What? Wait what are you even talking about? I don't follow. If you think I'm defending MJ just stop and read my other posts please, this shit is infuriating and I don't even know what you're replying to.
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Footage of Michael Jackson ring shopping with a young boy resurfaces
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I always say his greatest con on the public was this innocent-as-a-child routine. It's more chilling because it appears he used that to gain access to young boys for his own means. He was a ruthless businessman going by the Beatles thing, he had properties all over the place, had a successful career, etc. But suddenly he's an arrested development child at home?
Or maybe it was rewards for specific sexual acts, as the person in the video later said in the documentary. MAYBE....
What about friendships with millionaires who have rooms full of pornography and books filled with naked pics of kids? They're innocent enough according to some here.
I have been in contact with a mod because I was banned last time for being disingenuous and I don't want to repeat that.
So I shall be clear of my position.
In my eyes Michael Jackson is guilty for sleeping with all these kids. Because he is an adult and he is responsible and should have known that that was wrong. He should have been penalized for it the moment it was known. In that way he abused these children.
Now I don't know if he is guilty of sexually molesting children. I really don't know. That's why I want as much information as possible to come forward and as much information presented.
And I see posts here and on the internet of both sides that bring good points.
That's maybe why I come over as disingenuous.
So I have said to the mod that I am not going to post here anymore on this thread.
But hopefully now you know my position more.
So I shall be clear of my position.
In my eyes Michael Jackson is guilty for sleeping with all these kids. Because he is an adult and he is responsible and should have known that that was wrong. He should have been penalized for it the moment it was known. In that way he abused these children.
Now I don't know if he is guilty of sexually molesting children. I really don't know. That's why I want as much information as possible to come forward and as much information presented.
And I see posts here and on the internet of both sides that bring good points.
That's maybe why I come over as disingenuous.
So I have said to the mod that I am not going to post here anymore on this thread.
But hopefully now you know my position more.
Well that's disappointing. But he does have other kids, hopefully they are less shit
Sorry bro. Nothing against you. I simply quoted you necause you hung out woth older people. Just making the point that social network didn't exist back then and people still knew right from wrong.
He could've been caught buying the kid a cock-ring and some lube and you people would find an excuse.
I bet she hasn't watched the documentary
She has been drinking the Jackson kool-aid since childhood. None of the family will let go of their cash cow without a fight.
Same. My older cousin is a molester and did this to me and my other cousins. I can remember every detail.
Adults DO NOT become friends with children long term unless they have an agenda. They dont. Anyone who says otherwise is naive.
To be fair to Paris Jackson, you can't really expect her to do anything differently.. it's her father after all. She's not going to ever entertain the notion, IMO.
I'm not sure how anyone could be needing more evidence at this point. Probably for the best.
I bet it's her fucking father. Would you want to believe your dad was a weirdo who raped countless children?
It sounds like he had a fetish for prepubescent boys, not girls. But who knows
Come on, there's no suggestion he raped his own daughter. Jesus.
I'm not arguing that he did. I'm just saying it wouldn't be surprising if she came out and said he did.
This reminds me of how I feel whenever I try to watch Suede's Pokémon reviews now that the truth about JewWario is known....
Wait, wait, what? Earlier folks were out here being like "these photography books are right there on Amazon" but these are books made by convicted abusers???
Yeah, apparently they were convicted. They are connected to NAMBLA, iirc. Look up Michael Jacobshagen and the pics of the inscription in the copy of that book he has. It's like "WOW! --> Enjoy my Rubba Rubba Boy' with an arrow pointing to the opposite page or something equally as horrifying.
Yo what?
Man and we had to endure all this /finger in the air "well technically they're legal".. and they were compiled by convicted child abusers??
Lol, I was about to go OFF. I agree with all of that. I just understand why it's hard for them.
Just seen what type of books MJ had. My mistake pal, really sorry for what turned out to be a pointless and ignorant discussion on my part. I guess I wasn't totally versed on this subject. I'm big enough to own up when I've been in the wrong. So again sorry about that.
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"I need more evidence"
We are reaching a point with many evidence and one escalating more than the previous one, that probably the only evidence left are explicit videos of MJ doing it...
The guy is a pedophile. Accept it. If you want to keep hearing his music, fine by you, but the guy is a fucking pedo and child molester
We are reaching a point with many evidence and one escalating more than the previous one, that probably the only evidence left are explicit videos of MJ doing it...
The guy is a pedophile. Accept it. If you want to keep hearing his music, fine by you, but the guy is a fucking pedo and child molester
Yeah sorry pal, just saw the court findings about the books MJ had. I'd always read he didn't have any books relating to stuff like that but that seems to have just been a BS technicality. Without question a massive smoking gun that. Sorry for being ignorant during this.
Andrew-Ryan Nah. I'm not doing some shitty back and forth quote for quote with someone who can't even fucking admit that MJ's intent lines up with what defines grooming, literally word for word. You're really gunna sit there and argue "well, maybe he didn't have sexual intentions", when he admitted to sleeping with children in bed and fits the definition of a groomer to a T.
You don't get to claim strawman because you said something you didn't mean. My point was that I was clarifying that you do, in fact, acknowledge that he abused children, even without considering the accusations.
This started because you made a shitty defense, whether intentional or not, of MJ by trying to argue that's not factual that he abused children.
And yes he did have sexually explicit images of children. Someone posted it a few pages back:
Oh, ok, you're gunna put me on ignore because you can't admit that a grown man sleeping with strange children has sexual intentions. You are a coward and are trying to get out on the technicality of "well, we can't prove that his intentions were sexual", even though every single piece of evidence shows that this was the case.
