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FootyEra 19/20 Season |OT| CrowdNoise.mp3
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I don't think this will be over before end of year, they would try to relax distancing measures and then have to tighten them again like in China. Next season is going to be screwed anyway and probably won't start.
Maybe, hopefully we'll find a solution to all of this sooner rather than later.
In any case: sports are pretty much fucked right now.
At least leagues like Segunda B (third division in Spain) most players have other jobs/professions, but I just feel horrible for all the staff and workers in the smaller teams/stadiums that really did lose all of their income for the foreseeable future :(
If they cancel the EPL season and all the clubs don't unanimously vote to give the title to Liverpool, that will be a crime.
If the season ends up being canceled there won't be any title for anyone, it'd be entirely scrapped.
I've read that 14 of the 20 clubs would need to vote on the season being cancelled, so they could surely all vote on awarding the title (or not) too.
At some point, since it's looking (right now) unlikely that even by Summer things will be okay enough to resume the various Leagues, the various FA's along with UEFA/FIFA will have debate whether it's actually worth finishing the current season and jeopardizing the next one OR taking these financial losses and making sure the next one starts/works under a normal calendar year (if at all possible, that is).
Of course a lot of clubs, even the big ones, will get screwed either way. The lack of revenue coming in and the high salaries is already screwing them over and I'd imagine the situation is far worse for the smaller clubs. Ideally some sort of solidarity fund is created to try and help everyone as much as possible.
The worst scenario is that even by September/October things will be a mess and sports in general will have to take an actual long break. Hopefully this won't happen, but it's not something we can fully rule out as of now either.
Of course a lot of clubs, even the big ones, will get screwed either way. The lack of revenue coming in and the high salaries is already screwing them over and I'd imagine the situation is far worse for the smaller clubs. Ideally some sort of solidarity fund is created to try and help everyone as much as possible.
The worst scenario is that even by September/October things will be a mess and sports in general will have to take an actual long break. Hopefully this won't happen, but it's not something we can fully rule out as of now either.
Do you organize a vote on promotion, relegation, european slots, etc. too ?
If the season's canceled then that's that, everyone would be back to square one.
Good question. Title granted or not has no effect on any other club though, unlike promotion/relegation and Euro slots. If there is a CL next season maybe they do need to take a snapshot of the current positions, flawed though it is, is there any better way? And if you do that, no reason not to apply the same principle to the top spot.
Caught a replay from a crazy Chelsea vs United from 2011 or 2012 (the year Chelsea won the CL). In which they were winning 3-0 at the 55th minute, Chicharito comes on and somehow ties the bloody game for United lol
Cancelling the season is messy. They should play out the remaining games when they can they decide how to organise the following season from there. Harry Kane has now joined Brady is saying it should be cancelled but they aren't going to be playing again by August anyway so just finish the season off and work it out from there.
It's a global emergency and there's no ideal solution, really. If you play all remaining matches, chances are you risk compromising next season. If you call it a day now, you will help some teams who yet had to have some of their hardest matches, or penalize those who already threw away points in the most complicated fixtures (just think of how Liverpool nearly beat everyone so far, but there's teams who yet had to play them another time). Whatever solution you take, some will gain, others will lose from the decision. It would be crazy if Liverpool weren't awarded a title in the most dominant PL season ever, but likewise it wouldn't be entirely fair if some team got relegated because they were below at some point in March.
What a mess for all sports, all in all. I wouldn't be surprised if some smaller championships or disciplines failed to produce a season next year because of the enormous financial consequences of the premature end of this one.
So the expectation is that the players, the staff, the managers, the press, the stewards, etc. don't get in touch with anybody from the outside, that all of them start this tournament 100% sure to be negative, and that everything was immaculately sanitized to a point where it's physically impossible for any person involved to get infected.
Sounds like a reasonable plan.
You are bringing all the believers down. Just cut it out please, its unnecessary therearedozensofus.gif
They would lose a lot more in TV money if they did that...
So practically some modern gladiators games. But with perfectly sanitised luxury cells.
I think the only logical move is to cancel the league and keep the current positions for the European ticket distribution. No trophies awarded though.
Agreed, I believe that eventually the higher ups will realise this too.
Plenty of solutions for that, including emergency FIFA regulations I believe. Contracts are written up to run to the end of a season, and all clubs will be in the same boat. No reason clubs won't be able to agree to some way of extending contracts to the end of the 19/20 season, whenever that ends up being.
IMO (and with obvious bias here, but really, let's not pretend anybody's free from that in this situation), if you think next season can be started on time, there's no reason this season can't be finished with a shortened 20/21 (e.g. scrap the League Cup that nobody cares about, cut meaningless international friendlies). If you think the disruptions going to continue for a while yet, why would you kill the season that's 75/80% done (and tell the fans that all the investment they've put into it has been for nothing) in favour of a season that would then have every chance of suffering the same fate?
Liverpool fans want to endanger peoples lives just so they can win the Premier League for the first time ever, shameful.
The vastness majority of Premier League clubs (including your club Chelsea) want this season to finish.
I think the only clubs to come out in favour of cancelling he season are still Spurs and West Ham.
the justification for not handing Liverpool a title would be... the season was cancelled.
I don't think any Liverpoolfan would want to feel they got the first title in over 30 years like that.
