It has an entire two extra years of development time then any other mainline halo game (barring the first one). I'm cautiously optimistic that the game is going to be one for the books.If it's good, if it's about the level of halo 5 or 4 than maybe initially it will but it will drop off really quickly. 343 has way more to prove than the collition does.
I don't agree and I am not alone in this that they dropped the ball hard on Halo 5 MP. I actively dislike it compared to the older games. it's also why I am unsure of halo infinite.It has an entire two extra years of development time then any other mainline halo game (barring the first one). I'm cautiously optimistic that the game is going to be one for the books.
Not to mention 343 has gotten the MP down with Halo 5, and they had a good direction for the campaign in Halo 4. Couple that with more open traditional Halo levels, and I can see Infinite breaking records.
Take a look at the top games in US. The top 16 (I stopped counting) are all multiplayer games. Yes Gears has a campaign that people are playing, but even more people are playing it for the MP.
I know that plenty of people didn't like the direction of Halo 5's MP, but it was nowhere near as badly received as Halo 4 and even to an extent Reach.I don't agree and I am not alone in this that they dropped the ball hard on Halo 5 MP. I actively dislike it compared to the older games. it's also why I am unsure of halo infinite.
It was as badly recieved as Halo 4, The thing is none of 343's games have lived up to previous halo's before they took over. Halo Infinite is basically the big chance they have but there's no guarentee it's going to be a huge hit.Take a look at the top games in US. The top 16 (I stopped counting) are all multiplayer games. Yes Gears has a campaign that people are playing, but even more people are playing it for the MP.
I know that plenty of people didn't like the direction of Halo 5's MP, but it was nowhere near as badly received as Halo 4 and even to an extent Reach.
I can see 343 messing with some of the abilities (but please don't remove thruster), but the core of Halo 5 MP is very solid imo.
Sure, but that's the differential it has over Apex. Any amount of people downloading it and kicking around the campaign for a couple hours will help.Take a look at the top games in US. The top 16 (I stopped counting) are all multiplayer games. Yes Gears has a campaign that people are playing, but even more people are playing it for the MP.
I'm sorry but I think this is a case where people have somewhat misunderstood what Spencer is saying and have run a mile with it. Forgetting what he has said for a moment, it is very difficult to believe that sales will stick or even rise as subscriptions rise. This has been established clearly by other services in similar areas, both with sales of music as streaming services like spotify have come about, and with sales of dvs/blurays as streaming services like Netflix have come about. It would be extraordinary for subscriptions to lead to more sales in the long run based on this, and based on fairly simple logic: subscribers are unlikely to buy games they already have access to. In the longer term, the effect ramps up again, because a user stops buying products that aren't available through subscription because they're satisfied by what is.
Game Pass subscribers buying more games does not imply that subscriptions lead to purchasing more games (basic correlation vs causation issue). There are several reasons why that could be true that seem more logical:
1) Game Pass subscribers tend to be people that play more games anyway
2) Game Pass subscribers end up gaming more on Xbox rather than other platforms
3) A short term Game Pass subscriber buys a game because their subscription lapses (a common case in the aftermath of one of these big discounts I'd think)
None of the above reasons would lead to a situation where sales could be sustained if Game Pass (and similar subscription services) become widespread in the way they have in music, film and TV. As it happens, in the case of Gears, Benji has indicated that Game Pass seems to have cannibalised day one sales, something which hadn't been indicated with previous launches on Game Pass. I would expect that to be common. Game Pass is going to have upsides and downsides like these in the long run, but I expect for Microsoft any cannibalisation in sales will be more than made up for by the additional subscribers.
As I keep repeating, I'm positive about Game Pass and its future. But the notion that it's going to be all up and subscription services won't affect game sales is a fantasy.
I'm really digging it (PC here) but let's be real. Fortnite will probably be #1 again in two weeks
If anything, I can see NBA2k or Borderlands being #1. There were various times that 2k19 was the #2 most played gameI'm really digging it (PC here) but let's be real. Fortnite will probably be #1 again in two weeks
Uh, I was also around for the Halo 4 and Halo 5 launch. Halo 5 had no where near as bad a reception multiplayer wise. It was also consistently populated for years after launch and you can still actively find matches.It was as badly recieved as Halo 4, The thing is none of 343's games have lived up to previous halo's before they took over. Halo Infinite is basically the big chance they have but there's no guarentee it's going to be a huge hit.
