I wonder how many people that are calling out Jim for jumping to conclusions actually saw the video that they're criticizing him for. Truly ironic.
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Fornite skin based off an artist's design (UPDATE: It was actually a fake stunt by the artist)
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You mean the hate some have for anyone who allegedly does something wrong.
No, because saying "That's a bad thing Epic did" didn't make me look like an ass at all (I never actually said that in this thread, but I would not feel bad if I did). Having incorrect information to work with will happen sometimes. If you are open to new information that comes along then you're fine.
If we get even more new information about the design being stolen from a different artist we don't know about yet, will the early "Epic did a shitty thing" comments look good? Not really - they will still be replies that were dealing with the information that they had at the time. Will the replies that currently say "Ooooh I guess Epic actually didn't do anything wrong" suddenly be asshole replies? No - they will also be replies that were working with the information they had at the time.
The only asshole comments are those that try to paint Era as a vitriolic hive mind mob, when in fact it is a gathering of individuals who are individually responding to the available information as most people would. (I am not excusing the comments that genuinely were overly vitriolic or were hunting the Epic artist personally, those are never okay even if they had been working with correct information)
What was the timing on all this? Was it an incredibly effective April Fool's joke or just a normal hoax?
It is crazy that this even needs to be said. Lay down the pitchforks, people.
In his video he was spreading hate and negativity instantly, without even waiting for Epic's response? Very similar tone to most of his videos, if you've watched some over the past few years. Very witchhunty in my opinion :)
He stressed that it was an allegation and that nothing was confirmed. He even mentioned the DeviantArt stuff. How is that toxic?
Did you even watch the video? How is this different from accusing people of wanting their bias against Epic confirmed?
Jim fucking Sterling Son jumped on the hate bandwagon as well? I didn't think this thread could deliver anymore than it already has, lol
It was just one person.. And they acted a prick to others in the thread too.
No one has go paint era as anything. They do it all themselves. Saying epic did a shitty thing when you don't know if they did a shitty thing is stupid and does make said person look like an ass. If you don't have the information then how do you come to that conclusion? You assumed based on what you want to be factual. People want epic to be painted in a bad light cause they disagree with some things they do, so they jump to epic is shit. That does in fact make said person an ass
Good apology, kudos. It's nice to see people can take the time to self reflect.
When you start to feel like that on ERA, you should search for particular communities in Hangouts that could interest you. Like OT about game series, specific genres or developers you like. These threads are where the chill people... well, hang out, even when some madness engulfs the regular gaming side.
You can read his explanation on Twitter if you're interested.
This thread has been insane to read and just serves as a reminder why I find it frustrating how people are eager to jump the gun these days (maybe it's always been a problem and I never noticed, though), or just sprew inflammatory things to the point where it's less a talk/discussion as much as an echo chamber full of quips and negative remarks. It's become more prevalent on ERA as well and it's just... tiresome. I've also checked the thread and I can only find a single warning, which was handed out because it was "low effort drive-by" that antagonized other members... for posting a "take the l" gif directed towards the early thread pages. Out of all the hostility in this thread, that's it? THAT'S what gets the attention? I don't even get why that post in particular got it as there were plenty of others in the same vein, just without a gif.
There's been a lot of good things said in this thread, such as Jobbs which I'm quoting below because it bears repeating. I'm bloody glad the name of the accused artist didn't get out as it could've damaged their reputation. I sincerely hope this thread changes /something/ here. I realize it's been less than 24 hours, but considering there's been one warning and a thread title edit I feel disappointed by the moderation team as well. This thread is a good example that it's not a healthy climate.
Again, this is good:
There's been a lot of good things said in this thread, such as Jobbs which I'm quoting below because it bears repeating. I'm bloody glad the name of the accused artist didn't get out as it could've damaged their reputation. I sincerely hope this thread changes /something/ here. I realize it's been less than 24 hours, but considering there's been one warning and a thread title edit I feel disappointed by the moderation team as well. This thread is a good example that it's not a healthy climate.
Again, this is good:
You didn't respond to anything I wrote.
There are some things you currently believe and one day you will gain new information that changes your thoughts on them. That doesn't mean you're currently an asshole or an idiot.
Ubisoft and Bethesda are not paying third party exclusives to prevent other launchers from having them, that's the main difference.
Bingo.
If he doesn't post a video retraction/apology I'm writing him off for good. Don't post the apology only on twitter after using your video platform to spread hate and suspicion.
"I retract my statement but art theft really riles me up harumph harumph" .. Some of you need to get the fuck over yourselves.
