Former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson says she believes Allison Mack regrets her role in sex cult

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  • Former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson believes Allison Mack received a fair sentence for her role in the cult.
  • She said she believed Mack was not as responsible for abuse as Keith Raniere, and was herself a victim.
  • Edmondson told Insider while Mack should be held accountable, she no longer feels angry with the actress.
A survivor of the NXIVM cult told Insider that top official Allison Mack received an appropriate sentence for her role in the group after expressing regret for her actions.

Mack, a former actress most widely known for her role in "Smallville," was sentenced Wednesday to three years in prison for recruiting women to join the Albany, New York-based cult to act as sex slaves for its leader, Keith Raniere.

Former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson said that unlike Raniere, who was sentenced to 120 years in prison for his role in the cult, Mack has apologized for her actions. Mack wrote a letter to NXIVM survivors days before her sentencing in which she called her role in the cult her "greatest regret."

"It is now of paramount importance for me to say, from the bottom of my heart, I am so sorry," Mack, 38, wrote.
Edmondson told Insider that Mack needed to be held accountable for her role in NXIVM, but she also believes Mack was a victim. Neither Raniere or top-ranking NXIVM member Clare Bronfman showed any remorse for their actions, Edmondson noted.

"The fact is that Alison appears to have woken up. It appears that she's out of that mindset, which is very different than Keith and Claire who were not remorseful and take no responsibility," Edmondson told Insider. "I think the judge really acknowledged that, and I actually think that his sentence is fair."

Thoughts?
 

ryan13ts

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Aw, I'm sure she feels really, reeeeeeaaally bad about it, and promises to never engage in cults and sex slaves again. I mean, she really means it guys.
 

Kinthey

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Edmondson told Insider that Mack needed to be held accountable for her role in NXIVM, but she also believes Mack was a victim. Neither Raniere or top-ranking NXIVM member Clare Bronfman showed any remorse for their actions, Edmondson noted.
That's always one of the complicated parts when it comes to these things. Impossible to judge as an outsider of this case though.
 

Arcade55

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I'm hesitant to judge anyone without knowing the details. It seems many people involved in the cult believe she was a victim of much abuse at the hands of Raniere as well. It doesn't remove the blame for the things she did, but I don't think leniency is crazy with that in mind if true.
 
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Sarah Edmusson should have been on trial with Alison Mack! She and that Mark guy, IMO, are every bit as guilty bringing recruits while ignoring constant complaints placed upon Keith.
 

hydruxo

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A lot of criminals regret what they've done after they get caught and sentenced. Doesn't change shit. She was deep into it and kept going, so there was clearly no remorse while she was carrying out all the shit Raniere wanted her to do. She's lucky she didn't get more time.
 

devilhawk

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Sarah Edmusson should have been on trial with Alison Mack! She and that Mark guy, IMO, are every bit as guilty bringing recruits while ignoring constant complaints placed upon Keith.
After watching a documentary (I think it was the HBO one) where she was heavily and very favorably featured, I got a bit of an impression that some of what Sarah was doing was to cover her own ass. You can tell she glossed over a ton of her own actions in the documentary.

Likely not to the same as Mack, but Edmusson, while a certainly a victim, was also an abuser.
 

mrmoose

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Aw, I'm sure she feels really, reeeeeeaaally bad about it, and promises to never engage in cults and sex slaves again. I mean, she really means it guys.
I kind of doubt she will engage again, if only because of the scrutiny she'd be under. However, just because you feel guilt over a crime doesn't mean that you shouldn't pay for that crime, and besides, isn't that what parole is for as far as rehabilitation/good behavior?
 
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When attractive consenting white people treat each other like shit in a private club for rich white people, it’s a cult?

As someone raised in an actual cult that abused minors, destroyed the fabric of my family and generations of finances, I gotta say “nah”.

These are over privileged assholes desperately trying to reframe their shitty adult decisions. They wanted to pay a steep social price to be part of an exclusive club, and that’s exactly what they did. Until it sucked.

LOL cult. Like Kali brainwashed you. Get fucked.
 