The main difference I see from gears to halo anymore is gears 4 was still a pretty good foundation which gears 5 took, Halo 5 to me is a poor foundation that halo infinite has, heck one of the most fundamental parts of the game the aiming is something that has turned me off of the game and I hope it's better in infinite I just won't know till i play it.
It doesn't mean it's a good multiplayer game. you can still find matches in pretty much every halo game.Uh, I was also around for the Halo 4 and Halo 5 launch. Halo 5 had no where near as bad a reception multiplayer wise. It was also consistently populated for years after launch and you can still actively find matches.
Halo 5 has the best multiplayer of the series, I'd argue it's still the best arena shooter in its field.It doesn't mean it's a good multiplayer game. you can still find matches in pretty much every halo game.
It barely misses the mark and has tainted the series for a lot of people because of the poor launch.Halo 5 has the best multiplayer of the series, I'd argue it's still the best arena shooter in its field.
I absolutely disagree, it has the worst multuplayer in the series and has hurt the series more than any other game in the franchise, it's made me extremely wary of halo infinite and the halo franchise in general. I don't have faith in 343 because of it. The worst part is that I enjoyed halo 5 in the beta but they changed the aiming and killed it for me after that.Halo 5 has the best multiplayer of the series, I'd argue it's still the best arena shooter in its field.
Just as many would disagree with you. Halo 5 is a decisive game in the franchise.I disagree. I think it hit the mark quite well and a lot of people would agree.
I disagree. I think it hit the mark quite well and a lot of people would agree.It barely misses the mark and has tainted the series for a lot of people because of the poor launch.
I don't, and that question is massively underspecified (how long do they subscribe for?), but I think it's important to remember how this argument started. I stated that the value of a retail sale is higher to Microsoft than the value of a download from a subscriber. A download is not equivalent to a subscription. If I become a long term subscriber to Game Pass because of Gears 5 then yes, there is big value there, but that will be the case for a small minority of those that download via gamepass.
the value of a retail sale is higher to Microsoft than the value of a download from a subscriber
This should not be a controversial statement. I feel like you're either drastically misunderstanding me, or drastically misunderstanding how these subscription systems make money and derive value from downloads. As I've said several times before, none of what I'm saying is a knock against game pass - I like game pass and am optimistic about its future (if wary of how the industry might be affected) - but it's important to understand how the model makes money.
I don't agree at all, my opinion here isn't an unpopular one.It barely misses the mark and has tainted the series for a lot of people because of the poor launch.
No, but it does mean that it was widely received as a good halo game. It didn't have nearly as much criticism as Halo 4 and it's MP is "known" for being good.It doesn't mean it's a good multiplayer game. you can still find matches in pretty much every halo game.
Halo 5 had a bad launch?It barely misses the mark and has tainted the series for a lot of people because of the poor launch.
I'm not gona argue with your opinion or tastes, for me I love it. I played some quite recently in ranked and it still holds up like nothing else for me personally.I absolutely disagree, it has the worst multuplayer in the series and has hurt the series more than any other game in the franchise, it's made me extremely wary of halo infinite and the halo franchise in general. I don't have faith in 343 because of it. The worst part is that I enjoyed halo 5 in the beta but they changed the aiming and killed it for me after that.
Just as many would disagree with you. Halo 5 is a decisive game in the franchise.
I mean now yes I can see that, but launch basically went the same way as Halo 4 in my eyes and the game needed to be patched a bunch and content needed to be put out just so it was at least enjoyable to play. The two halo games 343 has made so far were just like destiny and needed to sit a year or two before they got good.I disagree. I think it hit the mark quite well and a lot of people would agree.
I.... Don't remember this at all. Yes BTB wasn't there at launch and released a few months later, but Arena and Warzone were great at launch.I mean now yes I can see that, but launch basically went the same way as Halo 4 in my eyes and the game needed to be patched a bunch and content needed to be put out just so it was at least enjoyable to play. The two halo games 343 has made so far were just like destiny and needed to sit a year or two before they got good.
I get what you're saying, though we'll have to agree to disagree on the matter haha. I really enjoyed Halo 5's MP at launch, and the updates only made it better.I mean now yes I can see that, but launch basically went the same way as Halo 4 in my eyes and the game needed to be patched a bunch and content needed to be put out just so it was at least enjoyable to play. The two halo games 343 has made so far were just like destiny and needed to sit a year or two before they got good.
It was as badly recieved as Halo 4, The thing is none of 343's games have lived up to previous halo's before they took over. Halo Infinite is basically the big chance they have but there's no guarentee it's going to be a huge hit.