If it is necessary to cancel a season to 'reset' the football calendar back to normal, it makes way more sense to cancel/modify one that hasn't happened yet, than one which is part finished. At least then the rules/circumstances can be agreed beforehand by everyone involved.
The advantage with looking at the future schedule is that it is flexible and can adapt - like it was with moving the 2022 WC to winter instead of summer. The
They've been easily the best team, are country miles clear, and only needed six points over the rest of the season to be mathematically certain. There's zero doubt that they'd have won it were they allowed to continue the season.
Statistically speaking if you extrapolate Liverpool's most recent form (2-3 loss against Atletico, 0/3) to the rest of the season then they will pick up 0 points.
Even if that happened, there's a reasonable chance they'd still win the bloody thing anyway.
Don't get me wrong, it'd be hilarious if they didn't get it, but there's zero reasons why they shouldn't.
You can only give Liverpool the title if you decide everything else (Euro spots, relegation and promotion all the way down)
Giving Liverpool the title and leaving everything else undecided is a ridiculous decision if it were to happen.
Just void the season, you're not going to be able to finish this one and keep the next season on track
In theory.
The main issue clubs and Leagues are facing with regards to outright cancelling the current season is all the money they'll lose and how that'll mess them up.
Problem being, even if for example we finished what's left in the calendar year of the next season (anywhere from September to May) you run into the issues of:
A) You'll miss out the revenue/income of a another normal League year
B) You'll still have clubs stopped (with bills to pay) for months and months until the following season (in this case, 2021/2022) can start.
C) Players will demand more playtime before 2021's Summer since now we'll have the Euros, Copa America, Olympics all happening at that time. Meaning the prospect of playing 10-15 games in the time period where you'd play 38 won't necessarily be readily accepted in the top clubs (which usually have the most international players).
I dunno, it's a complex problem. Any of the solutions will have direct impacts on the next steps, there isn't any clear path here IMO.
Plus at this point in time we don't even know when players can start training (much less playing) in safe conditions. Could very well be post-Summer if things really go wrong.
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so question is would they rather cancel this season, and still face problems with next season, or cancel/truncate next season, and finish this one. Otherwise they're risking problems with both, and since it's all about the money, they'll lose even more.
More money will be lost by screwing with next season. They'll want to limit thyr amount of money that they can lose so cancelling this season will ensure that. The start of next season may get a little delayed but cancelling int friendlies/winter breaks etc will probably mean next season will be fine.
The remaining issues will be around promotions, cup placements etc. Do you start next season with the same teams being qualified for certain european competitions as the start of this season? Cancelling seems the only solution to me, and fans of clubs that may lose out (Liverpool etc) just need to accept it, there's a lot more important things than sport and there's not been a situation like this since wartime.
If you attempt to finish this season off in September onwards you screw with next season, the Euros again and even the 2022 world cup. UEFA and FIFA won't want that.
The remaining issues will be around promotions, cup placements etc. Do you start next season with the same teams being qualified for certain european competitions as the start of this season? Cancelling seems the only solution to me, and fans of clubs that may lose out (Liverpool etc) just need to accept it, there's a lot more important things than sport and there's not been a situation like this since wartime.
If you attempt to finish this season off in September onwards you screw with next season, the Euros again and even the 2022 world cup. UEFA and FIFA won't want that.
None of these are necessarily certain - it all depends on when it is safe to have sports back up again. But a situation where the current league is played out and some truncated/compromise solution about what to do next season seems the way that results in the least revenue for clubs lost to me.
I just don't get why people say next season will be "ruined" if it doesn't go ahead on time, and are then advocating things like "promote Leeds and West Brom, then relegate 5 teams the season after" as if that isn't a huge change to the football season too. Next seasons football calendar is a direct consequence of the current season's one and should only really start after this one is finished, even if that means doing it later, or cutting down on the number of less important games that a team does (cup competitions, international friendlies). Those are the kind of things that can be cancelled with minimum consequence for the future
Or...
They can retain their integrity and finish the season when it's socially responsible to do so.
I really don't know about that. Just as an example, the German Bundesliga really wanted to play one more matchday because 1/4 of their yearly TV income would've been due after that one. If you cancel now, half of it might not be paid out ever and the next income from TV money might only occur in late autumn or even winter. Maybe some TV stations would even try to sue for money paid for things that are now null and void.
Also, just from a European perspective, a few Scandinavian countries have their seasons aligned with the calendar year. How do you even begin to solve the mess that European cup competitions will be if you just cancel the current season?
Just resume playing this one whenever you can and worry about the next one afterwards.
Again, any path that the Leagues pick will have some sort of consequence, it's really just trying to pick the one that fits best. But it's too early to predict how it'll play out in the end. The first clue will be when sports can be resumed, that will define a lot of what can or can't be done afterwards.
Also I, in particular, never said anything about West Brom or Leeds :P
Good point, it'll come down to time, they'd want a full season's money over another 9 games worth but if its 6 months before we return to normal who knows!?
Sorry that 2nd paragraph was more against the general tone of the "cancel everything and start fresh" people - not you specifically
I agree with your point here - any "solution" to this is going to see some people short changed and will heavily rely on when it is safe to actually play a game again. I think the chances of this happening before August/Sept when most European leagues start is an impossibility, so any solution should be starting from the point that both 19/20 and 20/21 seasons will be affected at minimum.
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