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Fortnite Crossplay XB1 - PS4 | Seems like the ball is in Sony's court ... Again - MOD EDIT: READ OP
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Sony wants people to buy PS4s to play Fortnite. Why would they allow crossplay with a console that is a direct competitor?
The dynamic needs to be a ~ 50/50 userbase split between Playstation/Xbox users for crossplay to benefit both companies.
The dynamic needs to be a ~ 50/50 userbase split between Playstation/Xbox users for crossplay to benefit both companies.
And yet most of the stuff Phil Spencer say's has come to fruition. So his point still means jack shit!
Cross-play only helps Xbox sell systems in the 3/4's of the globe where the platform has little to no presence. Somny will allow cross-play when Xbox becomes a 3rd party publisher. Which I fully expect to happen before the end of next gen.
As important for Sony, I've never encountered a single person in the PlayStation community eager for cross-play. The bigger PS4 marketshare the greater the investment in it's ecosystem from 1st and 3rd party. It's really that simple.
As important for Sony, I've never encountered a single person in the PlayStation community eager for cross-play. The bigger PS4 marketshare the greater the investment in it's ecosystem from 1st and 3rd party. It's really that simple.
You keep these multi-player games alive longer? This is a benefit for them and the publisher
What's good for their market position is good for the consumer. It means a better stance for getting exclusives, and exclusive deals with comarketing, and more money for next-gen R&D, and console production budgets, and game development budgets, etc.
You have to remember that PS4 has more than double the sales of Xbox One. It's not bad for the PS4 players, it's bad for the Xbox players since they are the ones more likelly to be left out.
What are you trying to imply? Nothing was stated beforehand to confirm either way.
A game as popular as Fortnite doesn't need the Xbox userbase to stay alive.
lol And next month "the ball" will be in Sony's court again. It still won't happen.
And Sony has an incredible 1st Party lineup and the most games on its platform. 4ThePlayers indeed.
Sony doesn't care, unfortunately. I guess I can understand, it benefits the competitor more to access their bigger pool of a user base than it does them.
If people are really all up in arms about anti-consumerism, why don't more people ask MS why Sony lets you play Fortnite Battle Royal without the need of Plus but MS doesn't with Live?
Cause it doesn't shape the specific narrative.
If people are really all up in arms about anti-consumerism, why don't more people ask MS why Sony lets you play Fortnite Battle Royal without the need of Plus but MS doesn't with Live?
Cause it doesn't shape the specific narrative.
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Wow. First world problems.
But seriously, your kid will be fine.
Not now. But think outside your bubble. What about less popular games? What about Fortnite in a few years? Don't dwell on one game. It's bigger than that
There's no need to get a PS4 if you already own an Xbox and Fortnite anyway. There's nothing Sony can gain in that sense.
It's not like Xbox has a shortage of players. Fortnite is massive on both consoles. But having a unified player community would be a fantastic thing for all Fortnite players In general.
Lol i did not realize this. That makes it a lot more attractive on PS4 (and PC of course).
Those aren't good for the consumer at all beyond more the same gate-keeping to ensure the other side has a negative experience while not improving aspects for your own ecosystem. R&D is is the exact same nebulous pit as as their online subscription services go.
It's all corporate hogwash, the consumer doesn't benefit at all from any of this.
the real irony here isn't the 4theplayers stuff, it's how developer friendly Sony wanted to be this gen and now developers want something and they're just like "nah, fuck off"
Yes. Every time. The more bad press Sony gets for this, the better.
This sort of thing just doesn't affect most players on any of these platforms so there's no reason to do. Keep mockingly saying "4 the players dur hurr".
Personally all my friends are on PS4. I literally don't know anyone with just an Xbox One. I imagine that's a lot of people's situations considering PS4 and XB1 sales. And I doubt PC is aching for a larger player base either.
Personally all my friends are on PS4. I literally don't know anyone with just an Xbox One. I imagine that's a lot of people's situations considering PS4 and XB1 sales. And I doubt PC is aching for a larger player base either.
Irrelevant to the conversation. We're talking about how it benefits Sony for people to have to buy a PS4 to play Fortnite with their friends.
Your son will not be able to cross-play on Roblox even if Sony changed their stance, because Microsoft paid to delay the PS4 and PSVR version of the game.
The developer confirmed that Roblox was in production for PS4 after job listings were spotted on their website. We were just waiting for the Xbox timed exlusivity period to expire. Microsoft then went and chucked more money at the devs and the PS4 version vanished.
I didnt say my kid would not be fine.
I said cross play would be so much better for him to play with ALL his buddies.
The kids will do this but by choosing to go on a platform what doesn't have any issues and barriers like PC or Mobile instead.
I was really hoping I got across the real annoyances this brings up.
It's far far far less than no cross play at all but not the best option for all.
I met a guy a few years back who noticed my Destiny shirt and we proceeded to geek out about how much we were enjoying the game. Then as we were about to trade user names, we realised that we played on different platforms. That was the end of what could have been a beautiful friendship.