The main difference I see from gears to halo anymore is gears 4 was still a pretty good foundation which gears 5 took, Halo 5 to me is a poor foundation that halo infinite has, heck one of the most fundamental parts of the game the aiming is something that has turned me off of the game and I hope it's better in infinite I just won't know till i play it.
I don't believe that at all, Reach never did damage to the halo franchise that 5 has done, 5 turned so many people that I know off of halo because of how bad it was.As bad as 4 was and 5 (although I felt 343i found their footing more with 5, it's just that wack ass story and Locke that ruined it), no Halo game has been as bad as Reach.
Reach was so bad and it damaged the IP to the point where 4 & 5 (to a lesser extent) were still paying for its sins.
This. Gamepass represents RECURRING revenue which is more advantageous than single sales. Ignore xbox live gold. Gamepass at $10 a month over the course of a year is $120. So $120 a year per person or two games a year. So one person on game pass for 5 years averages them the same revenue as someone who buys ten games. That's worth more than single sales.I think it's safe to say that Microsoft would prefer a Game Pass sub over a game sale.
Huh? 5 was a a very good game and a big improvement over 4.I don't believe that at all, Reach never did damage to the halo franchise that 5 has done, 5 turned so many people that I know off of halo because of how bad it was.
It was as badly recieved as Halo 4, The thing is none of 343's games have lived up to previous halo's before they took over. Halo Infinite is basically the big chance they have but there's no guarentee it's going to be a huge hit.
The main difference I see from gears to halo anymore is gears 4 was still a pretty good foundation which gears 5 took, Halo 5 to me is a poor foundation that halo infinite has, heck one of the most fundamental parts of the game the aiming is something that has turned me off of the game and I hope it's better in infinite I just won't know till i play it.
The amount of people who are trying to make this seem like a bad thing is wild.
They will. The model of hooking customers to a monthly service with an initial great deal has proven to be effective af.
You got any links? would love to read up on what other sites are saying. :)
Why do I need to source something that is common sense? These kind of trial subscriptions aren't some kind of new-fangled invention which we have no understanding of. Someone willing to pay £1 to try something for a month or £2 for two months is relatively unlikely to spend £10.99/mo long term thereafter. Some will, but most will not. It doesn't make it a bad ploy from Microsoft's point of view by any means, as they get a bit of money from people that would likely have ignored Gears 5 entirely otherwise, and some will stick, but based on the long history of these kind of deals, and based anecdotally on the people I know, most people will not stick with it. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Microsoft were content with turning 20% or less of their triallists into long term subscribers.
Let's see for how long. I mean the game is one of MS biggest franchises and playable for 1€.
Firstly, common sense should tell you that there's a reason why these type of deals are very popular and prevalent. It worked for Apple Music. It'll work for Apple TV+. It works for Amazon Kindle Unlimited. Works for Audible.
Actually, going by anecdotal evidence, the general impression here on Era is that Gamepass is a pretty solid deal
and the service has lots of great games, with excellent titles added monthly.
While - from reading what you usually post - I have no doubt that several of your acquaintances will not renew, I'm certain that retention figures for folks trialing out the subscription will be quite good and not the 'small minority' you allege.
You are living in some bizarro world. Reach absolutely damaged Halo and then 4 killed it. Mcc gave us a glimmer of hope but it was broken. I had no excitement for 5 and neither did my group who gave up on Halo but it actually was alright. Equal starts, better launch maps than the previous two games, a pretty good weapon sandbox that actually made Ar starts not ass.I don't believe that at all, Reach never did damage to the halo franchise that 5 has done, 5 turned so many people that I know off of halo because of how bad it was.
Has this been mentioned? Gears 5 ultimate edition has disappeared from the most played list and now there's only the standard edition at #8.
Borderlands 3 will surpass both for short term. Next season fortnite takes 1st again
This guy knows.
In the UK right now it is:
Borderlands 3
Fortnite
GTA V
Minecraft
Fifa 19
Borderlands 3 will surpass both for short term. Next season fortnite takes 1st again
Doubt it will in the US, CoD and RDR2 didnt stop Fortnite. Gears had Gamepass, Borderlands doesn't.
Edit: Looks like Im wrong just checked the US numbers lol. I knew Borderlands was big but not THAT big.
This guy knows.
In the UK right now it is:
Borderlands 3
Fortnite
GTA V
Minecraft
Fifa 19
Lots of people of underestimate Borderlands. Maybe Fortnite is just losing some steam(temporarily) too.
This doesn't make sense, Fortnite dominates PS4 store as well right? So how can you glean the status of quality of a store from Gears (quality game) overtaking it.