For people who want to boycott THQNordic and Deep Silver, here are the list of games they are publishing

Gundam

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn’t enough for you to “punish developers for the actions of a few”


Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.

Gamers rise up.
 

HalStep

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Oct 27, 2017
587
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?

i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
 

Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
1,302
Most posters above me have pointed this out, but yes, it is not any consumer's responsibility to bolster a company if that company makes bad products or poor choices.

If you don't go to a restaurant because it has shitty food, no one attempts to argue "but the waiters have nothing to do with that! You're hurting the waiters!"

If you don't see a movie because the trailer had bad acting, no one attempts to argue "but the cinematographers had nothing to do with the acting! You're hurting the cinematographers!"

No consumer has any obligation to actively spend their money and support a product, even if by not doing so "hurts" people who weren't involved in the thing that made you not interested.

Attempting to argue this point is fucking bananas. And again, *I SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER*.
 

Rodney McKay

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Oct 26, 2017
3,228
Deep Silver is part of THQ Nordiq
That's what I thought, but the article I ready about SR3 on Switch just mentioned Deep Silver as publisher. So THQ Nordic is a publisher that owns other publishers? Or do they just publish games Deep Silver doesn't publish themselves?

I guess if that's the case I can always wait for a used physical copy of that one too assuming it gets a physical release.
 

TheMrPliskin

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Oct 26, 2017
2,260
Wait, is this for NA or Europe or what? How are they involved with the Yakuza series in NA??
Deep Silver publishes a lot of Sega/Atlus titles in Europe. To my knowledge they have 0 involvement with the NA side of things.
Why should we punish the devs when the guys from marketing messed up?
Actually read the OP so you can understand what the thread relates to. Then read the thread to understand why this post is entirely worthless.
 

TheIdiot

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Oct 27, 2017
1,653
If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn’t enough for you to “punish developers for the actions of a few”


Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.

Gamers rise up.
Calm down. Who even said that? Quit spouting out insults like "fuck you" to hypothetical users. I feel like most people on this forum are constantly angry.
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,300
United Kingdom
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?

i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
Think it's 1.
 

Conan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
133
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?

i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
I think most of those deals are done on a game by game basis, so hard to say.
Most posters above me have pointed this out, but yes, it is not any consumer's responsibility to bolster a company if that company makes bad products or poor choices.

If you don't go to a restaurant because it has shitty food, no one attempts to argue "but the waiters have nothing to do with that! You're hurting the waiters!"

If you don't see a movie because the trailer had bad acting, no one attempts to argue "but the writers had nothing to do with how acting! You're hurting the writers!"

No consumer has any obligation to actively spend their money and support a product, even if by not doing so "hurts" people who weren't involved in the thing that made you not interested.

Attempting to argue this point is fucking bananas. And again, *I SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER*.
The problem with that analogy is the food being bad is the product they are selling, what Nordic has done here has no impact on the games themselves (as far as we know). Much more accurate situation would be if the owner of the building that the restaurant is located in did something awful, and your decision if you should do business in that restaurant at all.
 

nillansan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
954
Denmark
I feel like most people on this forum are constantly angry.
A number of issues affect people very differently, a lot of people have the privilege to just throw their hands up and just shout "it's really not that big of a deal" and not show any degree of empathy because they aren't affected by those issues, which in turn pisses off the people that are in fact affected by those issues.
 

ianpm31

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,877
A bunch of AA and indie IP's are all part of this list.

If you guys think corporations are saints then ERA must really be in a bubble. Might as well boycott almost everything from media to your internet provider.
 

Feep

Lead Designer, Iridium Studios
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
1,302
The problem with that analogy is the food being bad is the product they are selling, what Nordic has done here has no impact on the games themselves (as far as we know). Much more accurate situation would be if the owner of the building that the restaurant is located in did something awful, and your decision if you should do business in that restaurant at all.
The analogy is fine in that there no effective difference between reasons a person decides to not engage with a product. Low quality is a common one, of course. So is the product being too expensive. So is the product being difficult to obtain. And, of course, so is feeling a moral imperative to not support unethical businesses.

The exact nature of the reason is irrelevant. The point is that NO MATTER THE REASON, consumers don't have to continue engaging in a product if they don't want to, regardless of pearl clutching over "uninvolved" people being "hurt".
 

Wolf

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Oct 25, 2017
1,240
If that did happen that's on THQ. Also your initial post totally downplayed the importance of who was involved in the AMA, you could at least have read some of the context provided in the op before coming in here with these bad arguments.
I completely understand who was involved in the AMA. They fucked up. THQ Nordic is clearly ran by a bunch of dumbshits who should be out of jobs. They should be punished. Not the developers who simply have to sit and watch as their livelihoods are destroyed because of the bad decision of people they have nothing to do with.

Okay, so let's do nothing at all, that'll solve everything.
What kind of result are you expecting out of this? Are you wanting THQ Nordic to go out of business? Are you wanting every single developer they have under their wing to fail? Protests usually have a goal - what is your goal here? I'd consider a public apology, donating a large part of their revenue towards charities that benefit good causes, and announcing that they're terminating everyone involved to be sufficient.

