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Former GameXplain members talk about troubles with the company (heavy crunch, low pay) [New: Statements from Steve and Derrick]

Debunking "low overall pay" speculation New
  • Lozjam

    One Winged Slayer
    Avenger
    Nov 1, 2017
    1,535
    I mean, I guess I can't say for sure, but considering their subscriber counts and view numbers that's almost impossible.
    Bullshit.

    And brainchild, this may be even harder to hear for you.

    So I actually went ahead and did a bit of math here. So I decided to count the amount of views they have in a single month. I went for April, because that was the whole FF7 debacle, the team was still all there, and it was before they started to have the new crew on.

    So I counted the viewcounts of april. For the record, I started on Last of 2 Delayed, and I ended on TONS of New Xenoblade Screenshots. Just so people can check my math. I merely counted all of the views from the videos, and man is it staggering. There were a total of 9,252K views. Now this gives us a great baseline, considering that youtube/advertisers grant a certain amount per thousand views.
    Now the actual numbers can change and vary, depending on ads and stuff. But the common wisdom, is that a youtube video will make around $3-$5 per thousand views.

    Even on the low end, it doesn't look great for Andre. If every video made $3 per thousand views, that means GameXplain racked up a total of $27,756 within the month of April. Alone. At the high end, it means GameXplain racked up a total of $45,260 in the month of April. And yes, advertisers change, so the answer is likely somewhere in the middle, and it stacks up with what Steve's Wife was saying. And this is even before their extra sources of revenue. They have a patreon, are brand ambassadors for Amazon(they get a cut from amazon links in the description), and they also sell some merch. Not to mention donations from streams, and ect. Looking at this.... It is absolutely disgusting that Steve wasn't paid. With this amount of monthly revenue, even on the low end, they would be able to pay each person at GX(at the time) at least 80K a year, with a lot left over. Hell even 40k would be pretty substantial for the "part timers" like Steve and Ash.


    This is absolutely disgusting.
     
    Debunking "low overall pay" speculation PT2 New
  • YolkFolk

    Member
    Oct 27, 2017
    3,052
    The North, England
     
    Steve's Account New
  • Steve

    Good Vibes Gaming
    Verified
    Oct 24, 2017
    63
    Parts Unknown
    Alright, y'all. I've been trying to keep my distance from this, but I see a lot of questions that I feel deserve some context, and I don't want to remain silent when I feel the community deserves answers.

    Everything I'm going to say is rooted in fact. I won't be offering my opinions of GX, or of Andre, just things I know to be true, because they happened to me.

    I joined GameXplain in December 2018. Andre started paying me for my work in September 2019. We discussed a fee of $550. I had no idea if my videos were even worth the amount I had asked for, and I didn't know what anybody else at the channel was paid at the time.

    That $550 was a flat fee per-month, not per-video and without any additional performance-based incentives. That means if I did a couple of news updates or discussions, I got that $550.

    Conversely, it also means if I was reviewing TLOU2 while playing through Paper Mario TTYD and participating in Game Club, I still got just $550.

    Every month I also maintained GX's email server and worked with publishers and developers to secure review copies for the entire team.

    If I brought in a sponsorship deal, meaning I negotiated the deal, wrote, recorded, edited and posted the video, I would receive 33% of the proceeds, with the remaining 67% going to the channel, but those were few and far between.

    I didn't consider what my hourly rate was until my wife showed me the math; she was right.

    After Derrick left, Andre offered me a full-time position for $50k annually, with 25% of sponsorships I brought in being offered. This was far lower than Andre was aware I was making at my full-time job at the time, and I couldn't accept it while supporting my family. I had concerns after seeing an employment contract offered to somebody else; there were clauses contained therein that would have brought a negative impact to my career.

    We’re not asking people to unfollow GX and we definitely don’t want to undermine the work the new staff there has done and continues to do. They deserve the same consideration and love that you’ve all shown us over the years and all of us are unanimously agreed that we don’t want this to undermine or reflect negatively on their efforts.

    Regardless of your own opinion of Andre or GX, I'd like to ask that nobody engage in harassment of any kind. That isn't what GVG is about, and we don't condone that type of behavior, period.


    I hope this sheds some light on my experience with GX. I appreciate all the messages of support I've received over the past 24 hours. I hope I've answered your questions!


    And that's all I have to say about that. I love you all.
     
    Derrick's Statement New
  • MaverickHunterAsh

    Good Vibes Gaming
    Verified
    Oct 24, 2017
    729
    Los Angeles, CA.
    Hi everyone! Derrick has prepared a statement regarding this situation, but he doesn't have an Era account so I'm posting it on his behalf. I am also preparing my own statement which I will post later, but for now all I'll say is that I fully back everything Steve and now Derrick have said about the situation. It's all true.

