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Footage of Michael Jackson ring shopping with a young boy resurfaces
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So you take a post about Jimmy's mom, and Wade's wife and turn it into not trusting Wade, yet you vehemently claim to not having watched the Doc. at all? Like, the hell is your agenda here?
You need to stop posting.
Watch the doc, think for yourself a bit, and then come back.
Anybody that doesn't have HBO can watch the VOD on UK's channel 4 website.
Just get a vpn add-on for chrome, it takes 30 seconds.
Leaving Neverland - Channel 4 VOD
Sure, but it's also OK to side-eye people who'd rather persistently poke at nonsense like 'but the music manipulates you into feeling a loss of innocence' and other bits around the side than at least criticize, comment on and condemn the child abuse that's the focus of the events. Especially if you they haven't watched the documentary in full, or relevant interview.
If your overarching concern having watched a documentary on child abuse is that they used music to portray a sense of loss of innocence, and you bemoan that being "manipulative", then I'm immediately going to question whether you're arguing in good faith and whether you give a single fuck about the victims involved.
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I think it's okay to be skeptical of anything, but you shouldn't be dismissive of information based solely on inconsistencies.
It is more logical to link the ring with Michael Jackson's guilt based on the interview than to link a few minor inconsistencies in the story to his innocence.
It is more logical to link the ring with Michael Jackson's guilt based on the interview than to link a few minor inconsistencies in the story to his innocence.
That is a shitty situation. I'm sorry.
If you do decide to get rid of them. Sell them and give the money to a charity for victims of abuse.
I was going to make a long'ish post in response to the first post of yours i quoted.
Then i see you haven't watched the documentary. So you should just shut your fucking mouth, and don't talk about things you have no knowledge of.
That video completely corroborates James Safechuck story. Along with, ya know. HIM STILL HAVING THE FUCKING RING.
I agree on that. That's why I won't say what they are telling is untrue, I don't know. Robson has been called out by some people. That doesn't mean he is lying. But maybe he is not entirely trustworthy.
So asking me to believe everything those guys are saying - WITHOUT any evidence - is a big ask. We need a deeper investigation into those allegations. People in the MJ inner circle ( his kids, family, advisors, etc ) must be interviewed.
I remember MJ was arrested ( in 2003 ) and he was put naked ( at least that what he said ) in order, I guess, to verify if there was credibility into the kids allegations. So that means there are some material outhere that can prove - or debunk - those allegations.
No i never did that. I also don't know what is true and what is not. And i'm not going to make a drama-queen statement based on emotions.
I'm just saying that the changing of stories later in life is very normal in a lot of abuse cases and a LOT of evidence and information points in the direction of Michael being a child abuser. Not believing victims is one of the main reasons why they never tell it. Especially with guys.
No shit, it's like it magically wiped about what was pretty commonly accepted. I'm old enough to remember going through this shit multiple times. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that he was fucking little boys when everything first came out and it's plain as day that he fucked little boys right now.
The amount of people determined to still stan for a pedophile is disgusting.
How do you explain Wade's and Safechuck's pattern of abuse lining up almost one to one? If you want a smoking gun testimony then that seems as clear as you are gonna get. Maybe his motivations are not totally true to his word and there are inconsistencies here and there but what does that matter if the abuse was done to him by MJ.
Thanks for the link ( hope it works for Spain ). I will watch the documentary. But this is NOT a thread on the documentary, it's a thread on a random footage in a jewelry store. And you cannot take that footage as a proof that Micheal Jackson was sexual abuser. That's all I'm saying.
Literally zero people have done that though, you've just leapt to the defense unprompted.
Unless you genuinely thought people were calling him a child abuser solely from this footage and nothing else, but I can't take that thought seriously.
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"child abuse" =/= "child sexual abuse"Has anybody watched the documentary again? There's so many weird claims in the documentary. Jimmy mom's claims that she danced when Michael Jackson died. She said that he can't hurt little boys anymore. Michael Jackson died in 2009. This is before Jimmy's Mom would have known he was molested since Jimmy didn't tell anybody until Michael had passed.
Not only was Wade was asking for a minimum of $250 dollars for a donation, something weird is that Wade' s wife claimed she was abused as a child on Wade's website. In the documentary she said she didn't know about child abuse so she couldn't help Wade. This line has suddenly been removed on the website.
You get that, right?
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And I'm pretty sure Safechuck's mother knew he was a pedophile by 2009:
"I was kind of breaking, like having a nervous breakdown. I didn't want to be involved, so I told my mom then that he wasn't a good person, and that I don't want them involved. So that was tough," Safechuck said. "I couldn't talk about it. I just said enough to not get them involved. And she never pushed."
