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Fortnite lost its #1 most played spot on the xbox store it had since summer 2018. Gears 5 ends the run
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I don't think they were pushing GP that much with FH 4 or other relatively recent first party releases. I think GP ultimate announcement at e3 is the biggest factor.
I find this so difficult to believe, no matter what they say. People are buying a $60 game that they can easily access along with a shitload of other games for $1-$5, or in many cases free. Do they just not care about money?
So far I've spent a whopping $1 on Game Pass and several games have now lost any future potential sales they would've gotten from me. When I get back home I'm going to activate a free month I received and blow through Gears 5, which is another game I would've bought. Now I won't bother until it's a couple bucks in a future sale.
I think Game Pass is an incredible value, but I don't believe for a moment it's helping game sales. All you have to do is look at those puny Steam numbers to see that people aren't buying the game as much as they would've had it not been given away.
This. I upgraded to Gamepass ultimate the other day. Turns out I was paying monthly for separate Gold and Gamepass subscriptions for over a year and I didn't even know I was subscribed to Gold at all.
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PC gamepass also is new.
Physical sales are gonna be hurt the most for sure. I am even expecting the game to do "worse" at launch physical wise then Gears 4.
I didn't have a pc when gears 4 came out.So you would have paid around 400 rather than the 60 to play it on pc if there wasn't gamepass, but are totally fine playing on PC if there is gamepass? That logic makes no Sense to me, or rather....
I think we're getting way off topic here anyways...
But yeah off topic..
100% agree fortnite is going nowhere Gears is brand new give it a month or two and Fortnite will bounce back.
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Maybe even next week.
People need to realize then the achievement is getting to #1. Its not gonna stay there. The list usually is mostly heavy influenced by MP titles.
Because its hours played and MP games rack up hours. Alot of people play Gears for the SP. Finish it after 12 hours and then drop it. So offcourse Gears 5 will drop on the list very fast.
I think this is a bit of a confused argument.
All I'm suggesting is the pretty simple point that Gears 5 would probably not have taken the #1 spot if it wasn't for Game Pass and the very heavy discounting of Game Pass. This is not contradicted by any of the things you've pointed out. The game would not have more users or more cumulative play time without Game Pass and the discounting, it would have less, and I would argue quite substantially less based on anecdotal evidence and simple common sense.
Furthermore, I think people should be very careful with the 'fact' that game pass boosts game sales. It's based on relatively little information and there is no true way to test that a game that launched on gamepass sold better than it would have otherwise. Moreover, in the long term, as long term subscribers will almost certainly buy fewer game pass games (especially if they're going to start offering ultimate editions).
Too bad because Gears mutliplayer is one of the best of all time.
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I mean it will stay arround. Just dont expect it to be number 1 for a long time.
Kind of surprised Fortnite stood up against titans like CoD and RDR2 but I guess that's the power of F2P. Regardless of how many paid how much for it, it is a testament that Microsoft and The Coalition put out something that Xbox gamers wanted to play. They have intentionally practically given away Games Pass so no one can argue that it is a failure that some people are enjoying it at a low cost. Microsoft wanted people to sub and to play the game. They got that result.
Yer both wrong. Game pass 100% absolutely influences game design, and Xbox has been clear about it. And it's a dammed good thing, too.
The current incentives in the market are to spend huge dollars in grand AAA experiences to try to make that blockbuster hit. This gen, this has been the Sony model (I mean, if you squint a bit. But even Bend sized up to try to do the big bad AAA game). This is a high risk game, that lots of companies have taken huge hits on - leading many to downsize or even close. It mirrors the big blockbuster movie industry.
Or. You could be an indie, try to spend no money, hope that it gets big or gets bought.
Or. You could be F2P (or paid..) and hope that MTX carry the day, because you know that sales won't cover dev costs.
These are true for SP and MP games.
Game Pass breaks those incentives. It is already allowing Xbox devs to create smaller, more niche games that won't sell well to a wide audience nor attract huge MTX transactions. How? Because all a game has to do is get subscribers to stay. So, a niche game that really energizes a small group of players is just as valuable as a huge expensive game that is just like every other moderate AAA success.
