Have you ever heard Karl Malone speak? He's doing a Karl Malone imitation. He is not doing a "generic black athlete" imitation.
That being said, yes there's no way this would fly today.
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Flashback! Jimmy Kimmel in Blackface mocking Karl Malone
- Thread starter RastaMentality
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Have you ever heard Karl Malone speak? He's doing a Karl Malone imitation. He is not doing a "generic black athlete" imitation.
That being said, yes there's no way this would fly today.
RDJ in tropic thunder is blackface. The intent is to satirize but it's still black face, whatever the intentions are.
Blackface isn't just the original blackface you're talking about.
That's not quite the context of this topic.
Anyway, this type of damage control doesn't help because this sky was something done a long time ago. Kümmel obviously wouldn't do something like that again.
Obviously a bad look for Jimmy, The Man Show or whatever that show was, was awful. I absolutely hated it.
Karl Malone was a massive asshole, so making fun of him is fine, but going blackface for it struck me as odd even back then.
It's not really the same thing is it? I mean RDJ's character was specifically a person designed to make fun of blackface and those who would go that far for a role. Kimmel made himself look like a black man so he could shit on a black athlete(Malone).
It's not really the same thing is it? I mean RDJ's character was specifically a person designed to make fun of blackface and those who would go that far for a role. Kimmel made himself look like a black man so he could shit on a black athlete(Malone).
This is bad and condemnable but the whole point is he's changed and society has as well. Like the infamous Loony Toons disclaimer. It was wrong then and wrong now. But we can't go backwards to preventing things that have already happened from happening. Kimmel is clearly not doing this stuff now
Rosanne is peddling racist shit RIGHT NOW, that's why she was fired.
Rosanne is peddling racist shit RIGHT NOW, that's why she was fired.
RDJ in Tropic Thunder was very expensive prosthetic blackface as a clueless actor among other clueless actors who had strikes against them for their insensitive portrayals of their subjects. It was layers of meta commentary while also itself being mean take jokes. Tom Cruise as fat sweaty Weinstein, Simple Jack, etc.
Some "journalist" is going to say this video has "resurfaced" or that they "found" this like it's a lost artifact like the City of Atlantis or something so they can rake Jimmy over the coals.
No there is a distinction from doing a impersonation of a specific person, and doing a racial caricatures.
Darrel Hammond doing Jessie Jackson, or Fred Armisen doing Obama on SNL weren't rascist caricatures.
The Man Show is easy pickings if you want to go after Kimmel. They way they treated women alone was pretty upsetting even for a lot of people at the time. The difference between Kimmel and Roseanne is how much Kimmel has evolved since those days.
I still don't like when he gets parents to lie to their kids about eating their Halloween candy. So mean.
I still don't like when he gets parents to lie to their kids about eating their Halloween candy. So mean.
People are right to get upset over it on face value, though. I know I did and ended up swearing off the movie before catching it on FX some years later.
There's still a shit ton of people who never came around for the return trip to see that it was bad, but it was obviously bad on purpose to highlight how shitty the practice is.
This is definitely blackface.
The Man Show was awful sexist and sometimes racist garbage.
It's pretty clear Jimmy isn't the same person now as back then, and I know he's pretty good friends with Karl Malone in actuality. Still doesn't excuse the shitty skit, though. If he did something like that nowadays it wouldn't fly and he'd pretty rightfully be fired, I'm sure.
The Man Show was awful sexist and sometimes racist garbage.
It's pretty clear Jimmy isn't the same person now as back then, and I know he's pretty good friends with Karl Malone in actuality. Still doesn't excuse the shitty skit, though. If he did something like that nowadays it wouldn't fly and he'd pretty rightfully be fired, I'm sure.
REALLY? At this point I open these threads just to find "That Guy" and you are it.
Agreed. I do agree with Kimmel's perception of Roseanne though too. She obviously had mental health issues and needs help.