Of course there are. But no one even waited for epics response. People jumped to conclusions 10 minutes after an artist claimed it was stolen. You had one side of information. Listen if you want to jump to conclusions when you have one sided Info, then do what you please. But you still look like an ass if you do it. Maybe you should wait for the other side to come out and address the issue
Oh the video was harmless and that's why he left it up. Got it.
You'll probably never know what it's like to be an artist creating original work for a living and having someone use his major video platform to spread misinformation about you stealing someone else's work-- Misinformation that'll live on in many peoples' minds regardless of what later happens. But I'm betting if you do it won't exactly feel loving
I read it, which is why it doesn't make sense to me. It sounded like he had the foresight of possibly taking down his video if one outcome occurs so why even put it up?
Oh so you didn't see the video but you're making assumptions about its content. Got it.
People need to stop going all in on these sorts of things. Say it's shitty and the artist should be paid if true, but what's the point of putting all your eggs in one basket.
Ubisoft and Bethesda can easily have all their games run on Steamworks just like the rest of the world, but they won't because they are trying to promote their client. They are as bad as Epic.
I can't think of any time someone removed and apologized for a youtube video that didn't have anything inappropriate in it. If it was a level headed and balanced examination of the events of the day there'd be absolutely no reason to remove it and apologize for your fuck up. Don't be dumb.
Yep, shitheads who do shit like this make art theft a whole lot easier too. If you truly hate art theft you should be as riled up as the clown who tried to pull a fast one on you and gave the actual artist a fuck load of stress.
Because he thought that even though he presented all possibilities, which he mostly did, because of the way it was presented ("too churlish in my approach to Epic's side") it wouldn't have been enough to update the headline so he took it down to prevent it from spreading further.
Thanks for the confirmation. This shit honestly writes itself.
This thread is both depressing and hilarious. Some of you are so blinded by your hatred for companies you got played by a 12 year old on deviantart instead of remaining calm and attempting minimal rationality by waiting for information. Not to mention the way some of you treated Razor Mom. Big yikes at some of these posters and some of you need to grow up and stop acting like fucking children.
Nobody would give a damn if Epic was doing the same because even if that sucks, it's understandable, but Epic is going a (big) step further.
Yep
I hardly browse on weekends and only time I be on here unfortunately is when I'm at work and have nothing to do.
This place done turned into Entertainment Tonight or something lol
Maybe actually consider the accusation and who or what is being accused rather than jump to "big company did bad thing".
It was a plagiarism of art claim, meaning an individual professional artist within Epic (who we found out later was temporarily contracted) risked their reputation and livelihood by copying another artist's work.
You were, intentionally or not, asking for Epic to sack one of its employees for something you admit you didn't know all the facts of.
You can't just spread whatever information you can find and shield yourself from criticism by going "Well, I'm just a messenger". I expect better from someone like Jim. At least do the minimal investigative work and verify its credibility by yourself--if you can't do that it's probably better to hold off.
These things have consequences.
That's the problem! Why even try to present all the facts if your only going to keep your video up if the story goes one specific way? Why upload it at all? Why is it okay that he took the video down if the only way that the video would still be up is if the story were true?
Take a look at EA and Ubisoft clients. You can't honestly say they aren't competing with Valve as well. They definitely want a piece of the pie.
Though EA would rather buy small studios to make games for them only to chew them out a few years later, than moneyhat exclusives. Big yikes.
No I wasn't. I didn't post at all, but if I had I would have said Epic needs to review the situation and fire the artist if it was true that they had stolen. They did review the situation and found that the artist did nothing wrong.
I respect someone that can admit an error and set things right. Good on you.
These posters that are going after the MODS is completely uncalled for and makes no sense. I wonder if those two are signed up to Era Clear since they expect so much.
In the video, he said that the main reason he put it up so quickly was because his inbox was overflowing with mails from people asking him to cover it and he didn't want those people to spam the comment section of today's Jimquisition going "why isn't this about the Epic thing!?" It's debatable whether that's a good enough reason but it's the one he gave. And he explained why he took it down in the tweet. He doesn't want to contribute to the story spreading further than it already has. Again, I can see arguments for or against taking it down but I can see where he was coming from.
He made a video on the allegation, which is something that happened, and presented various possibilities (same es Forbes contributor Erik Kain). When it came out that it was a hoax, he acknowledged that he jumped the gun and that's that. The fact that someone accused Epic of stealing art doesn't change with the new information, even though the allegations were false. But he felt that his video wouldn't represent the situation properly even with an updated headline and took it down.
Because an uploaded video is not the same as text and you can't just go back to it and add a few more seconds? This is obviously also a limitation of his platform so he took to Twitter where his followers also interact with him. At the time he put the video, that was the information he had access to and he, again, put out the possibility that it was simply a fake. There was more nuance to his take than the two possibilities you're suggesting here.
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