Slader166

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When attractive consenting white people treat each other like shit in a private club for rich white people, it’s a cult?

As someone raised in an actual cult that abused minors, destroyed the fabric of my family and generations of finances, I gotta say “nah”.

These are over privileged assholes desperately trying to reframe their shitty adult decisions. They wanted to pay a steep social price to be part of an exclusive club, and that’s exactly what they did. Until it sucked.

LOL cult. Like Kali brainwashed you. Get fucked.
It was absolutely a cult.

"Starting with reports by investigative journalist Frank Parlato in June 2017 and bolstered by an October 2017 article in The New York Times, details began to emerge about Dominus Obsequious Sororium, a "secret sisterhood" that started in 2015 within NXIVM, in which female members were allegedly called slaves, branded with the initials of Raniere and Mack, subjected to corporal punishment from their "masters", and required to provide nude photos or other potentially damaging information about themselves as "collateral". Law enforcement representatives have alleged that DOS members were forced into sexual slavery.

Sarah Edmondson, a Canadian actress who had been an ESP participant since 2005, said that she left NXIVM after Mack inducted her into DOS the previous March at her Albany home. Edmondson alleged that participants were blindfolded naked, held down by Mack and three other women, and branded by NXIVM-affiliated doctor Danielle Roberts, using a cauterizing pen. Appearing on an A&E television program about cults, Edmondson provided additional context for the use of the "collateral" concept, saying that it was used in innocuous forms from the earliest, outermost stages of NXIVM in order to acclimate victims—for example, collateralizing small amounts of money that one might forfeit if one did not go to the gym one day. The Times later reported that hundreds of members left NXIVM after Edmondson went public about her experience."

Maybe read up on things before you go and pretend like multiple women weren't tortured both mentally and physically.
 

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To be honest, I don’t like assigning massive blame on victims of the cult (Sarah, Mark, etc.), though yeah, some of those victims do deserve punishment. Namely Allison, Nancy’s daughter, etc. They should have a pathway to fixing their minds though.

To me, the people that need the biggest punishment are the Boffmans, Nancy, and Keith.
 
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Sarah had Sex slaves, she wasn’t as innocent as the documentaries portrayed her as. Mark filmed Keith for years, you can’t tell me that he didn’t see any sketchy behavior when there’s footage of Keith manipulating people. Mark only left because his wife threatened him with divorce.
 

porcupixel

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The complicated and unfortunate thing about cult psychology is it is absolutely possible for someone to be both brainwashed and a perpetrator.
 

ryan13ts

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You can tell real quick here who actually read the quotes in the OP and who just knee jerked to the title.
Some of the takes here show no empathy. Gross.
Oh you can save that mess. This women engaged in helping that dude maintain a cult, basically acted as a pimp to other women being treated as sex slaves, and even had her initials BRANDED into other women, all of her own free will. There might have been a point where I felt sorry for her since I don't doubt Reniere manipulated her, but once she crossed the line into doing some of the heinous stuff she did, that's the point where you cross from being a victim and start becoming the harmer yourself.

So forgive those of us don't feel much empathy for her.
 

Dakkon

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Oh you can save that mess. This women engaged in helping that dude maintain a cult, basically acted as a pimp to other women being treated as sex slaves, and even had her initials BRANDED into other women, all of her own free will. There might have been a point where I felt sorry for her since I don't doubt Reniere manipulated her, but once she crossed the line into doing some of the heinous stuff she did, that's the point where you cross from being a victim and start becoming the harmer yourself.

So forgive those of us don't feel much empathy for her.
That's literally how cults work though. Basically everyone who wasn't one of the Originators and is at the top becomes both victim and abuser because the leaders use the abuse they put on the victim to break them and fuel more.
 

Mammoth Jones

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Oh you can save that mess. This women engaged in helping that dude maintain a cult, basically acted as a pimp to other women being treated as sex slaves, and even had her initials BRANDED into other women, all of her own free will. There might have been a point where I felt sorry for her since I don't doubt Reniere manipulated her, but once she crossed the line into doing some of the heinous stuff she did, that's the point where you cross from being a victim and start becoming the harmer yourself.

