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For people who want to boycott THQNordic and Deep Silver, here are the list of games they are publishing
- Thread starter Mórríoghain
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I'm already a backer of Shenmue III, so my money left my bank account and went into the game's budget long before Deep Silver saw any of it. I was already boycotting them over the Epic Store fiasco, but this is clearly far worse and while I may have forgiven them in a year or so for that (provided they didn't do it again), the actions of their parent company have pretty much made them a write-off for me.
Happy to follow the rest of the boycott list. I've already hidden all their different publishing arms on Steam, and I'll be very careful about buying their games going forward.
Happy to follow the rest of the boycott list. I've already hidden all their different publishing arms on Steam, and I'll be very careful about buying their games going forward.
Even if the shooter found 8chan through the THQ debacle, I don't see how it matters. The internet is a big place. He would have found some other place to post the stream.
Yeah, I'm not going to criticize the developers on a hunch that they are all complacent behind the scenes.
We should buy awful games because that what raise the quality of games because the dev know the game is awful but be thankful that we bought it and work harder on the next game.
We need less hate speech, racism, homophobia, and child pornography, all things THQ have tacitly endorsed with their AMA.
As a consumer of pieces of entertainment, I am well within my rights to decide where I want that money to go for any reason that I chose.
Inherently, then, my purchase decisions are going to "punish" developers for a vast variety of reasons. Not all of those reasons are going to be rational or necessarily warranted.
However, I think a reason of "not supporting a publisher that engaged with and boosted a hate-filled cesspit of a community responsible for terrorism, CP and a host of other vile shit" is a pretty damn good one, considering.
I'm not passing a thought for "poor developers". They will survive. Likely working for the same publisher. They could move jobs. They could be a bit more vocal about what they think (for better or worse). My thoughts, instead, are with the true victims. Perhaps I'll take that money I was going to buy Biomutant or Darksiders with and donate it to a worthy and relevant cause.
Inherently, then, my purchase decisions are going to "punish" developers for a vast variety of reasons. Not all of those reasons are going to be rational or necessarily warranted.
However, I think a reason of "not supporting a publisher that engaged with and boosted a hate-filled cesspit of a community responsible for terrorism, CP and a host of other vile shit" is a pretty damn good one, considering.
I'm not passing a thought for "poor developers". They will survive. Likely working for the same publisher. They could move jobs. They could be a bit more vocal about what they think (for better or worse). My thoughts, instead, are with the true victims. Perhaps I'll take that money I was going to buy Biomutant or Darksiders with and donate it to a worthy and relevant cause.
I'm not criticizing the devs, I'm criticizing their publisher. If the devs can't speak out because of publisher reprisal, that sucks, but I'm still not giving THQ money. I just hope that they're pressuring THQ internally, and that serious change occurs.
Then I recommend that you contact the developer and suggest that their management should publicly condemn THQ Nordic's actions and call for the firing of those responsible.
I will boycott THQs and Deep Silver published games too, until someone comes up with a more effective way of protest or THQ comes out and handles the matter in an appropriate way.
I just checked and I've never given THQ Nordic any money directly through buying one of their published games (might have through Sony giving it to them for a game for my PS+ subscription though), so they probably won't lose sleep over me boycotting.
I was looking forward to Pillars II console edition though and wanted to gift Biomutant and would possibly have checked out Shenmue III but it just wouldn't feel right giving money to a company that supported a message board of that ilk and what it stands for without feeling to make things right as much as they possibly can.
I just checked and I've never given THQ Nordic any money directly through buying one of their published games (might have through Sony giving it to them for a game for my PS+ subscription though), so they probably won't lose sleep over me boycotting.
I was looking forward to Pillars II console edition though and wanted to gift Biomutant and would possibly have checked out Shenmue III but it just wouldn't feel right giving money to a company that supported a message board of that ilk and what it stands for without feeling to make things right as much as they possibly can.
The money from Shenmue 3 Kickstarter was before their deal with Deep Silver and all money went straight for the developers. Sad thing is, if the game doesn't reach certain amount of sales, Shenmue 4 is not gonna happen, and we already know this game is not going to conclude the story. I support the boycott (I was going to buy Metro and maybe Biomutant, but not anymore), but it would sadden me that Ys and co. are gonna be affected because of a deal they probably can't back out of.
Wow...saw the thread here saying links between 8chan and the shooter. But now am reading an article detailing posts he made detailing the shootings he carried out today. At the very LEAST, THQ needs to fire those responsible for arranging the 8chan AMA holy crap.
edit: now reading that apparently 8chan members tuned in to his sick livestream and egged him on and posted nazi symbols...just...what is this world coming to. being a random internet troll and ass is one thing. but actually watching the livestream and cheering someone on?!
edit: now reading that apparently 8chan members tuned in to his sick livestream and egged him on and posted nazi symbols...just...what is this world coming to. being a random internet troll and ass is one thing. but actually watching the livestream and cheering someone on?!
