Seriously though, shouldn't the kid (or their parents) be worried about legal action from Epic? "It's just a prank, bro!" probably won't fly when Epic had a ton of negative press generated by articles from Forbes and the like.
Yeah, it would probably just generate even more bad press for Epic but... you never know I guess.
So what solution are you proposing here? I don't think that refusing to believe an accuser in favor of a corporation until we have 100% proof is a good idea at all. We could automatically lock all new threads for a week in case new information is ever to come in, but that's obviously absurd. We could demand every user posts evidence of their individual journalistic investigation of each topic before posting, but again that's absurd.
Perhaps I just need to see examples of the specific quotes in question, because I don't feel bad at all for saying "shame on you Epic" and then saying "oh, nevermind, that report was wrong." It may be there were some over the topic toxic posts you are referring to that I just didn't see.
So what solution are you proposing here? I don't think that refusing to believe an accuser in favor of a corporation until we have 100% proof is a good idea at all. We could automatically lock all new threads for a week in case new information is ever to come in, but that's obviously absurd. We could demand every user posts evidence of their individual journalistic investigation of each topic before posting, but again that's absurd.
Perhaps I just need to see examples of the specific quotes in question, because I don't feel bad at all for saying "shame on you Epic" and then saying "oh, nevermind, that report was wrong." It may be there were some over the topic toxic posts you are referring to that I just didn't see.
A bunch of fucking clowns here that even in the face of being wrong still can only say "well fuck epic anyways" in so many words.
Seriously though, shouldn't the kid (or their parents) be worried about legal action from Epic? "It's just a prank, bro!" probably won't fly when Epic had a ton of negative press generated by articles from Forbes and the like.
True.The lesson to be learned here is that you really don't need to jump at the first Epic-adjacent person you can come across to shit on the company.
There are other reasons to shit on Epic
It's not internet behavior, it's just basic existing a world where sometimes there's misinformation. If a news outlet reports that a political figure had corrupt dealings, I may comment "woah that guy is corrupt." Then the next day the news outlet says actually they were tricked, then I'll comment "oh I guess he wasn't corrupt. Also I trust that news outlet less now." I don't see the big deal about that. My initial comment is very easily retractable. It doesn't make me a hater, an idiot, or a mob member - as long as I recognize the new information.It's possible to post about something without frothing at the mouth with anger and rage from the get-go. Followed up with some "I know the truth" certainty and often with an added dollop on top that anyone who says "Could it be X?" is either dogpiled or probably reported to the mods once the certainty narrative is set.
But more importantly, when something isn't what you were certain it was, you should apologize to anyone you either railed on with aggression or the mods should go back and look at anyone they might have banned early if their posts were reasonable and not trolling.
The behaviour in this topic often spills over to every other topic of a similar nature. That's the main issue. Say it's just "internet behaviour" if you'd like, but it's certainly been a reputation this community has had at times since NeoGAF.
Gotta get that hot take in. Plus no likes to admit that they're *shock* wrong
It's not internet behavior, it's just basic existing a world where sometimes there's misinformation. If a news outlet reports that a political figure had corrupt dealings, I may comment "woah that guy is corrupt." Then the next day the news outlet says actually they were tricked, then I'll comment "oh I guess he wasn't corrupt. Also I trust that news outlet less now." I don't see the big deal about that. My initial comment is very easily retractable. It doesn't make me a hater, an idiot, or a mob member - as long as I recognize the new information.
If my initial reaction was not "woah that guy is corrupt," but was "I fucking hate that guy so much!!!", it's over the top. But the issue there is not in disliking the politician, but in the manner of maturity with which that sentiment is expressed. Having a position of disapproval remains reasonable given the information, and it is still subject to change given new future information.
Now if people were trying to identify the specific artist and go after him as an individual, then that absolutely is mob mentality and psychotic and should 100% not be allowed. If the artist had done something wrong, it would be Epic's responsibility to deal with it and no one else's.
So what solution are you proposing here? I don't think that refusing to believe an accuser in favor of a corporation until we have 100% proof is a good idea at all. We could automatically lock all new threads for a week in case new information is ever to come in, but that's obviously absurd. We could demand every user posts evidence of their individual journalistic investigation of each topic before posting, but again that's absurd.
It may be there were some over the topic toxic posts you are referring to that I just didn't see.
Perhaps I just need to see examples of the specific quotes in question, because I don't feel bad at all for saying "shame on you Epic" and then saying "oh, nevermind, that report was wrong."
I have made several 'mood lifting' threads in the past and it's just the same thing over and over.I've been using Era less and less these past few weeks just because of the overwhelming negativity that can be found here. It's depressing man. It's easy to say "Well just ignore those threads" but when most of the threads are full of some sort of controversy then you have to ask yourself "is it even worth browsing through anymore".
I love this place but it's becoming hard to stick around for as long as I used to. It feels like the place becomes less and less about actual "games" as the weeks go on.
/rantover
For all his faults, at least Jims recognizes when he fucks up. Unlike some users with Razor Mom
I'm eating my crow with a sidehelping of Sterling schadenfreude. Not gonna lie.
To be fair, in the video Jim took down, he did mention that there was a possibility of it being a fake and didn't present anything as fact. Though he was leaning more strongly towards the kid telling the truth. But it was a good deal more nuanced than the "fuck Epic" responses on the first page of this thread.Oh no, I hope someone saved it, I want to see this for the funny.
I like a lot of Jim's content, but he Jim has his radar set to "AAA bad" "publisher bad" "users heroes", which is a bias he needs to check.Glad it all came out in the end. I just hope the Epic artist didn't go through too much stress as a result of this and that the kid (idiotic as their behaviour may have been) doesn't get harassed online now. Somebody should definitely sit them down and give them a stern talking-to about copyright, fraud and how someone's livelihood was endangered by this little stunt, though.
