Fire Emblem Heroes |OT| Armor Breeding Simulator

Bonejack

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Fgrima didnt release together with Mgrima so Mcorrin not being in this banner matters little. If anything it implies that we will get a Mcorrin alt soon, probably legendary
It matters in this case since your point was "can't happen because one can't be something the other can be". I pointed out that alts for double-gendered heroes musn't happen at the same time and don't have to be the same type of alt.

Basically countering your point. Just look at Robin and Corrin. FRobin is infantry mage, infantry lance, flier dragon, while MRobin is infantry mage, armoured dragon and amoured lance. MCorrin is infantry sword, infantry dragon and infantry archer, FCorrin is infantry dragon, infantry dragon, flier mage, and soon infantry dragon again.
 

NSESN

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It matters in this case since your point was "can't happen because one can't be something the other can be". I pointed out that alts for double-gendered heroes musn't happen at the same time and don't have to be the same type of alt.

Basically countering your point. Just look at Robin and Corrin. FRobin is infantry mage, infantry lance, flier dragon, while MRobin is infantry mage, armoured dragon and amoured lance. MCorrin is infantry sword, infantry dragon and infantry archer, FCorrin is infantry dragon, infantry dragon, flier mage, and soon infantry dragon again.
I never mentioned that they need to be at the same time, I just said that they have their counterparts
 

Strider_Blaze

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Man, Berkuts art and spritework is savage and bonkers. IS didn't screw around with poor Rinea. Also it's kinda fitting that Duma-blessed Berkut is indeed a pure powercreep on regular Berkut.
I tell you what, regular Berkut didn’t exactly set a high bar to begin with lol. Had a pretty unfocused stat line on top of a pretty lackluster skill set. He could end up being a budgeted version of his fallen counterpart if he’s able to obtain the Kriemhild via weapon refine, provided one hasn’t summoned Fallen Berkut. Otherwise regular Berkut pretty much doesn’t seem to have much use outside of skill inheritance for his lance.
 

jugemu

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Oct 31, 2017
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Berkut looks like a fine addition to my tap battle team lol.
Finally someone to replace Arvis with.
 

blueliquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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Update's out. Bow of Devotion gives +4 to Atk/Spd/Def/Res if enemy initates combat and uses a 2 range weapon. Special refine is basically Quick Riposte 5 (guaranteed followup if HP >= 50%).
 

Strider_Blaze

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Update's out. Bow of Devotion gives +4 to Atk/Spd/Def/Res if enemy initates combat and uses a 2 range weapon. Special refine is basically Quick Riposte 5 (guaranteed followup if HP >= 50%).
Not bad. So that makes it the 3rd unit to essentially have a “QR5.”

HotsauceDragon wait would OG Berkut manage well with Kriemhild, assuming he would get it? I mean considering he’s arguably easier to access combated to his fallen version. And maybe swap out water boost with distant defense, and I could at least see him being pretty decent.

Edit: Oof! Sully and Stahl still have their triangle advantage weapons and have the same effect refines as Cain and Abel.

Lukas: Retains his slaying effect on his PRF weapon on top of sturdy stance being its eff refine.

The artwork for Fallen Delthea his a pretty big contrast to the OG one. Is that suppose to be what she looks like in canon?

She has glacies (so hopefully decent RES), DB3, and has Even Attack Wave at 4* rarity.

Her prf weapon: Death

Description: Grants Res+3. Grants Atk/Spd/Def/Res+4 during combat. After combat, if unit attacked, deals 4 damage to unit.

Hmm if she has decent speed as well, sounds like another good candidate for the good ol’ desperation skill!
 
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Shaymin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Stats:
HP | AT | SP | DE | RES
Mareeta 42/33/41/29/23, Spd/Res superasset, Def superflaw
Berkut 40/35/1735/30, Atk superasset, HP/Spd/Res superflaw
Corrin 43/35/37/31/27, Spd superasset, Res superflaw, TRAINEE BST
Tiki 45/36/34/37/28, Def/Res superflaw, 180 BST total
Delthea (blue infantry tome): 41/36/33/19/28
 

Ahnez

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fallen Delthea has Even ATK wave at 4*, and her weapon has basically Fury 4 with less recoil.
 

Wilsongt

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean... i know it's another fallen heroes banner, but...

Did the world really need another F!Corrin alt?
 

Iori Loco

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Nov 10, 2017
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Ok, i'll play the devils advocate ... the "touch-hearts" on her chest are on purpose, right? ^^

For a budget build, i think keeping Axebreaker is the best option, or a chill skill that's available via a grails unit at best. Same for her A-skill, HP/Spd works best on her. C-skill might be worth a change though. I'll usually run full or nearly full flier teams, so she has Goad Fliers for me. Maybe Guidance, if available? Always a useful skill.

Dunno ... she's more limited than BLyn due to being colored. Though a Brave Bow build should take down even the sturdiest red fliers. It hurts her that cav units are pretty much locked out of nearly all special cooldown lowering skills, especially if you plan on keeping her default weapon. Doesn't help that she has bad magical endurance due to lowish HP and Res.

