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For people who want to boycott THQNordic and Deep Silver, here are the list of games they are publishing
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If you boycott games for MTX or platform exclusivity, and a publisher promoting a white supremacist terrorist pedophile message board isn't enough for you to "punish developers for the actions of a few"
Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.
Gamers rise up.
Sorry but fuck you, I kinda think that makes you a really shitty person with no backbone and warped priorities over a toy. At the least, it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia.
Gamers rise up.
quick question,does anyone know how ps+ works ?
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
i've got darksiders 2 in my ps library as a ps+ game but never downloaded it,so which i right ?
1- they already got their money because it was part of ps+.
2- they got their money because i added it to my library whether i downloaded it or not.
3- they won't get any money until i start downloading it.
Most posters above me have pointed this out, but yes, it is not any consumer's responsibility to bolster a company if that company makes bad products or poor choices.
If you don't go to a restaurant because it has shitty food, no one attempts to argue "but the waiters have nothing to do with that! You're hurting the waiters!"
If you don't see a movie because the trailer had bad acting, no one attempts to argue "but the cinematographers had nothing to do with the acting! You're hurting the cinematographers!"
No consumer has any obligation to actively spend their money and support a product, even if by not doing so "hurts" people who weren't involved in the thing that made you not interested.
Attempting to argue this point is fucking bananas. And again, *I SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER*.
If you don't go to a restaurant because it has shitty food, no one attempts to argue "but the waiters have nothing to do with that! You're hurting the waiters!"
If you don't see a movie because the trailer had bad acting, no one attempts to argue "but the cinematographers had nothing to do with the acting! You're hurting the cinematographers!"
No consumer has any obligation to actively spend their money and support a product, even if by not doing so "hurts" people who weren't involved in the thing that made you not interested.
Attempting to argue this point is fucking bananas. And again, *I SAY THAT AS A DEVELOPER*.
That's what I thought, but the article I ready about SR3 on Switch just mentioned Deep Silver as publisher. So THQ Nordic is a publisher that owns other publishers? Or do they just publish games Deep Silver doesn't publish themselves?
I guess if that's the case I can always wait for a used physical copy of that one too assuming it gets a physical release.
Deep Silver publishes a lot of Sega/Atlus titles in Europe. To my knowledge they have 0 involvement with the NA side of things.
Actually read the OP so you can understand what the thread relates to. Then read the thread to understand why this post is entirely worthless.
Calm down. Who even said that? Quit spouting out insults like "fuck you" to hypothetical users. I feel like most people on this forum are constantly angry.
Have you even been following this discourse since it started?
I think most of those deals are done on a game by game basis, so hard to say.
The problem with that analogy is the food being bad is the product they are selling, what Nordic has done here has no impact on the games themselves (as far as we know). Much more accurate situation would be if the owner of the building that the restaurant is located in did something awful, and your decision if you should do business in that restaurant at all.
Not doing business with a company is not punishing its employees. Thats a very juvenile position to hold. They still get their pay checks.
The one victimizing them are the leadership who allow bad practices.
A number of issues affect people very differently, a lot of people have the privilege to just throw their hands up and just shout "it's really not that big of a deal" and not show any degree of empathy because they aren't affected by those issues, which in turn pisses off the people that are in fact affected by those issues.
The analogy is fine in that there no effective difference between reasons a person decides to not engage with a product. Low quality is a common one, of course. So is the product being too expensive. So is the product being difficult to obtain. And, of course, so is feeling a moral imperative to not support unethical businesses.
The exact nature of the reason is irrelevant. The point is that NO MATTER THE REASON, consumers don't have to continue engaging in a product if they don't want to, regardless of pearl clutching over "uninvolved" people being "hurt".
thanks for the replies,it seems like the chances are good they already got paid and i won't be contributing anything to them.i might ignore it to be safe,not sure yet.
I don't know why, but Sega isn't publishing Shenmue III in the US, either. It's a Deep Silver joint unless and until the publishing agreement expires.
I completely understand who was involved in the AMA. They fucked up. THQ Nordic is clearly ran by a bunch of dumbshits who should be out of jobs. They should be punished. Not the developers who simply have to sit and watch as their livelihoods are destroyed because of the bad decision of people they have nothing to do with.
What kind of result are you expecting out of this? Are you wanting THQ Nordic to go out of business? Are you wanting every single developer they have under their wing to fail? Protests usually have a goal - what is your goal here? I'd consider a public apology, donating a large part of their revenue towards charities that benefit good causes, and announcing that they're terminating everyone involved to be sufficient.
Of course not, but I'm not going to suddenly not support a game I was looking forward to because of the actions of a few dumbshits who have largely nothing to do with the actual developers themselves.
I don't really have anything against those who are just going to completely drop all support for anything that THQ Nordic touches. That's fine, and it's your right as a consumer. I just would like to think those folks understand that there will be a ton of people impacted who had absolutely nothing to do with it, and are very likely as horrified by what they did as much as you or I am. Unless I missed something, up until this point it seemed like THQ Nordic was a relatively well-accepted brand and people were excited about their potential. I imagine a lot of developers joined their respective companies and set up deals with THQ Nordic thinking the same thing.