    That said, I would like to echo Derrick and Steve's reminders that it has never been our intention to have Good Vibes Gaming compete with or undermine GX. The new crew of Joey, Tris, and Chris (as well as my good friend Tom, who remains at GX) deserve the same love and consideration you all have graciously shown us over the years and we are NOT asking you to unsubscribe from GX or pull support from their Patreon. We'd also like to remind you that while we understand your desire for Andre to make a statement, we strongly ask that you don't harass him; we appreciate your sympathy and support, but we categorically do not want this to turn into a witch hunt.

    And now, Derrick's statement:

    Obviously, I’ve never posted to ResetEra before this, but I wanted to get some things out there that I’ve bottled up for some time now. I also want to provide some more context if possible, but these are just some of my experiences. First, none of us knew how much each other was making. All I knew was that I was making the most of all the employees as I had been there the longest. Each year, I would get a raise until I topped out at $5k/month in 2018. Despite asking for my yearly raise, Andre said that the channel couldn’t afford it as by that point Jon had been brought on. I didn’t mind though as having Jon on the team was a lifesaver. He was able to do updates and keep an eye on the channel, lightening my daily work load significantly. I felt expected to be on call at all times and would be nervous to even leave my home most days, fearing that some random Nintendo news would come out. This didn’t really go away until Jon joined and Aimee pushed me to take time for myself. Rarely did Andre handle an update and when it was just him, he would wait until either Jon or myself was free again to actually handle it. Before then, it always had to be done ASAP. As for GameXplain’s income, I was able to see the analytics for quite some time and the estimation is mostly on point though there were some months where it would dip below that estimation. But the high end always felt massive and I hoped that the rest of the team, especially Jon, was being compensated with that extra income. That said, I had to handle any work expenses myself for the most part, including consoles and equipment. The only part of my current setup provided by Andre is my mic. I paid for my flights to LA for E3 or trains to NY for Nintendo events while Andre would handle the cost of hotels if needed and meals if we were together. I never said anything as the expenses could be used as write-offs for my taxes and helped at the end of the year.

    However, this year felt different as the team started talking more. I discovered that Jon was making less than half of what I did despite doing the same amount of work, Steve’s income has already been brought up, and Ash had stepped back from the channel for only occasional work. He would send invoices that Andre would eventually get to, but Andre always had to be reminded to send our paychecks out. We tried to get a calendar started so he could be more consistent but he resisted the idea. One other thing to know is that despite a Discord where we all chatted and coordinated, Andre would often DM each of us to ask specific things. Ostensibly it was so we could see them better, but often it felt like a way to strongarm for videos he wanted. There were many times when he wanted an update on something that I didn’t feel was worth the time as I was working on other things, but he would push until I relented. Sometimes he gave up, but that was rare. It got to a point where I would ignore or put off looking at his DMs if I was busy with something else or be more combative over the updates he wanted to put out. Andre was extremely controlling, seemingly timing things to directly disrupt plans. He gave Jon tons of work when his YouTube channel took off, making it difficult for him to make videos there. He also asked me to stop streaming to YouTube as he didn’t like old game playthroughs mixed in with our current events style. As a side note, any money I earned from Superchat had to be totaled by me and invoiced at the end of the year as a “bonus.” So leaving to Twitch served as a chance to earn money more immediately, especially with a baby on the way and Aimee still unable to work on her own projects due to the effects of COVID. I prepared people for the move for a while as I completed the final playthrough, but on the day of the final stream, Andre contacted me and asked that I stream to GameXplain’s Twitch instead.

    His reason was that he wouldn’t be able to make me properly full-time if I streamed to my own Twitch, something he had been building toward through most of the year. If I streamed to my own Twitch, I would be considered a freelancer and immediately have my pay removed with rates estimated at $15-$20 per update and $100-$150 per feature or review. He said I could have full control of the GameXplain Twitch though so I felt strong-armed into taking the deal. I still got the money from subs and bits monthly but I had to go through him. It also felt like he dragged his feet to confirm Affiliate status because he thought me streaming would somehow turn people away from the new Game Club tier on the Patreon. Around September, he asked me to join a voice call where he wanted to discuss me at GameXplain going forward. I popped in at the appointed time and he asked to be on camera. It turns out he had prepared a PowerPoint where he ran down several things. How COVID had affected ad rates and lowered income, how he was still paying me the same despite this, how I was fighting him when updates had to be done, and ultimately, how I was bringing in less money for the channel then what I was being paid. It ended with a question of whether I was still loyal and still wanted an official full-time position. Again, with a baby on the way, I was scared to the point of meekness because I felt I couldn’t put Aimee and the baby in that position.