That doesn't address my point though. Why is not buying a game due to lack of interest fine but not buying a game due to it's publisher endorsing a site tied to child porn and now terrorism is an action that will have awful consequences.
You can't pick and choose how this works.
Yeah. Deep Silver is only involved in publishing Sega stuff in Europe.
Not trying to change any minds, just explaining why it's unfair to expect each studio to provide a statement.
This is a partucular tricky situation.
At one side the publisher is despicable and deserves any boycott.
On the other side the devs and studios making those games 1) propably closed a deal with this publisher without knowing anything about the "culture" of the publisher 2) they propably can't abort the deal right now and have stuck with this publisher.
What is the right solution?
At one side the publisher is despicable and deserves any boycott.
On the other side the devs and studios making those games 1) propably closed a deal with this publisher without knowing anything about the "culture" of the publisher 2) they propably can't abort the deal right now and have stuck with this publisher.
What is the right solution?
Easy boycott anyway. Though I'd like Shenmue 3 one day (if no denuvo...) maybe some humble bundle with all the money to charity.
The current line of argument is based on what is with the probability of the terrorist choosing it because of its recent rise in fame perpetrated by THQN. Yes, he could have chosen another stream and yet he did not.
Again, I understand that this might seem like effect preceding cause but something's got to give when THQN deliberately (aforementioned) signal boosted 8chan into mainstream despite knowing full well that the AMA thread was being littered with alt-right, neo nazi, homophobic, loli memes and statements, and that their long delayed apology without any real consequence was essentially boiler plate platitude.
Video games are a luxury, so the solution is really fucking easy for me.
I already bought my copy of Shenmue 3 through Kickstarter, so I can't change that, but I won't be supporting the game or participating in threads about it anymore. As a huge Shenmue fan it breaks my heart and I feel bad for Yu Suzuki and his team, but I don't feel comfortable supporting a game published by this company anymore.
An idea I had for people not wanting to punish devs:
Buy the game you want used then, if possible, buy something else from the dev that doesn't involve THQ. For ex. Merch or maybe buy an old game that they sell themselves direct or just something from Steam.
Personally if I was gonna go that far I'd contact the devs to let them know I've done this to show much it matters to me that I want them to be rewarded for their hard work but not THQ.
Buy the game you want used then, if possible, buy something else from the dev that doesn't involve THQ. For ex. Merch or maybe buy an old game that they sell themselves direct or just something from Steam.
Personally if I was gonna go that far I'd contact the devs to let them know I've done this to show much it matters to me that I want them to be rewarded for their hard work but not THQ.
I think that if anyone wants to help apply pressure on THQ for their f@ckery, a delay of purchase for a good number of days will surely have a beneficial effect on this effort and you ll get to play the title only a few days later. It is not ideal but it is something, i think.
After all, there is absolutely no reason for any boycott to continue if THQ does what needs to be done but staying vigilant with them is a safe move since they proved they can not be trusted.
After all, there is absolutely no reason for any boycott to continue if THQ does what needs to be done but staying vigilant with them is a safe move since they proved they can not be trusted.
Not sure why you would requote it. That's a knucklehead post, I'm sorry. Not sure why simple disinterest is cool, but not wanting to support actions you don't agree with isn't.
I don't think you can be just "fired" if you own enough shares of the company.
I applaud anyone willing to boycott, but what I think people should do especially is make their displeasure heard across social media. Boycotts can be easily ignored, especially small ones. But sustained vocal complaints are impossible to ignore. That can cause reputation damage and force a company to take action. So if you're not buying something specifically for this reason, make sure to let them know.
If you closed a deal with this publisher without knowing anything about the "culture" of the publisher then that's on them and they deserve the boycott so they don't make deals with horrible companies next and not be driven by money only.
The thing is, it's an immensely bad look after THQ Nordic barely apologized before. If they don't do something more significant, their entire brand will be linked with a site that gave a mass shooter a platform, regardless of when it happened. Any company that might wanna partner with them (like Nickelodeon or other licensees) will do their research, see that connection, and immediately choose against it.
Even from a capitalistic point of view, THQ Nordic choosing to remain silent will be baffling.
Did I miss something? What happened today?
I love the Metro devs and unless I missed them doing something, will continue to support them.
I love the Metro devs and unless I missed them doing something, will continue to support them.
For those who want to follow tru this, I feel really bad for Atlus fans in Europe, since Deep Silver releases everything there. As pointed earlier in this thread, if you want any of this games, you are not gonna die or suffer if you wait a bit, get the game discounted or second handed if you don't want that much money to be in THQNordic's hands.