If the developers themselves were supporting this kind of trash, it'd be a completely different story. But I don't think punishing developers who put in so much work to release their games should be punished. Just because they are signed with THQ Nordic does not mean they support anything that they do as a business.
THQ Nordic AB is a holding company that has control over subsidiaries such as Deep Silver and THQ Nordic GmbH.
And yes, if you want to play a game, but don't want to give THQ (or its subsidiaries) your money, buying used is a good way to do it.
So give gamestop my money? That's a saint of a company right there
The main reason I make the distinction is because it's easy for me to draw a line between the developer and the publisher. If a restaurant I frequented used some morally awful company that handled all of their cutlery and plates and were stuck in a contract with them, I might be somewhat forgiving. If they decided to use them again after they knew about their views I would be much more likely to boycott them.
At the very least I'm going to think twice before I buy anything they publish and will certainly voice my displeasure with anybody that continues to do business with them.
Until the developer is forced to lay off employees or close their doors due to games not selling well.
i'm sorry but this isn't ok. you don't get to say "fuck you" and call people complicit in vile stuff simply cuz they choose not to boycott thq nordic.
Well actually it's the complete opposite.
If THQ chose to lay off employees and shuttle developers instead firing the people responsible for promoting pedophilia and mass murder, then no one sucessfully forced them to do anything.
Your original post said:
The people involved in the AMA were a marketing director and product development director. It's not like they were some random interns. Regardless, THQ should have considered the effect this would have on their brand and their business partners before they did the AMA. Any lost sales because of this are on their backs not the people doing a boycott.
That isn't what they said though.
Sucks but I guess no Shenmue III, Biomutant, Wasteland 3, Pillars of Eternity 2, Darksiders 3, Bard's Tale IV or such for me. I hope there's still a way for some of these developers to detach from their publishing deal with THQ before the release of their games, but I'm not sure if I see them doing that, considering how limbless the whole gaming industry's response to this whole thing has been.
yes, EU and no, it was a digital copy from the psn store. it was also in January. I do own Darksiders, Hitman and This War of Mine. maybe you can use that for some argument.
Literally nobody thinks this and your whataboutism is stupid. You don't need to join in boycotting a publisher that condones child porn but it's honestly just straight up worrying that so many people are getting so defensive about the idea.
I'm not boycotting THQ, but they are not publishing any games I care about so they still won't get my money
They already got the money long time ago whether you downloaded it or not. Least that's how I figure it.
For those taking this very seriously, this brings up the point that if PS+ or Games with Gold features a THQ Nordic game in the future, you may need to consider dropping those subscriptions as it means Sony/Microsoft is actively funding them. I know multiple people have mentioned dropping Gamepass due to this.
What do people think about Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo helping to market THQ Nordic games going forward, whether it be via their Youtube channels (or other social media) or in their digital stores?
To add to myself, the following console games in Europe have been published under Ravenscourt according to their website:
Let's Sing 2018
Let's Sing 2019
Illusion: A Tale of the Mind
428: Shibuya Scramble (Spike Chunsoft)
Fire Pro Wrestling World (Spike Chunsoft)
Steins;Gate Elite (5pb/Spike Chunsoft)
It's a new label for focusing on simulation games. The Let's Sing series used to be under the Deep Silver label. Deep Silver is for the "core games".
The Spike Chunsoft games can also be bought digitally on PC, they publish it themselves there.
I think I remember seeing that they get paid based on how many people redeem the game, so you redeeming the game would be the part where they got the money.
You don't have to buy video games. Many people don't have a choice in ISP.
You don't have to boycott THQ. But if your reasoning is "not wanting to hurt the developers" then y'all can fuck right off if you've boycotted any game before for literally any reason.
Because that means that either you're okay with 8chan, or that means you're obscuring your actual reasoning (probably "but I want this game") behind a flimsy faux-pro developer stance because you're too embarrassed over just wanting a game that you'll attempt to take a moral high ground over it.
Yup. The thread is even specifically labelled for people who want to boycott them so rushing in here and getting defensive about the fact that people are choosing to boycott isn't exactly a good look.
i agree with your point, and with some people's excuses being very flimsy, but i still think it's very harsh to say that "it makes you complicit with white supremacy, terrorism, and pedophilia". that's all.
Normally I would be totally fine with not buying any of THQ's games until I know for a fact that every single asshole involved in that debacle has been sacked but I've been literally waiting for Shenmue III since I was like 16 years old so unfortunately for me it'd seem like my desire for that game outweighs my sense of morals in this case.
This form of collective punishment towards the livelyhood of many good people is honestly not very flattering. 8chan is cancer, what happened in NZ is crazy and disgusting, but should we all stop using Facebook because the guy streamed his shooting there?, no, THQ Noridc were daft and they got the heat for it, let it go.
I think it is a pretty clear distinction between something actually being in a game that is objectionable vs the company that just happens to be managing the distribution in certain regions. Context matters.
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You people don't give a fuck about game developers, so quit with the crocodile tears.