To be fair, in the video Jim took down, he did mention that there was a possibility of it being a fake and didn't present anything as fact. Though he was leaning more strongly towards the kid telling the truth. But it was a good deal more nuanced than the "fuck Epic" responses on the first page of this thread.
He can be a bit too biased, yeah. I was merely replying to people who hadn't seen the video and were now assuming Jim had gone all out on the "Epic definitely, without a shadow of a doubt plagiarised this kid's art" angle when he actually hadn't.I like a lot of Jim's content, but he Jim has his radar set to "AAA bad" "publisher bad" "users heroes", which is a bias he needs to check.
I'm not saying people shouldn't be skeptical if something seems fishy. However, online art theft is already taken with plenty of skepticism and apathy. If you want an example of how bad it is: see the popularity of the bot Archillect, which scours art blogs (mostly Tumblr) for images that matches its aesthetic, takes those images without permission, and posts them without credit. There's a separate Twitter bot that gives the source of those images, but it doesn't get nearly as much attention. The creator knows a lot of artists have a problem with this, but doesn't give a shit. As an example of how little people care about that this happens, here's a thread on this forum of people getting hyped because they thought Archillect might be teasing a Death Stranding reveal. This was brought up in the thread by a couple of people (including me), nobody gave a shit because oh shit oh fuck Kojima the god the genius might reveal another Death Stranding teaser that shows nothing. Getting hyped cause the art stealing bot with aesthetic with no connection to the game might be teasing a thing for the game.We should always be skeptical if we don't know the whole story. Defamation of character can be destructive on the person on the receiving end of the accusation as well.
It's... a real bummer. This place could be, and should be better, but I've found the moderation just doesn't have the initiative to maintain quality discussion.I have made several 'mood lifting' threads in the past and it's just the same thing over and over.
Made a you are now in a date with the last character you played as? A big chunk of the replies were like 'gross OP' or 'I'm not gay' like why are you even replying to that.
Made one about a game that had nothing to do with the THQ shit? (even though it was not very clear at first) every comment was like 'yeah I'm not touching epic see you in 2020' I'm certainly tired of the rampant negative replies, even if I opened this thread I was very clear about not being 100% sure about what the artist was claiming.
Terrible.
I agree, from what I can see Jim's take was fair overall and the evidence did look damning at first. He sometimes go a bit too hard in on the whole "triple Aaaaaa" thing, though, and he probably did think he had a smoking gun.He can be a bit too biased, yeah. I was merely replying to people who hadn't seen the video and were now assuming Jim had gone all out on the "Epic definitely, without a shadow of a doubt plagiarised this kid's art" angle when he actually hadn't.
I can't understand what the heck is going on on that OP.
He was leaning more towards it being real but he did point out that you can edit DeviantArt works after the fact and that it's a developing story.I agree, from what I can see Jim's take was fair overall and the evidence did look damning at first. He sometimes go a bit too hard in on the whole "triple Aaaaaa" thing, though, and he probably did think he had a smoking gun.
I didn't see the video as I was sleeping, but there are many reports of his stance being as you say. If people are misrepresenting that ITT shows that it really doesn't matter what happens to draw light to reactionary BS behaviours as this thread has, if there's a train some people will always climb on board.
This thread isn't going to teach the forum as a whole anything, unfortunately.
Not sure if they'd care about bad press, last I checked they're still suing a kid for cheating at Fortnite.Yeah, it would probably just generate even more bad press for Epic but... you never know I guess.
hahahaha whatHow about don't say "fuck you epic" (the internet equivalent of a hanging
I wonder how many lessons were learned here today?
I doubt very many.
No regrets here, I'll always prefer believing a smaller artist over a fucking corporation.
And Epic stealing ideas is pretty fucking well known at this point.
All this did was expose once again how quick Era can turn toxic and stupid when a company people don't like is involved in potential scandal.
He was leaning more towards it being real but he did point out that you can edit DeviantArt works after the fact and that it's a developing story.
Are you fuckin kidding me? Did you really say it's not a good idea to hold off judgment until you have all facts? That's 100% the solution. Im really at a loss. Why does everyone want to jump to conclusions without facts. You dont feel bad for saying shame on a company when you didn't have all the facts and then looked like an ass for being wrong? Well then there's a problem with you and you'll just look like an idiot the rest of your life. So if that's what you want go ahead. But don't be shocked when people call you a moron from here on outSo what solution are you proposing here? I don't think that refusing to believe an accuser in favor of a corporation until we have 100% proof is a good idea at all. We could automatically lock all new threads for a week in case new information is ever to come in, but that's obviously absurd. We could demand every user posts evidence of their individual journalistic investigation of each topic before posting, but again that's absurd.
Perhaps I just need to see examples of the specific quotes in question, because I don't feel bad at all for saying "shame on you Epic" and then saying "oh, nevermind, that report was wrong." It may be there were some over the topic toxic posts you are referring to that I just didn't see.
I do agree this place should be better, but the mod team has to go to some shit like everyday and they can't be everywhere :/It's... a real bummer. This place could be, and should be better, but I've found the moderation just doesn't have the initiative to maintain quality discussion.
It's... a real bummer. This place could be, and should be better, but I've found the moderation just doesn't have the initiative to maintain quality discussion.
I do agree this place should be better, but the mod team has to go to some shit like everyday and they can't be everywhere :/
Well, fuck that guy.
But also fuck Epic for a ton of other reasons. Nobody wins.