However, this doesn't excuse her comments, so she did deserve to have her show cancelled
He deserves to catch flake for deeming racism is a mental health issue
I don't see anything to suggest Roseanne has any issues with her mental health. She's just a piece of shit.
I dunno man, I remember being shocked at how much liberty he took imitating Governor Paterson and his
blindness.
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/cast/fred-armisen-15101/impersonation/david-paterson-73916
Is the man show even available anymore. I feel like Comedy Central knows how bad it was and has tried to erase it from its cannon (IIRC it was still airing during the years that the Chapelle's Show was at its height)
Absolutely, and even after seeing it and what they were trying to convey, even. I can see how it would still offend.
Jimmy's monologue musing about the Roseanne situation was one of the less reactionary and he actually skewered ABC after the obligatory "the tweet was despicable". This post does sort of have a whiff of whatavoutism but it did make me think. Alot these people/personalitiesp hyperreacting do have stuff in their past that is unpleasant.
The entire point of RDJ's character was that he was doing something incredibly insensitive but was too far up his own ass to realize it.
Pretty much, If this was made recently then yeah. But it's old as hell and Jimmy has long since apologised and hasn't done it agin since that I am aware of. So what relevance does it have to anything happening now? The fact that Sean Hannity is the one who "found this" is telling
You can do an impersonation of someone without using makeup to appear as the same race as someone; standup comedians portray all sorts of people vocally and through mannerisms without dressing themselves up to look like someone.
Whether it's a 1:1 emulation or a caricature, it's still blackface, it's just not as bad. But not as bad is still bad.
I like Kimmel, but his defense about Roseanne is totally wrong even if she's mentally unstable, which she probably is.
Did you see her whole twitter yesterday? She's obviously off her fucking rocker. It's way more than just racism. I'm not sure full on crazy pants tin foil conspiracy is 100% a mental health thing, but it sure indicates something is up to me anyway.
we can all agree him going to bat for roseanne and dismissing her shit as mental issues is a terrible look
Are we really using this moment to try and bring down another person over something from years and years ago as if it's the same thing as what Roseanne is doing now?
She spreads conspiracy theories about a dead person which leads to the harassment of his family. She attacked the survivors of school shootings.
Kimmel is wrong to defend her though it likely comes from a blind "she used to be a good person" point of view that can be hard for some people to simply let go of. It's not worth attacking him for something shitty he did 20 years ago when it is not remotely equal to her purposeful harassment of specific people that is happening today.
She spreads conspiracy theories about a dead person which leads to the harassment of his family. She attacked the survivors of school shootings.
Kimmel is wrong to defend her though it likely comes from a blind "she used to be a good person" point of view that can be hard for some people to simply let go of. It's not worth attacking him for something shitty he did 20 years ago when it is not remotely equal to her purposeful harassment of specific people that is happening today.
In light of his Roseanne defense force tweet: I don't care.
First time ever seeing this clip and it looks like: I don't care.
What do I think? I think I don't care.
The racism and racist action is just mental illness argument will never die when it's applied to a white person. Shit is nuts how this gets pulled every. single. time.
Has there been any actual evidence that Roseanne is mentally unwell or is Kimmel just equating mental instability with ignorance here?
It'd no doubt be one of those "they should've portrayed it in another way" counterarguments.
This is one of those instances where I say that doing it any other way wouldn't carry the same weight, so people getting offended are just necessary for the original work to function as it should.
I don't think this was ever even that controversial until recently. This wasn't like Micheal Richard's meltdown that was a big deal. This was just regular american racism on prime time TV.
it's an excuse. I wish any of the people who excuse racism as mental health would consider the collective mental health of groups that have been constantly physically abused, dehumanized and economically marginalized in this country since the very beginning.
Yet it's always the racist abuser who needs compassion and understanding. Fuck Kimmel
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I'm more concerned with the way he's talking than the makeup. THAT'S the real shit that's throwing my side eyedar off.