Never once did I say anything even remotely close to that. What a vile accusation. Reported because I'm of sick of users on here thinking they can get away with strawmaning arguments to this insane degree. You'd be banned if you outright called me a pedo, yet this comment you made here is no different.The discussion you're attempting to have is one where you try to justify a grown man sleeping naked in a bed with children.
I think I'm perfectly ok with you not having the ability to discuss that.
Grooming means establishing a relationship with a child and or their family for the expressed purpose of sexually abusing them. That's the definition of grooming. As I've stated I don't deny that MJ established a relationship with the child and or their family, that's an objective fact that all sides have admitted to. However it's not an objective fact that he sexually abused these kids, it's opinion people have. And it's a very reasonable opinion. One I probably slightly lean towards. But it's not a fact. If it were a fact then MJ would have been imprisoned and or his estate would currently be bankrupt from the lawsuits these individuals have brought against it. So saying he "groomed" kids is not a "fact" like you stated.He groomed them, fact. He befriended them and built a fucking theme park to isolate them and admitted to sleeping with them alone. This is before we even get to the accusations. All of this was out in the open.
Second bolded. You just claimed that sleeping, alone, with strange children isn't clear abuse as long as there was no sexual abuse. This is wrong.
I didn't strawman shit, these are your own words.
As for the second point about the comment you bolded. I meant sexual abuse. I thought that was obvious but I'll accept it was poor wording on my part for not make that extremely clear. I say I thought it was obvious since I don't think a single child has simply accused MJ of just "abusing" them outside sexually. Has a child ever come forward and said "MJ didn't sexually abuse me but he did abuse me in other ways"? I've personally never heard anything to that effect but maybe you you enlighten me if you have. The discussion about MJ and "abuse" has always at least included if not only focused on the sexual aspect. But I never ever defended his sleeping with kids as you previously stated I did. That was an outright lie and you've quoted nothing here that states I said it was OK for him to sleep with kids.
So yes you did starman both of your points against me and the fact you can't see that shows you don't want to have a good faith discussion. And no doubt even after I've totally clarified my points here again you'll still resort to strawmaning. I hope you prove me wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.