I don't know, man. Your average billionaire is probably an asshole, yeah. But at least John W. Henry didn't order the literal assassination of a journalist. That I know of.the saudis are probably the best owners you could get. yeah, the politics connected to the country aren't pretty, but on the other hand there isn't a billionaire on earth who doesn't have blood on their hands. wealth is accumulated and gained off of the backs and lives of people period. and that's just the way capitalism works.
He doesn't do anything, it's Mike Gordon and Michael Edwards. If anything, we kept fucking up when Henry kept sticking his dick in it and now he's just on the sidelines we've been miles better.
Mané has been better than Ronaldo in every single way in 2019. More goals, more assists, wayyyy more matches, better goals/game ratio. On top of being a CL winner and a serious contender for the most competitive league in Europe for both 2018/2019 and 2019/2020. Also went to the Afcon's final with Sénégal.
We're all aware that these trophies are rarely ever about stats or even the trophies won. It's become a popularity contest. Messi and Ronaldo could break both their legs, be away from a pitch for 11 months in a year, return to play a few minutes in the matches leading up to the award ceremony and they'd be considered contenders anyway.Mané has been better than Ronaldo in every single way in 2019. More goals, more assists, wayyyy more matches, better goals/game ratio. On top of being a CL winner and a serious contender for the most competitive league in Europe for both 2018/2019 and 2019/2020. Also went to the Afcon's final with Sénégal.
Mané should absolutely be ahead of him.
this had been the case since 2010. footballers not named Messi (even Ronaldo) always have to win or do something extra to have a chance. Messi is by default positioned as the winner every year.
I don't know if I was expecting it but I was hoping at least. Thought he deserved it and despite people saying only the 1st matters I think it would have been nice for him to be recognized on the podium. I think that ranking shows how much of a popularity contest it really is, much more than Messi coming 1st.We're all aware that these trophies are rarely ever about stats or even the trophies won. It's become a popularity contest. Messi and Ronaldo could break both their legs, be away from a pitch for 11 months in a year, return to play a few minutes in the matches leading up to the award ceremony and they'd be considered contenders anyway.
Hence, my question: Was anyone really not expecting him to make it top 3? Seems unlikely anyone else will get any fair shot while these two are active.
no, you aren't a ''couple'' players short. you are an entire middfield plus subs, atleast one winger and a couple of defenders short. and yes, in terms of how you are run you might as well still be in the last century when compared to the likes of city or liverpool. (or any other modern football club who is ambitious and has a vision)Look at Klopp at Liverpool. Poch at Spurs. The right manager with the right backing can absolutely make United a title contender again. It's not like saying Newcastle or Watford suddenly coming up top, it's a top 7 team that is a couple of players short and has a few underperforming. United are miles behind Liverpool and City but not within impossible distance over the next 3 seasons.
i said world-class managers. i wouldn't consider allegtri or ancelotti as that in 2019 (going into 2020) nor are they particulary progressive or known for developing players. they can still do a job sure, but do i think ancelotti and allegri will be lifting any more league titles? no. and linked with? i could fill half a page with names from last summer alone of players you were linked with. in the end one player in total made an effort to leave their club for manchester united. and we all know who that is, and what you paid to get him.Okay indulge me, who do you think are the only managers we could attract? Flores, Silva, Pulis? Not a chance in hell. Even recently we're still linked with Allegri and Poch. United is still a massive job, and it was Mourinho's dream job - arguably the most successful manager of recent times along with Pep.
To think United can only attract a mid-table manager is beyond ludicrous. Ole is there, rightly or wrongly, by the board's own volition - it wasn't the only option.
to any united fan that know their history, of what players have worn your shirt. no ole does not make a top 50 list. and no, he wasn't appointed for being a ''breadth of fresh air'' he got hired because he cost nothing compared to what a coach with a proper cv had, because he had a name association from being a former player at the club. the fact he got hired off of a game where you got played off the pitch for the entire game, and managed a few shots in total on goal all game and still lucked into a last minute penalty due to a deflection says it all about the premise for why he was hired.For me personally yes Ole is a top 50 United player for a variety of reasons. And he will be to the vast majority of the fanbase. And yes Ole was absolutely appointed because he was a breath of fresh air compared to Mourinho and changed the toxic atmosphere that permeated at the time.
Glazer's have invested in the club, but our purchasing team has also made poor decisions with that money. The fanbase's current issues are more with Woodward's management than the Glazer's.
tottenham spent over a billion building a new stadium, so it's hardly a resonable comparasin. unlike united they also have a more advanced and structured scouting network, that have allowed them to build a considerably better squad than what you have managed. not to mention how you have spent your money in comparasin to city.Our net spend in the last five years is only behind City. Just short of £400m, averaging £75m a year. Tottenham's net spend over the last five years is £94m, £18m a year making them 17th in the table. He would do well at Leicester but again looking at the size of the clubs and potential he and any other manager would chose United all day long.
you don't get it do you? ed woodward is there because the glazers (who you claim have improved) want him there. at any other club in the world ed would have been thrown out on his head litterally years ago. and undeniably amazing at the business side? you are litterally top 3 biggest club in the world, what you are saying is like stating that mcdonalds are undeniably doing amazing when compared to joe's burgerbar who has three locations total.I have my own issues with Saudi ownership but again, Glazers have improved since their initial stint here and I still believe that having a footballing structure in place detached from Woodward would make the world of difference. I want Woodward out, but I wouldn't be opposed to him staying there as long as there was a DoF and what not handling the footballing decisions and Woodward kept himself to business and boardroom activities. He's undeniably amazing at the business side of the club.
I mean, of course goals are "more important" strictly speaking, but one could argue that a defender that stops multiple dangerous opportunities per match (or a keeper saving their team from screamer goals) is equally as important. You win a match by outscoring your opponent, you can do that by winning 6-5 and 1-0 alike. It would be nice if they didn't just give out the award to one of the most prolific attackers all the time (or default it to a different Real Madrid player, like Modric or that time they gave it to Cannavaro because they kinda needed to get someone Italian for the World Cup but they didn't really wanna go for Buffon or the others, defaulting it to the dude that left to Real).I mean, Messi is just a much better player than van Dijk given the rules of football. Because of how the game is played, it's easier for attackers to have an outlier impact than defenders: the difference between Messi and a league-average Spanish striker might well be .75 goals a game, whereas no CB can project to have that level of impact. (Yes, I know Liverpool's record before/after van Dijk, but, as excellent as van Dijk was, a ton of that was xG variance.)
Think Ronaldo was genuinely mediocre for large chunks of this year, and I agree that Mane would've been a more deserving #3.
Like, I get that it's more fun to reward team success and mix it up, but I like treating the award as a record of who the actual best player in 2019 was for historical purposes. If it's Messi every year, he should win the award.