Xbox needs and is creating both. Game Pass is making the industry better (for the moment). Are there potential issues when every game is a sub or fails? Sure. But there are clear and very obvious dangers with the status quo right now already. Just because it's familiar doesn't mean it's not collapsing quietly.
Forza Horizon came out less than 12 months ago, and had over 10 million playing the game. Thats a long time?
If Gears 5 gets more physical sales than Gears of War 4, we'll know for sure.
I am surprised Apex is as high as it is, considering the sharp drop in popularity. How is the game currently?
Ahaha as though fortnite isn't near the top, if not the VERY top, of EVERY platform right now XD. Look just because it's not being sold on Steam or Play Store, doesn't mean it isn't still killing it on Android and PC lol. This is a big deal on any platform.
Unless you're talking about the state of games in general, in which case, I have no words because we've had quite a lovely last few weeks, let alone last couple years..
Wait what about digital sales? There's no way the vast majority of players didn't pick this game up digital. Doesn't mean they didn't buy it, but it's still digital. Lots of double negatives lol. Anyway, physical is probably going to be irrelevant for this cycle.
I'm personally much more interested in gears 5 VS bl3. I imagine bl will also surpass fortnite, but boy.. If it doesn't.. Wow. And if gears holds it own on the NPD, I will be floored. In a good way.
Remember that Gears is counting both Xbox and PC while Fortnite is only counting Xbox One. This can affect the results quite a lot in countries where Xbox One is not a popular console.
That argument will never make sense as Crackdown 3 has shown. People said the same about the Switch at launch. "Of course game X will sell because there are no other games on the system." And yet we have seen a lot of games that underperformed during that time period. Good games sell it's as easy as that.
As i see it, right now they are losing money to get the mindshare. I wonder, what is approximate number of GP subscribers they are expecting to get across Scarlett+Xone+Win10+Xcloud.
Well if they can get 5 million UGP subscribers at the full $15 a month that's $900 million a year in revenue. Over the course of a gen, say 6 years, that's $5.4 billion. But, we don't know how much they are spending. This of course combines the money they are making off Xbox live for those 5 million. We really need more data though to know how many subscribers they "need".
Holy shit at some of you who downplay this. Fanboys much?
Congrats to MS and The Coalition. The game is truly goty material. Currently in AcT 2 playing co-op has been blast.
IMO, it stands up very well against even Sonys first party offering and even surpasses them in terms on content and gameplay.
Congrats to MS and The Coalition. The game is truly goty material. Currently in AcT 2 playing co-op has been blast.
IMO, it stands up very well against even Sonys first party offering and even surpasses them in terms on content and gameplay.
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Then Gears 5 at that moment or number 1 at some point?
It also can suggest a very high digital ratio tbh. I think making such conclusions having only physical sales data can be a little tricky.
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Oh, just found out that COD Modern Warfare and Outer Worlds release on the same day, so COD will take over as the most played Xbox game from which ever game is still at Number 1 on the most played ( Could still be Gears 5?).
If there's going to be a be dlc, it won't be about that
a friend of mine caculated that if red dead, which sold 17 mln copies in its first week, arrive third in that list, and if x1:ps4 split is around 2:5, then we are clearly in the order of millions of users
like it succeded where rdr2, fh4 and apex legends failed
How is that not impressive
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Nah. Gears 5 will drop soon. Dont expect Outer Worlds to hit number 1 also. Even with gamepass, Its just a smaller game at the end and SP focused. Top for that game at launch would be a great result.
It is extremely likely that Fortnite will regain the top spot in a week or so, and stay there despite releases of Outer Worlds (which will be nowhere near as popular as Gears 5) and Modern Warfare (which is a $60 game).
With that ratio + game pass and steam, obviously physical/retailer sales and preorders are low compared to the interest of the game.
I remember when Gears 3 peaked at 2500 players a day with less than 500 when it was night in the US. I doubt the game will be able to sustain players in the long run. I think the skill ceiling is too high.