"Jimmy was over and he said to me, Michael's an evil man. And I said OK, I stood up, and I hugged him, and do you want to go get help…he was so afraid that I would tell somebody, super scared, like nervous breakdown scared. It was a begging sort of, you can't tell anybody. I felt that I had fucked up so much the first time, that I wasn't the mother that I should have been guarding him, he's coming to me with this truth that's killing him right now. I wasn't going to tell anybody. I could be there for him now."
Let me also clarify, I believe in the documentary Safechuck told his mother about it long before he watched Wade Robson's accusations, at which point the penny dropped that he himself wasn't "responsible" for the abuse, but rather he realised finally that it WAS abuse. Like, that was the whole point of the second part of the documentary.
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For me the most striking thing was how he seemed to have a boy in tow everywhere he went until tongues started wagging I presume and he stopped doing it. I am not a super MJ fan and I liked his songs well and all growing up but that was not an aspect of the MJ circus that I recall seeing or noticing.
I was young back then so maybe this just passed me by but looking at it now from the docu....yeah idk how you can't not see that shit was weird if you were even just a little older and wiser to pick up on it.
The evidence is in the documentary, but people like you refuse to watch it. I'm so disappointed in the whole of humanity by people like you who continue to defend a pedophile and
I'm also tired of hearing from the Jackson family defending Michael. They have a vested interested in defending the family name and fortune, and we've heard from them enough. They weren't there when the molestation happened. Now is the time for the victims to speak.
It's not random footage though. The child in the video is James Safechuck.
Lmao he thought that disguise would work? You'd think he'd take that more seriously to not get caught
This is a thread about a piece of the puzzle. And people are discussing the relation of said piece to the whole.
And you get in here and start saying that this piece looks shitty and the whole puzzle must suck; and you wonder why...
Get informed, then discuss.
You're not obligated to post, after entering a thread.
Yes, and brings out the rings. It's one of the most heartbreaking and harrowing parts of the documentary imo, and one of a couple of points where I needed to pause and go for a walk for a bit. His hands are shaking as he recounts the rings, the marriage ceremony, the sexual acts in exchange for the rings and the fact that Michael knew he was a boy that liked jewellery and used it completely against him.
Regardless of whether he is guilty of the accusations or not, it cannot be disagreed that Michal Jackson was completely displaced from reality.
User Banned (permanent): Peddling conspiratorial rhetoric surrounding allegations of abuse, antagonizing other members, account still in junior phase
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
- Have you watched the documentary in full, and the Oprah interview?
- Do you think Michael Jackson abused children?
"Not taking a position, but here's what I believe" you mean?
Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
Well, to be honest, you did come into a thread about a grown man buying a ring (possibly for a mock wedding) with a young boy (possibly same boy who appears in a documentary), who has told his story about how said man molested him when he was young, linking those videos...
Like, yiiiikes.
EDIT: Simple question for you, do you believe Michael Jackson molested children? Any child. Not just Wade or Jimmy?
Then I'll ask again:
- Have you watched the documentary and the interview with Oprah?
- Do you think Michael Jackson abused children?
It was. And yet scum in here are still calling him a liar.
How can you say you are not forming an opinion on something then be so quick form an opinion on something that tells you the other thing is wrong? You've already made up your mind on what you think, trying to tell people that is not the case is just gonna make people naturally suspicious about your motivations.
It's like telling people you don't believe in unicorns and then coming back and telling people to buy this anti unicorn repellent because you heard it was the best one but you still totally don't belive in unicorns.
You can start by saying what is it that you found interesting in the videos.
Posting the links, saying you found them interesting and in the same phrase asserting you have no opinion is a bit disingenuous, no?
Why did I look into that Devil May Cry MJ thread... frankly it is downright appalling how people on this site get to victim blame/ downplay abuse/ "just ask questions " / post pro-MJ videos ( like that poster above) just enough to skirt the TOS. I've never been so disappointed in this site before.
Hell, there was someone in this thread clearly demonstrating more worry about someone being called out and banned for defending MJ than for the actual victims themselves. Absolutely incredible and disgusting.
Separating the art from the artist isn't a hard thing. Yes MJ is a pedophile, yes you can admit to listening to his music, yes you can even go on YouTube and pop a MJ song on blast even with full knowledge of such.
I don't understand how it's a hard thing when media consumption is literally all about playing to one's emotions. Will you be a hypocrite? Sure, just like literally everyone else on this fucked up world we live on. It's ultimately better to own up to it rather than deny it for the sake of victims involved.
I don't understand how it's a hard thing when media consumption is literally all about playing to one's emotions. Will you be a hypocrite? Sure, just like literally everyone else on this fucked up world we live on. It's ultimately better to own up to it rather than deny it for the sake of victims involved.
Some were decent to be fair, how much did he do with nobody knowing who he was?
It's also not hard to just...stop listening to something. There's geat music being made all of the time.