There are nearly always ways to get rid of people in any public company. Their actions and subsequent negligence could easily be argued as causing serious damage to the image of the company and most companies have a means of forced buyouts, especially for employees.
So just a FYI, THQ Nordic has been involved in distributing Microsoft titles to steam.
ReCore: Definitive Edition
Super Lucky's Tale
Disneyland Adventures
Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection
Quantum Break, Ori and the Blind Forest, and State of Decay 1 are also listed on THQ's site too. They also seem to have distributed Sunset Overdrive on steam.
ReCore: Definitive Edition
Super Lucky's Tale
Disneyland Adventures
Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection
Quantum Break, Ori and the Blind Forest, and State of Decay 1 are also listed on THQ's site too. They also seem to have distributed Sunset Overdrive on steam.
Silky big ups my man.
They won't get any money from it if you sell your used copy and it prevents someone else from giving them cash.
I'd be very curious to see how it would play out if MS were to partner with them on any other games in the future.
Has nick said anything at all about this? Journalists should have been hitting them up for statements.
because when you dont buy a game for disinterest, you are sending the message to the right people. they made a game that doesnt interest you, they dont get your money, its pretty simple.
when you are boycotting stuff to this degree, 99% of the people you are harming are bystanders, the message doesnt get to the people it needs to.
excuse the bad analogy but if one is like sniping the offender from a distance, boycotting is nuking a whole city block and hoping the guy understands it was his fault.
From news I read it was streamed in Facebook, is that incorrect?
Let's not try to justify piracy.
I already contacted THQN directly shortly after the 8chan fiasco and told them that I won't be buying any of their products anymore. I hope more people take a harder stance after recent events and put some pressure on them. This shit is no joke.
Boycotts are a personal decision, and if anybody wants to go through with it they are free to do so. I'm not gonna judge, or criticise those that do.
But some facts of the matter regarding Shenmue III (as it's really the only game I'm intimately familiar with on the list):
. If you got Shenmue III via Kickstarter or the Slacker Backer system, absolutely no money has gone to Deep Silver.
. Deep Silver only became the publisher in mid-2017, and their parent company (Koch Media) was then acquired by THQ Nordic last year. Deep Silver do not have full or probably even the majority of equity in the game, and sales do not automatically line THQ Nordic's pockets with gold.
. There are several layers of separation between this game, and the division of THQ Nordic responsible for the 8Chan AMA.
. Expecting Ys Net to come out against a subsidiary of their publisher's parent company's parent company, on issues they may not even be aware of (no idea if this news got picked up in Japan, or if anybody at the studio follows that stuff), 6 months before the launch of their game, is a gross misunderstanding of business leverage dynamics. The Japanese also tend not to air dirty laundry publicly either.
Again, it is a personal choice to boycott, and I definitely don't blame anybody for wanting to take action given THQ Nordic's attempts to let it all blow over. I just think an injection of a few facts was necessary for those not quite sure what the arrangement was with this game.
But I do think a more effective method of making something happen will be trying to lobby THQ Nordic's larger partners to reconsider business ties. It's more likely to get their attention and affect their bottom line, if Microsoft or Nickelodeon decided to axe/not renew business deals for multi-year, multi-game contracts because of THQ Nordic's relative inactivity to address this problem.
But some facts of the matter regarding Shenmue III (as it's really the only game I'm intimately familiar with on the list):
. If you got Shenmue III via Kickstarter or the Slacker Backer system, absolutely no money has gone to Deep Silver.
. Deep Silver only became the publisher in mid-2017, and their parent company (Koch Media) was then acquired by THQ Nordic last year. Deep Silver do not have full or probably even the majority of equity in the game, and sales do not automatically line THQ Nordic's pockets with gold.
. There are several layers of separation between this game, and the division of THQ Nordic responsible for the 8Chan AMA.
. Expecting Ys Net to come out against a subsidiary of their publisher's parent company's parent company, on issues they may not even be aware of (no idea if this news got picked up in Japan, or if anybody at the studio follows that stuff), 6 months before the launch of their game, is a gross misunderstanding of business leverage dynamics. The Japanese also tend not to air dirty laundry publicly either.
Again, it is a personal choice to boycott, and I definitely don't blame anybody for wanting to take action given THQ Nordic's attempts to let it all blow over. I just think an injection of a few facts was necessary for those not quite sure what the arrangement was with this game.
But I do think a more effective method of making something happen will be trying to lobby THQ Nordic's larger partners to reconsider business ties. It's more likely to get their attention and affect their bottom line, if Microsoft or Nickelodeon decided to axe/not renew business deals for multi-year, multi-game contracts because of THQ Nordic's relative inactivity to address this problem.
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