    When Andre finally presented me with the full-time contract, I was in the middle of a nightmare moving situation where I could barely focus on anything. He pushed the fact that I had to make a decision as soon as possible due to timing, but I could not change my income situation without messing up my loan application. Ultimately, he gave me the time I needed and talked to the loan officers as my boss to help me get my loan. But in the intervening time, I was able to take a closer look at the contract. There were no defined set hours, no increase in pay, no overtime, no health coverage (not enough full-time employees), and overtime would only translate to extra time off, not extra pay. In addition, he wanted to approve where I appeared and when I streamed, taking away the one bit of control I had with the Twitch. It felt like I had no say in my life, everything had to go through him if I wanted to earn money beyond GameXplain. But worst of all was an NDA included with the contract. Tucked in the many points listed was a non-compete clause. Basically if I signed the contract and left or was fired from GameXplain for any reason, I would not be able to work in the same space for a year. I took this to mean no YouTube, no games media, nothing. I talked to a lot of people around this time, trying to figure out what to do. After speaking with all of them, including Aimee, Ash, Steve, and Jon, I ultimately decided to leave with Ash and Steve coming with me so we could pursue Ash’s idea of Good Vibes Gaming. It felt better to leave and attempt my own thing rather than deal with that contract and the general stress and pressure of GameXplain. Money is tight, but I am so much happier now.

    I can only gratefully thank all of you who have supported Good Vibes Gaming so far whether as part of our Patreon, watching my streams, or subscribing to the channel. It means the world to me that I can happily pursue my ideas and I look forward to sharing them with our fans. Ultimately though, no matter what, I request that you don’t harass any of the new hires, Tom, or Andre. I merely want to provide more context and shed light on the position I was coming from. Thank you all for your support and take care.
     
    Brandon's Statement New
  • Steve

    Good Vibes Gaming
    Verified
    Oct 24, 2017
    63
    Parts Unknown
    Hey everyone, Brandon Miracle asked that I post his story, as his Era account is awaiting approval from the mods.

    For those of you that don't know, I met Brandon at E3 2019 at a GX fan meetup. Since then I've become friends with him and partnered with him on some projects for both GX and GVG.

    Anyway, this isn't my statement to make, so without further ado, here's Brandon:

    Brandon's Statement said:
    I worked freelance for GameXplain for the majority of 2020. It started with the 10th Anniversary of GameXplain video. I was elated to be asked to work with my favorite YouTube channel of all time. Unfortunately my experience wasn’t what I hoped for.

    I put maybe 15-20 hours into that video and (me being new to freelance) we settled on $150. I was so excited by the opportunity that I let the low ball slide. This set an unfortunate precedent.

    Later on in the year I was offered the opportunity to edit every episode of Game Club. This was some of the most stressful work I had to do for GameXplain and I asked for a pittance of $65 per video. I value myself higher than this now but I believe Andre could have stepped in and told me I was low balling myself. But he didn’t. With future projects I started sending invoices with what I believe I was owed to no contest from Andre.

    Now most of you probably don’t know I was even involved with GameXplain for as long as I was. That’s because Andre made little to no effort to give me credit of any kind. The most blatant instance was when he asked me to edit the Super Mario 3D All Stars review.

    I worked the entirety of the night up until 45 minutes before the embargo to get that video done. Andre’s Twitter made it sound like he worked through the night when it was me. He didn’t finish writing his review until that evening putting me into a corner and allowing him to coast through that night while I worked. I was furious. At this point I decided I was going to walk away. I was making no strides in my career because nobody knew I was doing the work. Steve thankfully would edit Andre’s descriptions and add credits for me or tag me on Twitter himself.

    After completing what was supposed to be my last video, Andre asked me if I would work on another video. I told him I likely wouldn’t have the time to do it and his response upset me. He made it sound like it wasn’t a ton of work. If it wasn’t, why didn’t he do it? What did he do all day? I still don’t know. I accepted the work, disgruntled, and that was the end of my time at GameXplain. I wanted to be done with it.

    During this entire experience I was one of the candidates to be hired for GameXplain. Andre knowingly used this to pressure me into more work for little money. I found out I didn’t get the job before deciding to leave because Steve was kind enough to let me know. I didn’t hear this from Andre himself until mere days before the new hires were announced. And I know for a fact it was decided I wouldn’t be hired quite some time prior. I’ve never felt more used and taken advantage of in my life. It hurt me on a deep level and I still struggle with it.

    That said, I have immense respect for Tom, Tris, Chris, and Joey and wish them all the success in the world! Please don’t harass or direct hate at Andre, or anyone else at GameXplain. Thank you.

    For now, I’ve been helping out with Good Vibes Gaming and I’ve had an incredible time. I feel like I belong and that I’m treated with the respect I deserve. I love these guys and am so happy that they’re doing GVG.