What did he lie about?I don't trust that Wade guy. Again, he lied then and we should trust every words coming out of its mouth ? Sorry I won't.
Also, again, watch the documentary.
What did he lie about?I don't trust that Wade guy. Again, he lied then and we should trust every words coming out of its mouth ? Sorry I won't.
I don't trust that Wade guy. Again, he lied then and we should trust every words coming out of its mouth ? Sorry I won't.
You need to stop posting.I don't trust that Wade guy. Again, he lied then and we should trust every words coming out of its mouth ? Sorry I won't.
Sure, but it's also OK to side-eye people who'd rather persistently poke at nonsense like 'but the music manipulates you into feeling a loss of innocence' and other bits around the side than at least criticize, comment on and condemn the child abuse that's the focus of the events. Especially if you they haven't watched the documentary in full, or relevant interview.
That is a shitty situation. I'm sorry.I'm indeed thinking about what to do with that record. Off the Wall and Thriller were the first Vinyls I bought with my own money. While I haven't listened to them in forever, they're still in my collection, and they're still somewhat cherished memories. Kind of a shitty situation TBH. It's probably easier for people who didn't grow up idolizing this nutcase.
Are we serious here ? There is a footage of MJ with that kid in a shop and that confirms the allegations ? I don't see anything damming in that footage. So each time you're hanging with a kid that is not yours, you're a sexual predators... Not saying that the allegations are untrue - I don't know - but this is by no means a smocking gun...
The only problem I have is : where the hell are the parents ?
I was going to make a long'ish post in response to the first post of yours i quoted.I haven't seen the documentary ( not on Netflix and no HBO Go in Spain ). Yes it's odd to give a kid a ring indeed. But that's not proof of abuse.
I never liked MJ having kids as friends. I remember that infamous interview where he was in bed with them watching movies and drinking milk. At best, the guys was a weirdo. We ALL agree on that. But an abuser ?
I've seen those 2 guys interview on CBS and I have to say they look don't look convincing. Especially when Gayle King ( she's just into thise things now it seems ) asked them if it was for the money. I'm not saying they're telling lies - I don't know - but I will need more than that to be convinced. Those are exactly the same allegations made by the same people 2 decades ago. Why should I believe them now when it was debunked then ?
Nobody says that. It's in combination with the documentary.
These kind of stories are classic to people who work with abused children. A lot of them keep it a secret until they're an adult. Ashamed, scared of the consequences, sometimes the perpetrator is a family member or someone they think they care about. A lot of men keep it a secret until they die.
Kids are very easily brainwashed and manipulated.
Watch this documentary and watch "Abducted in Plain Sight" on Netflix to see how bizar these things can get.
...I agree on that. That's why I won't say what they are telling is untrue, I don't know. Robson has been called out by some people. That doesn't mean he is lying. But maybe he is not entirely trustworthy.
Just stop.I don't trust that Wade guy. Again, he lied then and we should trust every words coming out of its mouth ? Sorry I won't.
No i never did that. I also don't know what is true and what is not. And i'm not going to make a drama-queen statement based on emotions.I agree on that. That's why I won't say what they are telling is untrue, I don't know. Robson has been called out by some people. That doesn't mean he is lying. But maybe he is not entirely trustworthy.
So asking me to believe everything those guys are saying - WITHOUT any evidence - is a big ask. We need a deeper investigation into those allegations. People in the MJ inner circle ( his kids, family, advisors, etc ) must be interviewed.
I remember MJ was arrested ( in 2003 ) and he was put naked ( at least that what he said ) in order, I guess, to verify if there was credibility into the kids allegations. So that means there are some material outhere that can prove - or debunk - those allegations.
In hindsight it's amazing how much his death restored his image.
How do you explain Wade's and Safechuck's pattern of abuse lining up almost one to one? If you want a smoking gun testimony then that seems as clear as you are gonna get. Maybe his motivations are not totally true to his word and there are inconsistencies here and there but what does that matter if the abuse was done to him by MJ.I agree on that. That's why I won't say what they are telling is untrue, I don't know. Robson has been called out by some people. That doesn't mean he is lying. But maybe he is not entirely trustworthy.
So asking me to believe everything those guys are saying - WITHOUT any evidence - is a big ask. We need a deeper investigation into those allegations. People in the MJ inner circle ( his kids, family, advisors, etc ) must be interviewed.
I remember MJ was arrested ( in 2003 ) and he was put naked ( at least that what he said ) in order, I guess, to verify if there was credibility into the kids allegations. So that means there are some material outhere that can prove - or debunk - those allegations.
You need to stop posting.
Watch the doc, think for yourself a bit, and then come back.
Anybody that doesn't have HBO can watch the VOD on UK's channel 4 website.
Just get a vpn add-on for chrome, it takes 30 seconds.
Leaving Neverland - Channel 4 VOD
Literally zero people have done that though, you've just leapt to the defense unprompted.Thanks for the link ( hope it works for Spain ). I will watched the documentary. But this is NOT a thread on the documentary, it's a thread on a random footage in a jewelry store. And you cannot take that footage as a proof that Micheal Jackson was sexual abuser. That's all I'm saying.