Maybe Firesweep Bow, either with Darting Blow or Savage Blow seal, Poison Strike for B-skill and Savage Blow for C-skill? Ultra annoying, and should still deal with fliers and blues well enough on initiation. Keep Swift Sparrow or go with LaD3 ... or Atk/Spd Solo if you're feeling expensive.
Lol, didn't even noticed the hearts, I took a screenshot before that one but some info got obscured by me touching the hud to take the screencap, so the second one I had my fingers above it to avoid it.

I guess I can give the brave bow a try on Sue since I haven't pulled a Faye yet (Thanks for removing her from the pool, IS), I'm tempted to give her C skill to someone so L!Azura can give a +7 in all stats to a unit when danced but I always have my doubts when foddering 5* exclusive units.

Thanks for the input.

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Gotta take some notes from those builds, thanks. I'm not ready yet to fodder my only Laegjarn, tho. I never thought of giving her a blade tome but it may be very useful for challenge maps where her prf tome won't even work most of the time. I'll give it a shot if I ever get a Tharja.
 

Kansoku

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Oct 25, 2017
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The more I look at it the more Delthea seems to be blue OG Celica, which is fantastic. Gonna slap some Brazen Atk/Spd and Desperation on her and call it a day. Now we just need a green one to complete the trio (Sonya alt IS)
 

Jims

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Oct 27, 2017
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Lukas' refine is disappointing. Compared to a Def Slaying Spear, Daybreak Lance just gains him 6 Atk for trading 2 HP. Wish they had given him built-in Guard or QR or something instead.
 
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Gotta take some notes from those builds, thanks. I'm not ready yet to fodder my only Laegjarn, tho. I never thought of giving her a blade tome but it may be very useful for challenge maps where her prf tome won't even work most of the time. I'll give it a shot if I ever get a Tharja.
If you want to use her in AR, just give her HP+5 as her A slot. I rarely fight with her, just use her to burden the enemies
 
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HotsauceDragon wait would OG Berkut manage well with Kriemhild, assuming he would get it? I mean considering he’s arguably easier to access combated to his fallen version. And maybe swap out water boost with distant defense, and I could at least see him being pretty decent.
Yeah, it's the ease of access to copies of original Berkut that would make him nasty if he ever got Kriemhild in an update.
 

Cronogear

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Oct 27, 2017
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Looking at stats and skills, this might be the most egregious powercreep banner I've seen in this game.
 

Sterok

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Oct 25, 2017
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Lukas powercreeps Shiro twice in a month, and Corrin hits 175 BST bin with a merge. Glorious times.
 

Bonejack

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Oct 27, 2017
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Well, at least Tiki only has superbanes. Honestly, she shouldn't have a super-effective effect on her breath. If one could reliably tank her with other dragons, she wouldn't be that annoying. Guess i'll bite the sour pill and build my +7 Julia (thanks pity breakers) with the Close Counter refinement and Mirror Stance.

Normally, i have little issue with Liki, and i've fought countless of +10 ones with Fortress Def/Res, as i have enough green tanks that handle her well enough. Especially Titania has been MVP against her. But against a colorless dragon, i need to have a dedicated counter outside of overpowering them with a Falchion.

Mareeta is fast, okay. Corrin is (for me) even more nasty than Tiki. All this access to cooldown reducing stuff, plus access to three tile movement due to her being infantry via Vallazura.

Berkut is great, stat-wise. Mixed tanky as heck for a cav unit.

I almost wanted to say Delthea is a bit lackluster, but then her weapon passive came back into mind. Fury 4 with less recoil, effectively 40 Akt / 37 Spd / 23 Def / 32 Res in both phases. Just slap Fury 3 (4) on her and see her go into Desperation mode almost immediately, or Brazen Atk/Spd to make her more broken in the lower HP range. Or just keep DB 3 or go with 4 for consistent ass-whooping on initiation, slap the Darting Blow seal on her for the luls.

Great free unit. Really, really great unit.

Refinements! Kinda ... lackluster. Not really interested in any of them. Shiro again gets outdone, but at this point that's no achievement but a running gag. He has no business in the 5* pool, not even as a 4* - 5* unit, he either needs to get the boot like the old Gen 1 units or a straight demotion to 3* - 4* with an upcoming weapon refinement.

Not a fan of those TA effect weapons, but i'm glad they get some additional stuff, as the base versions are pretty much useless at this point, outside for some very specific things.

Gotta see the duel sim on wether Oboro or Lukas will be the better infantry lance to build up.

And now for the best thing ... THANK GOD for IS finally realizing and fixing the seal equip screen. No more scrolling to death. Best.Thing.Ever.
 

Lynx_7

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's hard to get too excited about any blue infantry tome when I already have a +ATK Ophelia but at least Delthea's art is better than her regular one. She'll make for good AA/Squad Assault filler.

Corrin having almost the same BST as Tiki but with more consistent 2-mobility is pretty worrying, but what's new. At this point I guess I should just rejoice at the fact that Sigurd and Seliph will probably be busted whenever they get alts (if the game is still alive after the theoretical Jugdremakes).
 

