red dead redemption took 9 years to develop and thats from an established studio with lots of crunch time. star citizen finished their kickstarter end of 2012 and had to build worldwide studios from scratch.
Forbes: Star Citizen - A Video Game That Raised $300 Million But May Never Be Ready To Play
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This was published in the Forbes magazine and as a person who works in publishing I can tell you it's absolutely standard to take quotes from people who want to stay anonymous.
From the article:
How is that transparent?
I was about to ask if Forbes ever printed gaming articles in their magazine. I used to read it when I was younger (my dad had a subscription) to try and help learn the basics of investing. It's crazy how mainstream gaming has become over the years...
I payed 43$ for the game and will have access to everything from Star Citizen to Squadron 42. How is this predatory?
They are even doing two/three freefly events every year, so people can test it for free. One of them is up right now.
Why you need to know the salary of 2 workers? you have the salary of all the workers together, the money the company need to pay for that and the money they generate....you dont need any more info to see how the game have a healthy economy behind, who cares how much cars/houses or money have one guy of CiG, the money of the CiG company is detailed in all the financial aspects possible.
Stop looking for drama in the personal life of the workers.
Still waiting for hear the problem of work months in the Shields of the ships, a basic mecanic of the game with dozens of reworks for improve.
This is my first time hearing about something like this. I think I'll try it out this afternoon. Is the demo the current build?:) Here you go:
Gathering of the players [not all are visible] above Port Olisar back when Alpha 3.3 went to PTU late past year, before they wen't down to the planet for a lot of shenanigans.
BTW, Star Citizen is free until May 8! Everyone with the [free] account can play it and use 5 various ships [small, big, cargo, mining].
Freefly is just access to the latest [often patched] public build of the game that every backer has.
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Not workers - the management. And it's not detailed as some financial aspects were hidden, as stated in the article.
Read it again: one graphics designer spent months on one shield effect. Not the mechanic, just the visual effect. That's absolutely not how game development works.
What? No, every update improves graphics actually.
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What are you talking about? Shield effect in space sim games in the most important effect in combat as its hit feedback.
And creating universal shaders is not easy.
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Another honest question:
are the devs reliant on continued spending pre-launch? Like if the vast majority of players, like some who posted here, paid their money upfront and haven't given any more to the economy pre-game, do they have enough to "finish" the game? Or at least continue developing for a set number of years? Or do we not know? I know the article says they were down to like 13 million before he went and got more funding, so maybe I missed what their current burn rate is of that money.
are the devs reliant on continued spending pre-launch? Like if the vast majority of players, like some who posted here, paid their money upfront and haven't given any more to the economy pre-game, do they have enough to "finish" the game? Or at least continue developing for a set number of years? Or do we not know? I know the article says they were down to like 13 million before he went and got more funding, so maybe I missed what their current burn rate is of that money.
Im glad at the very least people were able to take the Bioware articles seriously and weren't like:
"In my time working at Bioware, I was horribly mistreated by upper mana-"
"SILENCE YOU FOOL. HOW DARE YOU MAKE THIS FAKE HIT PIECE DESIGNED TO HURT MY FAVOURITE COMPANY"
And if I can't access twitch that means you have no point at all.
You still haven't shown the point where the article is lying or disproven.
Maybe if you showed the financials where they point the salary of the management you would have a point or something.
That's because EA burnt a lot of goodwill.
Miyamoto has a "random employee kidnapping" meme (and to be fair he's also known for not wanting to overwork his teams as well).
If you make games people like and you have a really tight leash on your corporate culture so that nothing goes public, you can get away with a whole fucking lot in this industry.
Ok you win, Scam citizen because one "ANONYMOUS" guy say he was force to work 500 hours in the same effect, ok ok.
And still you need to know how much money 2 WORKERS of the company have in their personal account, when the company have a healthy balance confirmed with transparent data, they need the money to pay the workers, they declare that money, the company money is fine, stop looking in others directions.
