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For people who want to boycott THQNordic and Deep Silver, here are the list of games they are publishing
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DM these wrongdoers and tell them how they can make themselves better, meanwhile let other people do what they feel is necessary. No harm done.
They posted this tweet half an hour after the AMA was announced. So they knew the reputation of the site before they did it.
I'm not gonna link directly to screencaps of them blatantly pandering to pedophiles and other lowlifes, but here's a nice summary, albeit with some broken images.
8chan is most definitely a vile place and clearly should be held to scrutiny, but Facebook, while a shitty company, in comparison is heavily regulated and while people share disgusting things it's because people are disgusting, not because Facebook is. 8chan is a cesspool.
You're just throwing pitchforks around, there are hundreds of people employed by the studio, why should they pay for the mistake of one?
Well, the game was Kickstarted. Team is independent and latest updates look great. THQ didn't finance the whole development as such so it's a different case I feel from THQ owned studios.
It's similar with Atlus and Europe. Although Atlus has it's own major issues separate from THQ crap.
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So there's no more room for grey in this black and white world?, sorry for not being an extremist.
They posted this tweet half an hour after the AMA was announced. So they knew the reputation of the site before they did it.
I'm not gonna link directly to screencaps of them blatantly pandering to pedophiles and other lowlifes, but here's a nice summary, albeit with some broken images.
I saw the whole thing when it happened. Thanks for the recap though. They've also had 3 different apologies by this point. (Maybe 2) and even if you don't like what was said or how it feels to you they still did more than they could have FOR NOW and we don't know what is going on outside of our eyes and it's not really our business on how the people involved may have been reprimanded or educated.
My simple take to this is that firing seems a bit Disney like, and even Disney just rehired James Gunn. If Disney can learn forgiveness, then maybe we can too.
If my money and support eventually goes to the department that wanted to casually chat it up with white supremist/doxxers/alt-right extremeist/terroirsts/child porn loving nazis, then I'm staying away.
I don't give benefit of the doubt to people who would want myself and others eradicated. And I definitley don't give them my money. Easy.
Basically how I'm seeing it. I directly gave my money to Ys Net by backing the Kickstarter, so THQ Nordic will have seen none of that.
So buy them used.
You get to keep playing Yakuza, and you don't have give your money to a company that signal boosted a site that hosts content and discussion on sexually abusing children.
The tweets James Gunn came under fire for were the better part of a decade old when the controversy erupted, and by all accounts, Gunn had grown as a person since had made them.
This AMA took place less than a month ago. There is no evidence that the people involved have grown in any meaningful way since then.
Also, I need to stress that, even the jokes were quite tasteless, there is still massive gulf between joking about pedophilia and using a site populated by pedophiles for the purpose of marketing.
Why should people who happily endorsed a site that was delisted for ties to child porn be given a second chance. Give somebody else who isn't a shitbag that role rather that giving shitty people numerous chances.
This wasn't some accident, they 100% knew what they were getting into and happily engaged with comments about lolis and homophobia. Anybody would know that if you tied your employer to that type of content then there will be consequences (you'd like to think so at least) and they should face those consequences. The people involved are fucking garbage and the industry would be better without them.
Also if you don't understand why it's a bullshit apology despite apparently seeing a lot of people say so then I don't know what to tell you. There was plenty of discussion when that apology was issued that broke down why the apology was bullshit, namely that it was contradicted by the actual events that took place and because it came way too late for statements about doing better to actually mean anything without any details or proof that those statements were more than words.
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Yeah I'm not going to punish Yu Suzuki over something he had nothing to do with. He deserves his game to be a success.
Nothing stopping Yu Suzuki or any of the developers to come out and condemn 8chan or Nordics actions. So far it's just crickets.
Holy shit that list of games. I ,as a consumer, want to boycott them but they are getting way too big to even keep up with what they are publishing.
He doesn't care about their publishers signal boosting a terrorist site which ended up cheering the mosque attack with 49 death toll, why should we care about him?
I'm not asking these 'poor developers' to terminate their contract with the publisher, but at least say something about all this. So far, they couldn't care less.
A good way to ensure that this is not forgotten is to sticky it and then let OP update it periodically.
Why is there so much benefit of the doubt given to people who wanted to chat it up with white nationalist? The same site the terrorist was plotting the tragedy.
If you fire the dudes responsible I can see that you're actively taking steps to remove those people from your work culture.