The only problem I think needs to be solved is how you'd communicate with the player on the other platform. I like using Party chat on PS4 and unless Sony/MS figures out some way to join each other through that then I'm not sure if I'd have a great time without it.
But yeah, nothing has changed and Sony or whoever the market leader is won't agree to cross-play with director competitors. Anti-consumer? Yes, but sadly it's business so I don't see this changing any time soon.
The only problem I think needs to be solved is how you'd communicate with the player on the other platform. I like using Party chat on PS4 and unless Sony/MS figures out some way to join each other through that then I'm not sure if I'd have a great time without it.
But yeah, nothing has changed and Sony or whoever the market leader is won't agree to cross-play with director competitors. Anti-consumer? Yes, but sadly it's business so I don't see this changing any time soon.
I think the biggest issue with this even remotely getting off the ground is that there isn't much outrage from the majority of PS4 gamers.
Most PS4 gamers simply don't care about cross play to a point where Sony need to do anything about it.
What people fail to realize is that userbase is still a huge differentiating factor between consoles. Sony is on top this gen and gained a massive userbase by making all the right moves while the competition didn't.
And now Microsoft comes knocking for the privilege of tapping into that huge userbase Sony had cultivated, with Phil Spencer carrying a transparent banner of sudden proconsumerism, well I guess I can see why Sony is hesitant. They are running a business after all.
That said, I still think Sony should just open up the floodgates as a goodwill move. Knowing full well that Nintendo and Microsoft will be profiting off that decision and in extension, their own work. Simply because the (faux) outrage shows no sign of dying down anytime soon.
And now Microsoft comes knocking for the privilege of tapping into that huge userbase Sony had cultivated, with Phil Spencer carrying a transparent banner of sudden proconsumerism, well I guess I can see why Sony is hesitant. They are running a business after all.
That said, I still think Sony should just open up the floodgates as a goodwill move. Knowing full well that Nintendo and Microsoft will be profiting off that decision and in extension, their own work. Simply because the (faux) outrage shows no sign of dying down anytime soon.
Come on. With that blind logic any action or business policy that leads to higher profits can be construed as being better for the consumer in the long run including predatory loot box practices or even monopolies.
No, it's not irrelevant. It's one game our of several already that Microsoft is interested in cross play and Sony isn't. It's just one more game. And it won't be the last. I'm glad that every time we get a thread like this one with countless posts. The more bad press the better
But there is no gain for Sony with this, they just want that any friend with an Xbox go out and buy a PS4 for play with PS4 players :'D
I think there was speculation a couple of days ago that Fortnite specifically was an issue on Microsofts end
Sorry but this is not accurate either.
Fortnite is on both platforms, they just can't play with each other.
Honestly I don't see this happening any time soon. When you're the market leader, you have little reason to allow this, just like MS were against it last gen.
The only way I see this happening is if XB2 is the market leader next gen and people continue to bug Sony about allowing it.
Xbox have publicly stated their position on cross-play and he's just repeating.
Just because Xbox delivers a lot of what their consumers want, do not make Phil Spencer "a used car sales man".
Is this what you thought about when Sony refused to allow EA Access on it's platform? That Sony refused it because the cost is higher than the benefit, and so refusing EA Access is good for their consumers?
It's gonna get really hard to ignore more and more major games being cross play compatible with PlayStation being the odd one out. And then if other major publishers decide to enable the feature with their major multiplayer series like Call of Duty and Battlefield, it'll make them look even worse.
People keep bringing up userbase but not everyone in a console userbase buys every game. Each game has its own demographic on each console, some are stronger on others, some are pretty equal. PS4 having a big userbase means diddly squat to the overall demographics between systems. Crossplay between consoles would keep smaller games alive longer, and make match making better and quicker.
Maybe with services but i buy a console for games and MS is lacking in that department since 2010.
Yes it's good for Sony too. What was that one game that had like 7 active players. While I do not believe that game was on Xbox, in a similar situation with a multi platform game you keep the game alive with 14 players as opposed to 7
Nobody cares about it, 99.9% of online population to be specific, I sure don't care.
It causes "bad" press on this forum and with some Twitter users.
Well they have to cause they weren't giving what the consumers wanted in the first place.
This makes no sense. We are talking about games that are already on multiple platforms. Forcing people to buy a game for PS4 just to play with PS4 users is going to have the opposite affect of what your saying. Why buy a game that only allows you to play with one user-base when you can buy the same game on another platform and play with all the other platforms. Sony is now at a disadvantage for every cross-platform multiplayer game that releases.
Also what does "Nintendo isn't on par with current gen" even mean? Are you talking about technical specs or their online system? Even though its weaker and the online isnt fully fledged like psn and xbl it isn't really relevant to this topic. We are talking about cross-play between multiple systems. Nintendo allows this and it works just fine so what relevance does "its not on par with current gen" have when it comes to this?
Lastly, allowing Switch owners to play with other systems does not seem to have any negative impact on its console sales. In fact, it is probably helping the system sell even more knowing that you can play games like Minecraft with a ton of other people on different platforms. So your last point makes no sense either.