Can you point where in the article the writers make the claim that the game is a scam?
Did you read it or is the article a scam or something?
And you think the Execs are just "random" workers?
Are you really comparing that article to the actual investigation that Kotaku and Polygon do?
It's a lot closer to what The Escapist did here.
Did anyone mention that time where Sandi sang a song from the Hitler Youth on stream? When people got upset she claimed it was just a song she learned from her German teacher and didn't know what it was, and they deleted the video. I wish I could find at least a discussion from Googling, but that's something I absolutely remember happening.
Anyway, I took CIG to small claims court here in the UK and they gave me a refund years ago. They settled before a magistrate got involved after months of refusing to refund me anything.
Anyway, I took CIG to small claims court here in the UK and they gave me a refund years ago. They settled before a magistrate got involved after months of refusing to refund me anything.
The article explicitly says it's not fraud (or a scam), so nice comeback?
2 almost finished planets is honestly fucking awesome. I love Elite Dangerous, it's one of my favorite games at the moment but because of the simple procedural nature of explorable planets all of them are very plain like our moon, but afaik Star Citizens planets are each hand crafted with detail similar to earth which is fucking insane, that's like having GTA on a planetary scale, no wonder it's taking so god damn long.
I don't think they'll deliver on all their promises at all but if they can eventually finish up a couple systems I think they'll have a GOTY contender on their hands.
I don't think they'll deliver on all their promises at all but if they can eventually finish up a couple systems I think they'll have a GOTY contender on their hands.
...uh.. yes... because it is a Kotaku article...
https://www.kotaku.co.uk/2016/09/23/inside-the-troubled-development-of-star-citizen
Edit: In case theres confusion, I havent been talking about the OP article at all. I've been referring to this past one, which is a very good read as i've mentioned.
Chris Robert's aggresive ship selling for real money ensured that I'll never play it. The game isn't a scam as a real product is being worked on (just very poorly), but it is exploitive as hell.
Relevant quote for corporate defenders on why there's usually so few people speaking with their names attached to it.
Well your edit is definitely better then. Because the OP's article is really not like this one.
The Kotaku UK article is definitely turned in a way though, but at least it's not like what The Escapist or Forbes here wrote.
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Of course, in a totalitarian zero-union industry where you can be fired or practically emotionally tortured for daring to say negative things about a million dollar company; people wont have the confidence to speak up.
Is Anonymous, who knows? like The Escapist article years ago with the same patron of workers claiming a lot of shit in the development....until the article was deleted, maybe if this Forbes thing goes viral CiG enter again to the game and clean all this non-sense of hate about the development of the game.
The article is pure and simple shit, mixing things like the "private life" of CR and Sandi with the ambiguous words of anonymous workers in early state of the game, what kind of genius say "It is very rare to be doing game development for seven years—that’s not how it works. That’s not normal at all” when we have games like GTA5, RDR2, Cyberpunk 2077 with a long time of development?
The article is a joke, thats the reason to talk about scam, because at this moment this game have less possibilities of being a scam than ever, but people like the writer of Forbes create that movie called SCAM CITIZEN or "the saga of star citizen.....bla bla bla" only for the bait, because they are free to throw shit about one game in this industry, who cares.
Bruh, its either had a troubled development, or it hasnt; there isnt a bias inbetween. And the fact of the matter is, it has been very troubled.
I'll actually post the final section of the article from 2016.
"But sooner or later, Roberts and his team have to deliver a game, or all of this will be just a prelude to the most expensive failed development of all time."
Now, with all their money, I have no doubts they will continue along for a long time. But how long is this going to go on for before its actually delivered, is the question.
I have yet to see anyone in this thread make a genuine effort of debunking some of the claims made in the article, though. Saying that it’s full of “fake reviews” is not a compelling argument or evidence of anything.
The discussion on this topic has run its course. If a new article with more information is made on the continued development of Star Citizen and its current status, feel free to make a thread.
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