So forgive those of us don't feel much empathy for her.
Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the sex slavers?!
 

Tahnit

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getting sucked into a cult is a completely shitty situation. On the one hand holy shit she should have known better. She is definitely responsible for what she did.

On the other hand it also sounds like she may have been completely brainwashed by this guy. Cults are a weird thing. Terrible in all ways yet they seem to suck people in who are vulnerable to manipulation.

However she wasnt just a normal member having sex with the guy she was ACTIVELY recruiting others for him. That should have sent off some huge red flags in her head. The fact that it didnt is completely baffling to me.

I am not excusing her actions let me be clear. She did those terrible things and should suffer some consequences. But she was also manipulated by this guy. If shes actively seeking therapy and trying to turn her life around then thats good and shows that what she did was wrong and that she needs to be better.

The whole point of incarceration is SUPPOSED to be rehabilitation to be allowed back into society. If shes actively doing this and is trying to unfuck her head then thats good.
 
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Fury451

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Oh you can save that mess. This women engaged in helping that dude maintain a cult, basically acted as a pimp to other women being treated as sex slaves, and even had her initials BRANDED into other women, all of her own free will. There might have been a point where I felt sorry for her since I don't doubt Reniere manipulated her, but once she crossed the line into doing some of the heinous stuff she did, that's the point where you cross from being a victim and start becoming the harmer yourself.

So forgive those of us don't feel much empathy for her.
Not about empathy at all. I’m talking about how the quotes are portrayed differently by the title than what she’s actually saying. Doesn’t sound like she’s excusing her at all, and she deserves no excuses, she’s just saying that she’s come out of some of the mind control.
 

Foffy

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She can feel remorse, and I think some posts here are really underplaying the power cults have on people. This is not to excuse her behavior, as she is being punished for it, though one can argue it should be harsher given the offenses. I don't think this is a "sorry for getting caught" kind of mindset as some might be thinking it is.
 

TheSix

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Oh you can save that mess. This women engaged in helping that dude maintain a cult, basically acted as a pimp to other women being treated as sex slaves, and even had her initials BRANDED into other women, all of her own free will. There might have been a point where I felt sorry for her since I don't doubt Reniere manipulated her, but once she crossed the line into doing some of the heinous stuff she did, that's the point where you cross from being a victim and start becoming the harmer yourself.

So forgive those of us don't feel much empathy for her.
I am not going to acknowledge you beyond this post: she may have been a part of this but just like the women she recruited, she fell for his lies.

I doubt you've ever been gaslit or ever been in a situation where you have no control around what's happening.

I believe she's remorseful about the things she did. She did those things, she cooperated with the government and told them everything she knew.

Now she's in jail for her mistakes and with the right help, I would like to see her turn her life around. Let's see what she does with her situation.

Throwing the book at her and shunning her for the rest of her life is the wrong thing to do.
 

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  • Former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson believes Allison Mack received a fair sentence for her role in the cult.
  • She said she believed Mack was not as responsible for abuse as Keith Raniere, and was herself a victim.
  • Edmondson told Insider while Mack should be held accountable, she no longer feels angry with the actress.
Seems ... fine?

This woman was a direct victim of this cult and helped bring this to light, she has all the right to not be angry anymore/ feel that Mack was also a victim/ feel the sentence was fair and feel Mack has shown regret.

Personally, I feel you can never forgive someone for something they didn't do to you. So the people who were victims of this are the only ones who are in a position to say this.

If this is her truth, then so be it. I see nothing wrong with it.
 

Kadey

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She was madly in love with the guy. To the point where she did everything he asked. She knew right from wrong and if anybody within that circle had the chance to stop him it was her but someone else, some other people with more courage and humility had to. So basically fuck her and she deserves far worse. The number of degrees and whatever the hell she is doing isn't going to make up for anything. And screw her even more because now I can't ever go back and watch a favorite show of mine while growing up because of her being in it.