Do you just fork over cash for each and every game that's being released under the sky?
Of course not, but I'm not going to suddenly not support a game I was looking forward to because of the actions of a few dumbshits who have largely nothing to do with the actual developers themselves.

I don't really have anything against those who are just going to completely drop all support for anything that THQ Nordic touches. That's fine, and it's your right as a consumer. I just would like to think those folks understand that there will be a ton of people impacted who had absolutely nothing to do with it, and are very likely as horrified by what they did as much as you or I am. Unless I missed something, up until this point it seemed like THQ Nordic was a relatively well-accepted brand and people were excited about their potential. I imagine a lot of developers joined their respective companies and set up deals with THQ Nordic thinking the same thing.

If the developers themselves were supporting this kind of trash, it'd be a completely different story. But I don't think punishing developers who put in so much work to release their games should be punished. Just because they are signed with THQ Nordic does not mean they support anything that they do as a business.
 

MrNelson

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Oct 25, 2017
1,389
Tampa, FL
That's what I thought, but the article I ready about SR3 on Switch just mentioned Deep Silver as publisher. So THQ Nordic is a publisher that owns other publishers? Or do they just publish games Deep Silver doesn't publish themselves?

I guess if that's the case I can always wait for a used physical copy of that one too assuming it gets a physical release.
THQ Nordic AB is a holding company that has control over subsidiaries such as Deep Silver and THQ Nordic GmbH.

And yes, if you want to play a game, but don't want to give THQ (or its subsidiaries) your money, buying used is a good way to do it.
 

ianpm31

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Oct 27, 2017
1,877
THQ Nordic AB is a holding company that has control over subsidiaries such as Deep Silver and THQ Nordic GmbH.

And yes, if you want to play a game, but don't want to give THQ (or its subsidiaries) your money, buying used is a good way to do it.
So give gamestop my money? That's a saint of a company right there
 

Conan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
133
The analogy is fine in that there no effective difference between reasons a person decides to not engage with a product. Low quality is a common one, of course. So is the product being too expensive. So is the product being difficult to obtain. And, of course, so is feeling a moral imperative to not support unethical businesses.

The exact nature of the reason is irrelevant. The point is that NO MATTER THE REASON, consumers don't have to continue engaging in a product if they don't want to, regardless of pearl clutching over "uninvolved" people being "hurt".
The main reason I make the distinction is because it's easy for me to draw a line between the developer and the publisher. If a restaurant I frequented used some morally awful company that handled all of their cutlery and plates and were stuck in a contract with them, I might be somewhat forgiving. If they decided to use them again after they knew about their views I would be much more likely to boycott them.

At the very least I'm going to think twice before I buy anything they publish and will certainly voice my displeasure with anybody that continues to do business with them.
 

mazi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,108
If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn’t enough for you to “punish developers for the actions of a few”

Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.

Gamers rise up.
i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.
 
Apr 14, 2018
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Until the developer is forced to lay off employees or close their doors due to games not selling well.
Well actually it's the complete opposite.

If THQ chose to lay off employees and shuttle developers instead firing the people responsible for promoting pedophilia and mass murder, then no one sucessfully forced them to do anything.
 

TheMrPliskin

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Oct 26, 2017
2,260
I completely understand who was involved in the AMA. They fucked up. THQ Nordic is clearly ran by a bunch of dumbshits who should be out of jobs. They should be punished. Not the developers who simply have to sit and watch as their livelihoods are destroyed because of the bad decision of people they have nothing to do with.
Your original post said:
I refuse to punish the hard-working developers of those titles for the mistakes of a couple fucked up idiots in their publishers PR department.
The people involved in the AMA were a marketing director and product development director. It's not like they were some random interns. Regardless, THQ should have considered the effect this would have on their brand and their business partners before they did the AMA. Any lost sales because of this are on their backs not the people doing a boycott.
i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.
That isn't what they said though.
 

Famassu

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Oct 27, 2017
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Sucks but I guess no Shenmue III, Biomutant, Wasteland 3, Pillars of Eternity 2, Darksiders 3, Bard's Tale IV or such for me. I hope there's still a way for some of these developers to detach from their publishing deal with THQ before the release of their games, but I'm not sure if I see them doing that, considering how limbless the whole gaming industry's response to this whole thing has been.
 

Aters

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
7,948
Might want to add the regions they are publishing. Some of those games are not published by them in many regions.
 

halfbeast

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,084
Wait, are you European, and was your copy physical? Because in Europe, Capcom games are distributed by Koch Media (which belongs to THQN).
yes, EU and no, it was a digital copy from the psn store. it was also in January. I do own Darksiders, Hitman and This War of Mine. maybe you can use that for some argument.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
5,850
A bunch of AA and indie IP's are all part of this list.

If you guys think corporations are saints then ERA must really be in a bubble. Might as well boycott almost everything from media to your internet provider.
Literally nobody thinks this and your whataboutism is stupid. You don't need to join in boycotting a publisher that condones child porn but it's honestly just straight up worrying that so many people are getting so defensive about the idea.
 