You need to find a means to watch it then, because people aren't calling Michael Jackson a child abuser because he went to a ring store with a kid once. As it stands you're participating in a discussion while lacking a large amount of context, and responding like people are typing their accusations with a similar lack of context. They aren't.
"child abuse" =/= "child sexual abuse"Has anybody watched the documentary again? There's so many weird claims in the documentary. Jimmy mom's claims that she danced when Michael Jackson died. She said that he can't hurt little boys anymore. Michael Jackson died in 2009. This is before Jimmy's Mom would have known he was molested since Jimmy didn't tell anybody until Michael had passed.
Not only was Wade was asking for a minimum of $250 dollars for a donation, something weird is that Wade' s wife claimed she was abused as a child on Wade's website. In the documentary she said she didn't know about child abuse so she couldn't help Wade. This line has suddenly been removed on the website.
For me the most striking thing was how he seemed to have a boy in tow everywhere he went until tongues started wagging I presume and he stopped doing it. I am not a super MJ fan and I liked his songs well and all growing up but that was not an aspect of the MJ circus that I recall seeing or noticing.No shit, it's like it magically wiped about what was pretty commonly accepted. I'm old enough to remember going through this shit multiple times. It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that he was fucking little boys when everything first came out and it's plain as day that he fucked little boys right now.
The amount of people determined to still stan for a pedophile is disgusting.
The evidence is in the documentary, but people like you refuse to watch it. I'm so disappointed in the whole of humanity by people like you who continue to defend a pedophile andI agree on that. That's why I won't say what they are telling is untrue, I don't know. Robson has been called out by some people. That doesn't mean he is lying. But maybe he is not entirely trustworthy.
So asking me to believe everything those guys are saying - WITHOUT any evidence - is a big ask. We need a deeper investigation into those allegations. People in the MJ inner circle ( his kids, family, advisors, etc ) must be interviewed.
I remember MJ was arrested ( in 2003 ) and he was put naked ( at least that what he said ) in order, I guess, to verify if there was credibility into the kids allegations. So that means there are some material outhere that can prove - or debunk - those allegations.
It's not random footage though. The child in the video is James Safechuck.Thanks for the link ( hope it works for Spain ). I will watch the documentary. But this is NOT a thread on the documentary, it's a thread on a random footage in a jewelry store. And you cannot take that footage as a proof that Micheal Jackson was sexual abuser. That's all I'm saying.
It's not random footage though. The child in the video is James Safechuck.
This is a thread about a piece of the puzzle. And people are discussing the relation of said piece to the whole.Thanks for the link ( hope it works for Spain ). I will watch the documentary. But this is NOT a thread on the documentary, it's a thread on a random footage in a jewelry store. And you cannot take that footage as a proof that Micheal Jackson was sexual abuser. That's all I'm saying.
Yes.
Yes, and brings out the rings. It's one of the most heartbreaking and harrowing parts of the documentary imo, and one of a couple of points where I needed to pause and go for a walk for a bit. His hands are shaking as he recounts the rings, the marriage ceremony, the sexual acts in exchange for the rings and the fact that Michael knew he was a boy that liked jewellery and used it completely against him.
Regardless of whether he is guilty of the accusations or not, it cannot be disagreed that Michal Jackson was completely displaced from reality.Lmao he thought that disguise would work? You'd think he'd take that more seriously to not get caught
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koc1dcRBIUc (also a Part II)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkFmauidVE&feature=youtu.be
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
Well, to be honest, you did come into a thread about a grown man buying a ring (possibly for a mock wedding) with a young boy (possibly same boy who appears in a documentary), who has told his story about how said man molested him when he was young, linking those videos...Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
Then I'll ask again:Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
It was. And yet scum in here are still calling him a liar.
How can you say you are not forming an opinion on something then be so quick form an opinion on something that tells you the other thing is wrong? You've already made up your mind on what you think, trying to tell people that is not the case is just gonna make people naturally suspicious about your motivations.Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
You can start by saying what is it that you found interesting in the videos.Not what I said at all. But this seems to be a general attitude in this thread to put things in someone's mouth he never said. Good job. Just watch it. If you dont want to fine. If you watched it and found it stupid, fine as well.
Of course not. They're just asking questions.You can start by saying what is it that you found interesting in the videos.
Posting the links, saying you found them interesting and in the same phrase asserting you have no opinion is a bit disingenuous, no?
If you're still defending MJ at this point, you've officially lost touch with reality and need to reexamine your priorities and values. Because its fucking disgusting and disturbing to continue to stand by this complete and utter monster who leveraged his power to rape little boys and systematically ruin lives for decades without consequence.
That's someone you want to defend?
Not taking any position. Just sharing these videos I found interesting.
Lmao he thought that disguise would work? You'd think he'd take that more seriously to not get caught
It's also not hard to just...stop listening to something. There's geat music being made all of the time.Separating the art from the artist isn't a hard thing. Yes MJ is a pedophile, yes you can admit to listening to his music, yes you can even go on YouTube and pop a MJ song on blast even with full knowledge of such.
I don't understand how it's a hard thing when media consumption is literally all about playing to one's emotions. Will you be a hypocrite? Sure, just like literally everyone else on this fucked up world we live on. It's ultimately better to own up to it rather than deny it for the sake of victims involved.
Nah. These are worse.