I have so many questions
Is that dude wearing a gas mask/purple wig/ straight-jacket?
Only reason Fortnite ain't implementing white people dances is that white people can't dance. Prove me wrong.
That leap of logic is astonishing.It is weird seeing defense were MJ is getting shat on for not creating, but popularizing a dance move created by Jeffrey Daniels, another black artist, to justify using dance moves with giving credit, and effectively whitewashing it
Those are not people... Those are hell spawn in people suits!I have so many questions
Is that dude wearing a gas mask/purple wig/ straight-jacket?
Copyright law already puts a strangle hold on creativity and you want to expand that to the free expression that is dancing?
Trying to imagine op actually getting pissed at children doing dances and not explicitly telling him it's not from fortnite. lol
In terms of epic gaining money from it, maybe these artists should try taking them to court if they believe they should get a cut, epic has stolen from a lot so I'm sure it can be a big case with lots of people involved
I literally went to an NBA game last night where they had people doing the Carlton on camera. Most adults know where the dance comes from but I guarantee you most of the kids have no idea. Tell me how that is in any way the same thing as Elvis. I think it's more interesting to talk about is Elvis the bad guy here or is the system that allows him to be more popular than black artists? Because Elvis was a dope performer and artist regardless of whether you think he's worthy of praise because other blues and rock and roll artists existed before him. Is Epic to blame here or is it the audience who plays the games and doesn't know where a dance comes from?
White culture peaked with Orange Justice. Y'all need to claim him. That little boy is a legendI think Fornite should implement mad bald guy on ecstasy dance and also techno viking dance to be fair. They are peak white culture.
I see your point. If they're direct moves taken from an artist who specifically popularized it, they should have their name associated to it in the game. I don't think they should be financially compensated though.
Maybe the solution in the mean time is to utilize YouTube to highlight the creative works of artists that you find in Fortnite if that's not already being done. Show the world (fortnite kids) the origins of the favourite dance moves.
Beyond kids and sports teams, is there even that many people who give a shit about replicating the dance moves in public? I can't imagine most adults giving much thought to the dances. I play fortnite and I don't even pay attention to any of the moves.
Cause it's content in their game that had to be animated? They're not charging for the license, dude.
It is weird seeing defense were MJ is getting shat on for not creating, but popularizing a dance move created by Jeffrey Daniels, another black artist, to justify using dance moves with giving credit, and effectively whitewashing it
There;s a sizable portion of white people who don't give a fuck about giving black people credit. You're righting the good fight but good luck getting through to gamers, of all people.
They are called "Cyber goths". Look up some youtube dance videos and have fun.I have so many questions
Is that dude wearing a gas mask/purple wig/ straight-jacket?
I was just joking. I went through a similar (less obvious) phase when I was a teen.Goth and mosher culture is fine, never hurt anyone. Baggy jeans though... yikes.
sure
I love how the OP doesn't mention the word copyright once, and the video says it's not about the money it's about giving some sort of credit
and the thread immediately goes to YOU CAN'T COPYRIGHT A DANCE MOVE
You all really don't realize that the big issue is that Fortnite and EPIC is profiting off of this?
Its like you guys go out your way to make this okay.
Were they not paid for that? I assumed they were. They got a lot of credit for that, so I don't really see how it's comparable.Koreans seem fine with their pop artists dance moves ending up in videogames. Actual K-Pop artists literally just did a big collaboration purely as a videogame promotional tool.
You've gotta be joking right? They got paid to make a song lmao you're stretching shit soo far.Koreans seem fine with their pop artists dance moves ending up in videogames. Actual K-Pop artists literally just did a big collaboration purely as a videogame promotional tool.
Don't all games with customization do this?
and TIL Dances can be copyright protected: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/how-to-copyright-a-dance
This feels more like a means to avoid paying a copyright by naming it something else than what it is actually called opposed to "cultural erasure" by giving credit.
To those saying you cannot copyright a dance... well... that's not entirely true. According to the US Copyright Office:
"Choreography and pantomimes are also copyrightable dramatic works. Choreography is the composition and arrangement of dance movements and patterns usually intended to be accompanied by music. As distinct from choreography, pantomime is the art of imitating or acting out situations, characters, or other events. To be protected by copyright, pantomimes and choreography need not tell a story or be presented before an audience. Each work, however, must be fixed in a tangible medium of expression from which the work can be performed. Note: Sports games and physical-fitness exercises are not considered choreographic works."
Individual movements or dance steps by themselves are not copyrightable, such as the basic waltz step, the hustle step, the grapevine, or the second position in classical ballet. The U.S. Copyright Office cannot register short dance routines consisting of only a few movements or steps with minor linear or spatial variations, even if a routine is novel or distinctive.
i have two questions, and two questions only:
OP literally stated that the whole issue is that Epic are profiting from it.
You either go down this skill tree or down the one that ends with you playing Roxas in a live-action battle with Sora in the middle of DecemberThey are called "Cyber goths". Look up some youtube dance videos and have fun.
Were they not paid for that? I assumed they were. They got a lot of credit for that, so I don't really see how it's comparable.
You've gotta be joking right? They got paid to make a song lmao you're stretching shit soo far.
Thanks, although that wasnt the main thrust.Jeffrey Daniels didn't invent the Moonwalk either. You can find black and white clips of Blackside, the original Moonwalk.
Is there video of it?T-Pain basically did all the Fortnite dances at his concert. Culture is an Ouroboros.
Okay that made me chuckle.You either go down this skill tree or down the one that ends with you playing Roxas in a live-action battle with Sora in the middle of December
I know you're trying to make a silly point but that's not how royalties work, and if you don't understand that then you can't understand the point some in this thread are trying to make.Sorry you didn't invent the dab you now have to pay royalties to whoever did
That's not true that's actually wrong. This isn't a step to a dance this is the entire dance.I'm not going to make a judgement on the OP's topic as a whole but looking at the problem as an issue of copyright is looking at it the wrong way.
Trying to imagine op actually getting pissed at children doing dances and not explicitly telling him it's not from fortnite. lol
In terms of epic gaining money from it, maybe these artists should try taking them to court if they believe they should get a cut, epic has stolen from a lot so I'm sure it can be a big case with lots of people involved
I don't think Epic needs to give credit to the Techno Viking guy or BTS or Blackpink either, no.it seems like some of you guys don't even consider the possibility of Epic giving credit/compensation if they aren't legally forced to.
this is frustrating but expected.
That was definitely the case during world of Warcraft times but I imagine nowadays they're mostly mo-caped by professional dancersIn the same thought as dances being difficult to credit, y'all couldn't look me in the eye and tell me an animator wasn't watching a YouTube video or went to a concert and saw someone perform when they came up with the corresponding emote. Some of them may be their own shit but I promise you that those animators have videos up of the dances they're being inspired by while they're animating.
At the very least they could credit some of those.
I know you're trying to make a silly point but that's not how royalties work, and if you don't understand that then you can't understand the point some in this thread are trying to make.
Basically, the OP claiming he dabbed did not make him a profit. Me dabbing right now doesn't make me a profit so there are no royalties to be paid. If I were to make money off of something someone else created then the argument for royalties comes in. That's one of the issues here. Epic is profiting by selling something other people created, that's why people bring up royalties.
I don't think Epic needs to give credit to the Techno Viking guy or BTS or Blackpink either, no.
That's not true that's actually wrong. This isn't a step to a dance this is the entire dance.
What?
That was definitely the case during world of Warcraft times but I imagine nowadays they're mostly mo-caped by professional dancers