I don't think they were pushing GP that much with FH 4 or other relatively recent first party releases. I think GP ultimate announcement at e3 is the biggest factor.benji did a tweet explaining how gears 5 is the first actual evidence that game pass has cannibalized the sale according to low pre order /sale numbers he had compared to high interest in the game
This was the line used for FH4, SoD, Sea of Thieves, it was proven to be wrong then, based on Gears 5 huge debut, its highly likely to be wrong again. GP boosts the sales of these games, we have data to back it up, so I doubt the success here is on these temp GP numbers.
I mean Xbox IS Gamepass at this point. That's been MS's whole shift to a service company. They aren't making a ton of money on UGP right now no, but they are building a customer base. Subscribers are notorious for forgetting to cancel auto-renew. I think it's laughable to suggest that they aren't making a ton of money on gears 5 so it somehow has some effect on it beating out a f2p game.
It's amazing that they were able to dislodge fortnight at all.
PC gamepass also is new.I don't think they were pushing GP that much with FH 4 or other relatively recent first party releases. I think GP ultimate announcement at e3 is the biggest factor.
I didn't have a pc when gears 4 came out.So you would have paid around 400 rather than the 60 to play it on pc if there wasn't gamepass, but are totally fine playing on PC if there is gamepass? That logic makes no Sense to me, or rather....
I think we're getting way off topic here anyways...
I wonder if this says more about Fortnite or Gears. There were some rumours/stats that indicated fortnite may be beyond its peak (certainly is anecdotally). I don't really see any indication that Gears 5 will do better in the long run than Gears 4 did, though I guess the cheap game pass offers may give the game a better chance at grabbing a new audience.
Maybe even next week.
This was the line used for FH4, SoD, Sea of Thieves, it was proven to be wrong then, based on Gears 5 huge debut, its highly likely to be wrong again. GP boosts the sales of these games, we have data to back it up, so I doubt the success here is on these temp GP numbers.
Maybe even next week.
People need to realize then the achievement is getting to #1. Its not gonna stay there. The list usually is mostly heavy influenced by MP titles.
Because its hours played and MP games rack up hours. Alot of people play Gears for the SP. Finish it after 12 hours and then drop it. So offcourse Gears 5 will drop on the list very fast.
I mean it will stay arround. Just dont expect it to be number 1 for a long time.Too bad because Gears mutliplayer is one of the best of all time.
There's room to have a broader conversation here.
I mean, Microsoft's approach is working very well. I just fear that game design ends up being influenced by the business model now people are caught up and retail sales are going down.
Haven't seen anything as of now to suggest game design decisions are being influenced in that way.
Forza Horizon came out less than 12 months ago, and had over 10 million playing the game. Thats a long time?not that impressive, is the only AAA exclusive game in a long time
If Gears 5 gets more physical sales than Gears of War 4, we'll know for sure.I think this is a bit of a confused argument.
All I'm suggesting is the pretty simple point that Gears 5 would probably not have taken the #1 spot if it wasn't for Game Pass and the very heavy discounting of Game Pass. This is not contradicted by any of the things you've pointed out. The game would not have more users or more cumulative play time without Game Pass and the discounting, it would have less, and I would argue quite substantially less based on anecdotal evidence and simple common sense.
Furthermore, I think people should be very careful with the 'fact' that game pass boosts game sales. It's based on relatively little information and there is no true way to test that a game that launched on gamepass sold better than it would have otherwise. Moreover, in the long term, as long term subscribers will almost certainly buy fewer game pass games (especially if they're going to start offering ultimate editions).
Ahaha as though fortnite isn't near the top, if not the VERY top, of EVERY platform right now XD. Look just because it's not being sold on Steam or Play Store, doesn't mean it isn't still killing it on Android and PC lol. This is a big deal on any platform.
Wait what about digital sales? There's no way the vast majority of players didn't pick this game up digital. Doesn't mean they didn't buy it, but it's still digital. Lots of double negatives lol. Anyway, physical is probably going to be irrelevant for this cycle.If Gears 5 gets more physical sales than Gears of War 4, we'll know for sure.
not that impressive, is the only AAA exclusive game in a long time
As i see it, right now they are losing money to get the mindshare. I wonder, what is approximate number of GP subscribers they are expecting to get across Scarlett+Xone+Win10+Xcloud.PC gamepass also is new..
Physical sales are gonna be hurt the most for sure. I am even expecting the game to do "worse" at launch physical wise then Gears 4.
I mean it will stay arround. Just dont expect it to be number 1 for a long time.
Remember that Gears is counting both Xbox and PC while Fortnite is only counting Xbox One. This can affect the results quite a lot in countries where Xbox One is not a popular console.
Xbox Live.
Well if they can get 5 million UGP subscribers at the full $15 a month that's $900 million a year in revenue. Over the course of a gen, say 6 years, that's $5.4 billion. But, we don't know how much they are spending. This of course combines the money they are making off Xbox live for those 5 million. We really need more data though to know how many subscribers they "need".As i see it, right now they are losing money to get the mindshare. I wonder, what is approximate number of GP subscribers they are expecting to get across Scarlett+Xone+Win10+Xcloud.
Then Gears 5 at that moment or number 1 at some point?
It also can suggest a very high digital ratio tbh. I think making such conclusions having only physical sales data can be a little tricky.benji did a tweet explaining how gears 5 is the first actual evidence that game pass has cannibalized the sale according to low pre order /sale numbers he had compared to high interest in the game. i guess in couple of years we will know better.i could see a scenario where MS brings their games 2 months after launch to game pass so they get to enjoy the sales
Benji said 70/30 expected.It also can suggest a very high digital ratio tbh. I think make such conclusions having only physical sales data can be a little tricky.
If there's going to be a be dlc, it won't be about that
a friend of mine caculated that if red dead, which sold 17 mln copies in its first week, arrive third in that list, and if x1:ps4 split is around 2:5, then we are clearly in the order of millions of usersSo any rough estimates possible on player counts based on this info ?
like it succeded where rdr2, fh4 and apex legends failednot that impressive, is the only AAA exclusive game in a long time
Nah. Gears 5 will drop soon. Dont expect Outer Worlds to hit number 1 also. Even with gamepass, Its just a smaller game at the end and SP focused. Top for that game at launch would be a great result.Oh, just found out that COD Modern Warfare and Outer Worlds release on the same day, so COD will take over as the most played Xbox game from which ever game is still at Number 1 on the most played ( Could still be Gears 5?).
Oh, just found out that COD Modern Warfare and Outer Worlds release on the same day, so COD will take over as the most played Xbox game from which ever game is still at Number 1 on the most played ( Could still be Gears 5?).
With that ratio + game pass and steam, obviously physical/retailer sales and preorders are low compared to the interest of the game.
I remember when Gears 3 peaked at 2500 players a day with less than 500 when it was night in the US. I doubt the game will be able to sustain players in the long run. I think the skill ceiling is too high.Too bad because Gears mutliplayer is one of the best of all time.