Former Facebook exec says social media is ripping apart society

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Former Facebook exec says social media is ripping apart society
Another former Facebook executive has spoken out about the harm the social network is doing to civil society around the world. Chamath Palihapitiya, who joined Facebook in 2007 and became its vice president for user growth, said he feels “tremendous guilt” about the company he helped make. “I think we have created tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works,” he told an audience at Stanford Graduate School of Business, before recommending people take a “hard break” from social media.
Palihapitiya’s criticisms were aimed not only at Facebook, but the wider online ecosystem. “The short-term, dopamine-driven feedback loops we’ve created are destroying how society works,” he said, referring to online interactions driven by “hearts, likes, thumbs-up.” “No civil discourse, no cooperation; misinformation, mistruth.
In his talk, Palihapitiya criticized not only Facebook, but Silicon Valley’s entire system of venture capital funding. He said that investors pump money into “shitty, useless, idiotic companies,” rather than addressing real problems like climate change and disease.

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badboy78660

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Oct 27, 2017
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Truth. The irony hurts. You'd figure platforms such as these would unite us and bring us together as opposed to, you know, just fucking things up even more.
 

SABO.

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The misinformation and mistruth is the worst part.

Not a great sight to come across fake news from an obviously fake source that even has a (hidden) disclaimer on their site racking up 100k likes, 10k comments of people agreeing, arguing and debating..
 

AuthenticM

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2017 is the year that is making me seriously consider closing down my facebook account. It's so fucking toxic.
 

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Maybe if the sense of responsibility came while creating/running the platforms instead of after no longer being associated with them he and his colleagues could have done more
 

sox

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100% agree. I weeened myself off it a year or two back and am feeling much better for it. Deleting the app helped the most.

Would you guys consider RestEra social media?
 

Orioto

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I would say it's not something destroying society. It's its natural evolution... It worked and became global in first place cause it answers a need. It can be good or wrong, but that's what people tend to, if given the choice and the tech. That's a natural evolution of how we, as a species, interact with each other. It was meant to exist.
 

TAJ

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He should put some of his Facebook money towards funding DDoS attacks.
 

Wackamole

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We would have to be pretty dumb to let that happen.
And we are.

So yeah.. he's right.


Delete...your...facebook
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Why? Aside from it being oh so hip? Just block the people you dislike, and only read what you do like. Or find better friends. Don't blame Facebook for our own shortcomings. We don't have to check 40 times a day.
 

UltimateHigh

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100% agree. I weeened myself off it a year or two back and am feeling much better for it. Deleting the app helped the most.

Would you guys consider RestEra social media?
Sure, but without the unfettered toxicity, fakery and just all-around immense scope of bullshit that comes with Facebook/Twitter. Forums are more of a dying breed.
 

excelsiorlef

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Ultimately it's an issue of the internet in general... the total democratization of information largely means that truth and falsehoods have an equal platform... peer review has the same value as a wordpress blog, the same reach, the same power. Fact and fiction are essentially the same...
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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The bubbles that exist in social media would exist without it, just maybe not online. I think social media is more of an effect of these bubbles, not necessarily the cause of them. It just makes seeing all the shitty people that much easier, but they don't go away if Facebook does.

That being said, misinformation and mistruth is obviously the worst aspect of it. It's less that the idea of social media is bad and more that the companies behind these networks aren't doing enough to combat false stories.
 

Brera

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I don't think Social Media is the issue.

The Internet is just too easy to use now. Means there are a lot of idiots out there that are no longer hidden in their little hovels but can now do damage to the world through the spread of their idiocy.

E.g. The Alt Right and the rise of the neck beards.
 

TAJ

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Ultimately it's an issue of the internet in general... the total democratization of information largely means that truth and falsehoods have an equal platform... peer review has the same value as a wordpress blog, the same reach, the same power.
And yet it wasn't much of a problem until Facebook and targeted content took hold.
 

DigitalOp

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I naturally became a hermit about 4-5 years ago. I used it alot to promote music I was working with at the time. I didnt feel like keeping up with it. I guess I wasnt super social, I had all the numbers of the people I talked to.

I didnt miss it. Nothing changed in my life essentially, Never felt like I was out the loop. But seeing how the world has changed around me and how pervasive social media became made me a little concerned. People often lack the respect to acknowledge a conversation the way some are wrapped into their phones.

We've all seen that person who almost ran into someone because their phone wasnt made of glass.

However, while I didnt use common social media, I was a heavy user back at the Old Site, and I totally count that as a form of social media. Forums and certain websites should count.

The message board format is doing fine, it's just moved to Reddit.
Exactly, Reddit is a perfect example of a forum site that is social media. The new "live" age (Snap,FBLive,IGLive) is what fucks me up the most. Its apparently replaced calling from what it seems
 

Dekim

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Yup. The shit that went down with August Ames is a prime example for how toxic it can be.
 

Ravensmash

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Stuff like 'likes' are the main issue.

People are obsessed by them. Imagine how much better it'd be without the constant feedback loop of more likes = instant attention.

Granted, you'd still get the shitty comments but important moments in people's lives would go beyond a simple tap (and the fleeting satisfaction that comes with that for the poster).
 

maximumzero

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I deactivated my Facebook about two months ago and I honestly can't say I miss it.

I use Twitter from time to time for nonsensical ramblings but since there's nobody reading my tweets it's only a matter of time before I bail on that service as well.

I'm starting to think life will be preferable without the whole world needing to know my thoughts on things...and without me needing to know what's going on in the world 24/7.

The next step after that might be going back to using a flip phone.
 

Doof

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Ultimately it's an issue of the internet in general... the total democratization of information largely means that truth and falsehoods have an equal platform... peer review has the same value as a wordpress blog, the same reach, the same power. Fact and fiction are essentially the same...
So what you're saying is that Kojima was right?

OT: Had a Facebook for about 3 months in 2008, deleted it shortly after. Feel pretty good about it.
 

Kyougar

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It displays the pit of human behavior unfiltered. before social media, you could listen to Pub-Arguments and get the same shit, now those people can spout their unfiltered opinions to millions of people.

If someone thought "s/he is an asshole" it would be his/her own thoughts or to a few people. Now you can write "s/he is an asshole" directly to the person and million other people see it and can agree or disagree on it.
 

excelsiorlef

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And yet it wasn't much of a problem until Facebook and targeted content took hold.
Sure but Youtube came along at the same time as well... and smart phones that kept us connected to the internet at all times... I'd argue social media came along at the identical time as the internet became truly and fully ubiquitous.

Social Media is a problem... but it's part of a greater issue.
 

RoKKeR

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He's not wrong. It segments society into self-validating silos that are incredibly dangerous, IMO.