Tizoc

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Oct 25, 2017
17,218
Oman
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?

i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
They already got the money long time ago whether you downloaded it or not. Least that's how I figure it.
 

Iddshane

Member
Dec 2, 2017
75
If these developers make some good games, then I'll play them.

I don't think all of these developers hard work should go to waste just because of a few bad apples.
 

Shadow2222

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
249
They already got the money long time ago whether you downloaded it or not. Least that's how I figure it.
For those taking this very seriously, this brings up the point that if PS+ or Games with Gold features a THQ Nordic game in the future, you may need to consider dropping those subscriptions as it means Sony/Microsoft is actively funding them. I know multiple people have mentioned dropping Gamepass due to this.

What do people think about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo helping to market THQ Nordic games going forward, whether it be via their Youtube channels (or other social media) or in their digital stores?
 

Thuddert

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Oct 25, 2017
3,643
Netherlands
It should be noted that Koch media is also owned by THQ, which is the retail distributor in Europe.

They publish games under the Deep Silver and Ravenscourt labels.
To add to myself, the following console games in Europe have been published under Ravenscourt according to their website:

Let's Sing 2018
Let's Sing 2019
Illusion: A Tale of the Mind
428: Shibuya Scramble (Spike Chunsoft)
Fire Pro Wrestling World (Spike Chunsoft)
Steins;Gate Elite (5pb/Spike Chunsoft)

It's a new label for focusing on simulation games. The Let's Sing series used to be under the Deep Silver label. Deep Silver is for the "core games".

The Spike Chunsoft games can also be bought digitally on PC, they publish it themselves there.
 

MrNelson

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Oct 25, 2017
1,389
Tampa, FL
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?

i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
I think I remember seeing that they get paid based on how many people redeem the game, so you redeeming the game would be the part where they got the money.
 

Gundam

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Oct 25, 2017
7,844
A bunch of AA and indie IP's are all part of this list.

If you guys think corporations are saints then ERA must really be in a bubble. Might as well boycott almost everything from media to your internet provider.
You don’t have to buy video games. Many people don’t have a choice in ISP.

i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.

You don’t have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is “not wanting to hurt the developers” then y’all can fuck right off if you’ve boycotted any game before for literally any reason.

Because that means that either you’re okay with 8chan, or that means you’re obscuring your actual reasoning (probably “but I want this game”) behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you’re too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you’ll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.
 

Kage Maru

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Oct 27, 2017
3,546
I already backed Shenmue in the Kickstarter and as far as we know, deep silver isn't getting any of the backer money. So I'm keeping that but will boycott the rest until something legit is done.
 

TheMrPliskin

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Oct 26, 2017
2,260
Literally nobody thinks this and your whataboutism is stupid. You don't need to join in boycotting a publisher that condones child porn but it's honestly just straight up worrying that so many people are getting so defensive about the idea.
Yup. The thread is even specifically labelled for people who want to boycott them so rushing in here and getting defensive about the fact that people are choosing to boycott isn't exactly a good look.
 

mazi

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Oct 27, 2017
20,108
You don’t have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is “not wanting to hurt the developers” then y’all can fuck right off if you’ve boycotted any game before for literally any reason.

Because that means that either you’re okay with 8chan, or that means you’re obscuring your actual reasoning (probably “but I want this game”) behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you’re too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you’ll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.
i agree with your point, and with some people's excuses being very flimsy, but i still think it's very harsh to say that "it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia". that's all.
 

Trejo

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Oct 25, 2017
973
Normally I would be totally fine with not buying any of THQ's games until I know for a fact that every single asshole involved in that debacle has been sacked but I've been literally waiting for Shenmue III since I was like 16 years old so unfortunately for me it'd seem like my desire for that game outweighs my sense of morals in this case.
 

tkato

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Oct 27, 2017
40
This form of collective punishment towards the livelyhood of many good people is honestly not very flattering. 8chan is cancer, what happened in NZ is crazy and disgusting, but should we all stop using Facebook because the guy streamed his shooting there?, no, THQ Noridc were daft and they got the heat for it, let it go.
 

Conan

Member
Oct 25, 2017
133
You don’t have to buy video games. Many people don’t have a choice in ISP.




You don’t have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is “not wanting to hurt the developers” then y’all can fuck right off if you’ve boycotted any game before for literally any reason.

Because that means that either you’re okay with 8chan, or that means you’re obscuring your actual reasoning (probably “but I want this game”) behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you’re too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you’ll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.
I think it is a pretty clear distinction between something actually being in a game that is objectionable vs the company that just happens to be managing the distribution in certain regions. Context matters.
 

KORNdog

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Oct 30, 2017
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Funded shenmue already so not much I can do about that one. As for the rest, they tend to make mediocre crap so I don’t think it’ll be too hard to avoid their output.
 

Iddshane

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Dec 2, 2017
75
This form of collective punishment towards the livelyhood of many good people is honestly not very flattering. 8chan is cancer, what happened in NZ is crazy and disgusting, but should we all stop using Facebook because the guy streamed his shooting there?, no, THQ Noridc were daft and they got the heat for it, let it go.
Selective morality