The idea behind a four day work week would be that you get paid the same amount as you would currently. I'm not sure how that translates to people who are paid hourly though.
maybe its cuz im used to american companies but wouldnt the company pay people less if they are working less or would there be something in the law that would stop that
 
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