A grown adult doesn't develop close relationships with children and their guardians and sleep in their beds without sexual intent.
Yet you're going to sit here and call my arguments disingenuous, lol. I know you'll read this so let me point you to the docs that prove he had child porn, even if it wasn't illegal at the time:
"A photograph of a a young boy holding an umbrella, wearing bikini bottoms, partially pulled down"
That is a sexually explicit image.
You don't get to claim strawman because you said something you didn't mean. My point was that I was clarifying that you do, in fact, acknowledge that he abused children, even without considering the accusations.
This started because you made a shitty defense, whether intentional or not, of MJ by trying to argue that's not factual that he abused children.
And yes he did have sexually explicit images of children. Someone posted it a few pages back:
Oh, ok, you're gunna put me on ignore because you can't admit that a grown man sleeping with strange children has sexual intentions. You are a coward and are trying to get out on the technicality of "well, we can't prove that his intentions were sexual", even though every single piece of evidence shows that this was the case.
A grown adult doesn't develop close relationships with children and their guardians and sleep in their beds without sexual intent.
Yet you're going to sit here and call my arguments disingenuous, lol. I know you'll read this so let me point you to the docs that prove he had child porn, even if it wasn't illegal at the time:
"A photograph of a a young boy holding an umbrella, wearing bikini bottoms, partially pulled down"
That is a sexually explicit image.
Corrected myself later on mate after I read what exactly the books were and who published them. Don't think you can have any questions about his intentions after learning that out. Like I said sorry of the moronic ignorance on my part and for some of my petty behavior.
I think that evidence sheet was what pushed me over the edge, too. There's just... no denying it after seeing that.
Yeah like I said I'd always read that it wasn't anything related to sexual images of children but didn't know exactly what they were. When you read what the actual books were about I'm lost for words at how they're "legally" allowed and how it seems he got off an on BS technicality since they couldn't be admitted into evidence.
Even one of the jurors said he thinks he molested those kids but couldn't convict based on the actual evidence. Just reeks of technicalities and also Wade's testimony got him off too. The Michael Jacobshagen stuff is a whole other level of WTF.
Yeah i added that last bit because it read like i was attacking you. I really wasn't.
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It was trending again on social media lately, shared onto ONTD and then reposted. I didn't dig it up myself.
The key to seeing this shit clear as day is comparing Michael's documented actions with young boys to how you express your own sexuality.
I know when I'm in the courting stage with a woman she'll occupy my mind to the point of distraction. I text her. I call her. I send her pictures. I plan my day around seeing her. When I do see her my only goal is to get closer to her. Listen to her stories, hear her opinions, and depending on how she reciprocates, test the waters with physical contact.
You could try to describe these actions as an act of simple friendship, and I may lie to you and say they are, but deep down you and I both know that I'm seeking a sexual partner. I want to have sex with her, but that's not my only goal - I want the intimacy and fulfillment only a lover can provide. No matter how close my platonic friends are, I don't express myself the same with them. I can't even if I tried.
Michael Jackson was a sexual person, this we know based off the pornography found in his possession. He claimed to be a straight man, but looking at his very public relationships with women we just don't see the same level of affection he shared with his constant child companions. He quite obviously spent the energy you and I would spend on an adult sexual partner on these boys.
It's all there in plain sight. The only thing missing is forensic and video evidence of him with those boys.
I know when I'm in the courting stage with a woman she'll occupy my mind to the point of distraction. I text her. I call her. I send her pictures. I plan my day around seeing her. When I do see her my only goal is to get closer to her. Listen to her stories, hear her opinions, and depending on how she reciprocates, test the waters with physical contact.
You could try to describe these actions as an act of simple friendship, and I may lie to you and say they are, but deep down you and I both know that I'm seeking a sexual partner. I want to have sex with her, but that's not my only goal - I want the intimacy and fulfillment only a lover can provide. No matter how close my platonic friends are, I don't express myself the same with them. I can't even if I tried.
Michael Jackson was a sexual person, this we know based off the pornography found in his possession. He claimed to be a straight man, but looking at his very public relationships with women we just don't see the same level of affection he shared with his constant child companions. He quite obviously spent the energy you and I would spend on an adult sexual partner on these boys.
It's all there in plain sight. The only thing missing is forensic and video evidence of him with those boys.
Right? And you listen to the other side, from Wade Robson and James Safechuck, and they reciprocated. That's the entire point of grooming. It becomes a two way romantic relationship. When they talked about when Michael Jackson came into their lives, I kept thinking about how it sounded like two guys reminiscing about their first girlfriends. They talk about the doting attention like I remember giving girls in highschool. It was clear as day when they had the recording of young James being like "What was your favorite part of filming this video?" and Michael was like "Being with you! You were my favorite part!" That shit is exactly like the corny shit you'd tell a girl.
That's precisely why these men are so confused and even feel guilty today. They were in romantic love back with him. Only difference is they were fucking 7 year olds, just beginning puberty, and were confused out of their fucking minds and in no way able to handle the realities of falling in love with another person romantically. That is entirely on the adult. He preyed upon their love for him.
And a layer of fucked up beyond all that -- he was a shitty romantic partner on top of all that. He'd throw them away when he was done with them. Parade their replacements in front of them. An extra dimension of emotional and psychological abuse. Imagine dealing with that at 12 years old, and not being able to even express it to anybody because, "what are you gay or something?" It's like when James says it's like a puzzle and you can't get any help from the outside on it, so you just never figure it out and it keeps getting worse.
Makes me sick to my goddamn stomach on every fucking level. What a monster.