But I'm just supposed to assume they got enlightened and educated "behind the scenes". Just hope that they now see the error of the ways?? (Even though they haven't done shit)
How is that not foolish/idiotic?
I'm supposed to have forgiveness for normalizing behavior/attitudes that actively puts others in danger/fear of their lives? Why should I do that?
The lack of understanding of what a boycott's purpose is sort dumbfounding here. Let me put it plainly, the PURPOSE of a BOYCOTT is not to punish people financially, it's to make a corporation or organization change its mind about something. There are multiple mechanisms this can be achieved - one of them might be financial in advocating a large amount of people not to purchase something, but the other might be to raise outrage about the particular position of the company that is at issue. The people in this thread (and in the Rockstar threads and in the CD Projeckt Red threads) are aiming to get THQ to acknowledge the gravity of the situation they find themselves and make public how they intend to rectify it. It's not about "punishing developers."
Furthermore, saying that those who are choosing to boycott the company are "punishing innocent bystanders" is completely idiotic. By that logic, we should be upset at every single person who doesn't purchase the game because they are, by said logic, punishing the developers. Well guess what? Even a game like Call of Duty sells around 10 million copies, which means that 99.86% of the world's population are punishing those developers. Where is your outrage about that? Can you understand how foolish you sound? Let me give you another example - I (a gamer) was sort of on the fence for Shenmue III - I might've bought it, might've not, depending on how it was received. I'm not purchasing it for sure now. In what world have I lead to a developer being financially shortchanged? Chances were that I wasn't going to buy the game in any case, and what, I'm supposed to feel bad for some random developer because I cemented my decision not to buy a game that he worked on?
It feels crazy to me that I have write this out.
Last thing - I often see a sort of sneering attitude on this forum towards people who are choosing to boycott products. Again, I think you misunderstand what the purpose of a boycott is. What, exactly, is so laughable about someone deciding that they don't want their money knowingly in the pocket of a company who employs people that visit a website like 8chan - we witnessed those employees interact with the denizens of 8chan in ways that show how complicit they are in the sorts of disgusting rhetoric and though that goes on there. Honestly, if buying objects is so important to you that you can ignore these things, fine, it doesn't make you a bad person, but I do think it's a bad act.
Furthermore, saying that those who are choosing to boycott the company are "punishing innocent bystanders" is completely idiotic. By that logic, we should be upset at every single person who doesn't purchase the game because they are, by said logic, punishing the developers. Well guess what? Even a game like Call of Duty sells around 10 million copies, which means that 99.86% of the world's population are punishing those developers. Where is your outrage about that? Can you understand how foolish you sound? Let me give you another example - I (a gamer) was sort of on the fence for Shenmue III - I might've bought it, might've not, depending on how it was received. I'm not purchasing it for sure now. In what world have I lead to a developer being financially shortchanged? Chances were that I wasn't going to buy the game in any case, and what, I'm supposed to feel bad for some random developer because I cemented my decision not to buy a game that he worked on?
It feels crazy to me that I have write this out.
Last thing - I often see a sort of sneering attitude on this forum towards people who are choosing to boycott products. Again, I think you misunderstand what the purpose of a boycott is. What, exactly, is so laughable about someone deciding that they don't want their money knowingly in the pocket of a company who employs people that visit a website like 8chan - we witnessed those employees interact with the denizens of 8chan in ways that show how complicit they are in the sorts of disgusting rhetoric and though that goes on there. Honestly, if buying objects is so important to you that you can ignore these things, fine, it doesn't make you a bad person, but I do think it's a bad act.
I agree. However, the admins already agreed to keep discussion of their games. Which I believe
we kinda need since some of those publishing contacts were made way before THQNordic went full stupid.
Do we know if any outlets are pressing THQ on their stance since this incident?
Already paid for Shenmue 3 but that'll be it. I was looking forward to the physical version of Wasteland 2 on switch (I backed the original on Kickstarter) but I'll just skip it and stick with the PC version I have.
I keep seeing the perception in this thread that people are telling those that are choosing to boycott that they are wrong or are ridiculing them but couldn't find an example of this, only the opposite. There must be that opinion in the thread somewhere but the people being ridiculed for not boycotting seems much more prevalent.
Koch Media only handles the physical distribution of Yakuza (and Sega games in general) in Europe. If you are in Europe, get the digital version.