NSESN

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Luka's weapon isn't that good, Nephnee got a much better base weapon with a similar refine. It only looks good because Shiro's weapon is atrocious
Delthea is the first good free unit in a while
Naesala and Panne was this year
Also Rutger isn't that bad
They've been on a pretty hot streak of good to great free units, there hasn't been a real dud in awhile.

EDIT: I remembered Leo lol.

Unless you're just talking character wise, then sure.
Character wise we just had Haar, but knowing SS89 he probably doesn't like Haar
 
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Naesala and Panne was this year
Also Rutger isn't that bad
I do realize "a while" is quite vague, I was accounting for Naesala being good

They've been on a pretty hot streak of good to great free units, there hasn't been a real dud in awhile.

EDIT: I remembered Leo lol.

Unless you're just talking character wise, then sure.
Haar - mediocre
Rutger - Mediocre
Panne - Mediocre
Naesala - good

So Naesala was the last good GHB

Leo - Bad
Loki - Bad
VTitania - Very bad
Camilla - Mediocre
Laegjarn - Mediocre
Cecilia - exceedingly good

None of these bar Titania has been Canas bad (and she at least is a rare unit type), but we've been on a streak of mostly mediocre free units.
 

Weebos

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Oct 25, 2017
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I do realize "a while" is quite vague, I was accounting for Naesala being good


Haar - mediocre
Rutger - Mediocre
Panne - Mediocre
Naesala - good

So Naesala was the last good GHB

Leo - Bad
Loki - Bad
VTitania - Very bad
Camilla - Mediocre
Laegjarn - Mediocre
Cecilia - exceedingly good

None of these bar Titania has been Canas bad (and she at least is a rare unit type), but we've been on a streak of mostly mediocre free units.
My rankings are different, but I also forgot Haar.

Haar - Bad
Rutger - Good
Panne - Good
Naesala - Great

Leo - Bad
Loki - Fine
VTitania - Fine
Camilla - Fine
Laegjarn - Fine
Cecilia - Great

I was still forgetting some bad/fine ones.
 

Bhonar

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Oct 31, 2017
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speaking of the free units --

which chars (that you can get with Greils) are considered the absolute BEST??

I don't do high-tier AR so I do not want to waste any Greils
 

KefkaFFVI

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I feel V!Titania is fine because of her movement/weapon type. She's mediocre, yes, but honestly most ranged horses aren't great unless you're minmaxed or have a great prf. SM!Eirika is more minmaxed, and better than V!Titania, but not *that* much better. If you're going the bladetome route, Eirika only has 2 more speed on Titania.

Edit: I also think y'all underestimate Picnic Leo. While strictly worse than a 5*+10 Cecilia, his mixed bulk lends himself to TA3/raventome very well. And, as TA3/Raven becomes more necessary to handle Alm, Leo might become more common.
 
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I feel V!Titania is fine because of her movement/weapon type. She's mediocre, yes, but honestly most ranged horses aren't great unless you're minmaxed or have a great prf. SM!Eirika is more minmaxed, and better than V!Titania, but not *that* much better. If you're going the bladetome route, Eirika only has 2 more speed on Titania.
Eirika has IVs too. Titania is basically red Ursula. 1 spd 1 atk difference. The only other real difference is Blue horse tome has way more competition.
ok sweet, thx pal! that way I can specifically invest into 1 or 2 of the chars
Aversa stands out most in AR however. It doesnt stop her from being good elsewhere, but AR is where she stands above. Shes also the only flying mage that can be reasonably merged, so thats really nice.

For other Grail units, WCecilia is extremely good. Naesala is excellent but doesnt work in all teams. Masked Marth is one of the best of the older units. Dragon Slaying is quite nice right now. Navarre is also really good, but requires extremely high investment to take full advantage of.
 

Bhonar

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I feel V!Titania is fine because of her movement/weapon type. She's mediocre, yes, but honestly most ranged horses aren't great unless you're minmaxed or have a great prf. SM!Eirika is more minmaxed, and better than V!Titania, but not *that* much better. If you're going the bladetome route, Eirika only has 2 more speed on Titania.

Edit: I also think y'all underestimate Picnic Leo. While strictly worse than a 5*+10 Cecilia, his mixed bulk lends himself to TA3/raventome very well. And, as TA3/Raven becomes more necessary to handle Alm, Leo might become more common.
ohhh V!-Titania actually might be good too, because there are so few red horse mages! only 3 right? thx for that tip

for Picnic Leo, personally I already have a 5+8 LA-Lilina (and 4+10 Cecilia) for green horse mages, but thx again for extra feedback

Eirika has IVs too. Titania is basically red Ursula. 1 spd 1 atk difference. The only other real difference is Blue horse tome has way more competition.

Aversa stands out most in AR however. It doesnt stop her from being good elsewhere, but AR is where she stands above. Shes also the only flying mage that can be reasonably merged, so thats really nice.

For other Grail units, WCecilia is extremely good. Naesala is excellent but doesnt work in all teams. Masked Marth is one of the best of the older units. Dragon Slaying is quite nice right now. Navarre is also really good, but requires extremely high investment to take full advantage of.
ok awesome, thx for the detailed info

this thread is so much better to get gameplay answers than the FEH subreddit