The decision of admins does not preclude the scope of this thread though. So either we can sticky this thread that already has laid the foundation in OP or have someone bump it every time a game from THQN shows up to keep members here in the know.
Insofar as outlets are concerned, I do not believe that anyone new will asking for further actions. Previously, (IIRC) Kotaku, Polygon, Eurogamer and Jim Sterling covered it with healthy amount of disapproval.
There's other steps we can take as a gaming community before going straight to the knife and cutting the people. Lets say the dude is somehow a bigot ect. What lesson did you teach him by getting him fired? Just because he's out of sight out of mind doesn't stop the issue. He's still a bigot ect outside of the company.
So what then? You got piece of mind enough to buy the games you wanted to buy? Ok but he's still out there. That's my issue. You solved nothing by getting him fired outside of your own personal interests.
I personally accepted the apology and will buy some of the games I like. Am I perfect? No. I also don't believe in the death penalty. I want people to learn how to be better, and if they can't learn on their own then we have to step up and help them if we take issue.
One of the "he's" in this situation sits on the holding company's board of directors. So if he doesn't get the boot, he gets to be involved in making decisions that affect everyone else in the company. I repeat: the guy who approved an AMA on a child porn site gets to decide which games get made. That in and of itself seems like punishing the devs to me.
Also, quit it with the death penalty comparisons, it makes you look like you're arguing in bad faith.
just get it when this is all over. the longer they sit on their hands the easier it gets to not support a pro-nazi, pro-pedo company.
I want to make a minor correction, and also back up your point.
The guy you are thinking of (Reinhard Pollice) is not technically on the board of directors, but he is part of their upper management and is also a shareholder.
The important part to your point is what his job actually is within the company: http://www.thqnordic-investors.com/en/board-and-management/
As Director of business and production development, it is literally his job to oversee the work being done at THQ's subsidiaries and make the final choice in the direction they go in.
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The same people in here lamenting over the loss of hundreds of developers losing their jobs are the same people here completely opposing the purchasing of games from developers who had literally absolutely nothing to do with the tragic circumstances that surrounded the publisher.
You think the folks in Japan who are developing Shenmue 3 have any relation in the slightest to the single marketing guy at THQ? And now these hardworking devs are to be punished and put their livelihood at jeopardy?
You don't actually give a shit about developers, you never did. Find a better way to voice your displeasure.
Playing and enjoying Shenmue 3 does not mean you a right wing terrorist supporter, give me a fucking break.
You think the folks in Japan who are developing Shenmue 3 have any relation in the slightest to the single marketing guy at THQ? And now these hardworking devs are to be punished and put their livelihood at jeopardy?
You don't actually give a shit about developers, you never did. Find a better way to voice your displeasure.
Playing and enjoying Shenmue 3 does not mean you a right wing terrorist supporter, give me a fucking break.
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Im out of the loop here ,but I thought they already apologized here ?https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/4/18249988/thq-nordic-8chan-ama-apology
What I'm I missing ?
What I'm I missing ?
<3. Nothing more to be said.
You can Google and read what they said on 8chan themselves. It completely contradicts their 'apology'. They're hate-filled racist homophobic assholes. A hollow apology checks boxes but does nothing to stop this type of shit. Enabling and normalizing this type of hate is not acceptable. Fuck them into the sun.
Shenmue's revival is one of the most underdog stories in gaming and bucks big publisher trends and Yu Suzuki is an extremely humbled individual who just wants to get back to making games again. Of all forums I see Shenmue's name on the list and this shit absolutely disgusts me. These guys have nothing to do with this shit.
James Gunn's tweets are almost a decade ago. Disney had enough to assess if they want their brand to be associated with him. That's why the apology was accepted.
THQN's actions were just last month. The only thing they did was release a BS apology. No other actions made that show they are truly against what 8chan stands for.
Is possible it's genuine? Probably. You accept their apology, then God bless your forgiving soul. Some us still want proof.
Does this take time to forgive? Sure. Hell just check James Gunn's Twitter account and you'll still see people posting the old tweets that got him fired in the first place.
Do people have the right to boycott a product for the meantime? Of course. people boycott products they don't want to be associated with. This doesn't limit to games.
People are asking THQN to take this matter seriously. The swiftest way to show it is to fire the people involved with the AMA. Right now some of us just feel that this will be swept under the rug.
Ok I see I thought the problem was only using the web didn't know it goes deeper than that.