Forza Horizon 4 PC Performance Thread

SmartWaffles · Sep 27, 2018

Developer: Playground Games/Turn 10 Studios
Publisher: Microsoft Studios
Release Date: September 28th, 2018 (Ultimate Edition) / October 2nd
Platform: Windows 10

System Requirements

Drivers

GeForce Game Ready Driver 399.24 (newest is 411.70 but PG recommends this one)
Radeon Software Adrenalin Edition 18.9.3

Graphics Settings

PC Settings Guide courtesy of wonderful Dictator at Digital Foundry

Benchmarks

Computerbase.de
Pcgameshardware.de

Known Issues

Game will crash to desktop if Riva Tuner Statistics Server is running.
Forcing Anisotropic Filtering in Nvidia control panel will stop AF from working all together.
Some sound related issues fixes
Using 'Dolby Atmos for Headphones' causes the game to crash during the intro videos. Right-clicking the Sound icon on the taskbar and setting 'Spatial Sound' to 'Off' stops the crashing. (SunBroDave)

qatak · Sep 27, 2018

Horizon 3 was a nightmare at launch on PC, but now I'm playing it at near-Ultra and getting 4K 60fps. Hopefully I can get close to that, even if I have to go down to 1440p!

Lant_War · Sep 27, 2018

The demo runs at around 20FPS on my ultra low end, piece of trash laptop. Consider me impressed.

Vipu · Sep 27, 2018

SmartWaffles said:
Game will crash to desktop if Riva Tuner Statistics Server is running.

Weird that I dont have this problem, it only crashes if I try to take screenshot with msi afterburner.

D65 · Sep 27, 2018

This game runs a lot better than 3 it's incredible

Deleted member 44371 · Sep 27, 2018

Ugh I wanna play this already

Vex · Sep 27, 2018

marzoo said:
Ugh I wanna play this already

sigh. me too.

Serious Sam · Sep 27, 2018

Pro tip: to fix vegetation shimmering/aliasing force Transparency Antialiasing in Nvidia Control Panel for FH4 game profile. It's a bit demanding but if your hardware is good enough picture quality bump is totally worth it!

Also high end PC users who run at 8xMSAA and 8x Transparency AA might want to disable FXAA because it becomes redundant and just blurs the image.

Poison Jam · Sep 27, 2018

Any difference in the full game compared to the demo?

DrFunk · Sep 27, 2018

So ready. Curious to see how it runs on my 7700K w/ vanilla 1080.

Ramathevoice · Sep 27, 2018

Subbed!

Crosspost from the demo thread:

Ramathevoice said:
Anyone else seeing weird white dots appearing for a single frame on the character models in cutscenes?

I've seen threads about it on the Nvidia and Forza forums but no solution has been found as of yet. Wondering how prevalent this is.

For me they only started to appear in the FH4 demo after my GPU OC, but reverting didn't make them go away, and they're only in this demo, nowhere else, so I don't think this is hardware-related.

Others have in the thread have seen it too. Anyone experience this in the full game?

I'm also going to echo the recommendation to use transparency AA, the bump in IQ is really worth it.

Gambit61 · Sep 27, 2018

Anyone tried using a wheel on this?

SmartWaffles · Sep 27, 2018

If you remove an audio device (like plugging out a headphone) during start up the game will also crash to desktop lol.

PERK7NZ · Sep 27, 2018

Gambit61 said:
Anyone tried using a wheel on this?

Me it's not the best, but defo playable

Dave_6 · Sep 27, 2018

My PC with a 7700K + 1080ti (neither overclocked) surprised me and ran the demo at 4K and a locked 60 fps on my OLED. Other than one or two settings, it is maxed out. I may try the 8x transparency AA tonight and see how it affects it.

Serious Sam · Sep 27, 2018

Dave_6 said:
My PC with a 7700K + 1080ti (neither overclocked) surprised me and ran the demo at 4K and a locked 60 fps on my OLED. Other than one or two settings, it is maxed out. I may try the 8x transparency AA tonight and see how it affects it.

Don't think a 1080Ti can do 4K 60 with 8x transparency AA, but 4x might work.

shadowhaxor · Sep 27, 2018

Definitely runs better than FH3. I've been playing my review copy exclusively on PC. So far I've managed to do 4K with either medium settings or 4K using high and medium manual settings. This includes MSAA x4.

Ryzen 7 1700
EVGA GTX 1080

Color me super impressed.

SmartWaffles said:
If you remove an audio device (like plugging out a headphone) during start up the game will also crash to desktop lol.

I noticed that if I left my controller die, the game would eventually close out.

WildWayz · Sep 27, 2018

Arrghh few hours until midnight here!!!

inner-G · Sep 27, 2018

DrFunk said:
So ready. Curious to see how it runs on my 7700K w/ vanilla 1080.

My 1080 does 4k/60 in the demo if I put the settings to 'high' then put SSAO on low and make sure MSAA is at 2X

I'm also forcing 4X Transparency AA thru the nvidia control panel

This is on a 3.6ghz x3470 (Lynnfield!) CPU, so your 7700k will rip through it. You'll be GPU limited.

DrFunk · Sep 27, 2018

inner-G said:
My 1080 does 4k/60 in the demo if I put the settings to 'high' then put SSAO on low and make sure MSAA is at 2X

I'm also forcing 4X Transparency AA thru the nvidia control panel

This is on a 3.6ghz x3470 (Lynnfield!) CPU, so your 7700k will rip through it. You'll be GPU limited.

Awesome. Thanks for your input

Atolm · Sep 27, 2018

Dave_6 said:
My PC with a 7700K + 1080ti (neither overclocked) surprised me and ran the demo at 4K and a locked 60 fps on my OLED. Other than one or two settings, it is maxed out. I may try the 8x transparency AA tonight and see how it affects it.

Be wary, transparency AA can be extremely demanding, Dirt Rally has it and basically it cuts framerate in half.

I wanna hear impressions from the vanilla 1080 buddies. I"ve been toying around with Horizon 3 settings these past few days and found that with anything past 1440p 4xMSAA you can have dips during a few frames dumping into other cars and the like, I assume it's more cpu related because it doesn't matter if I use 1800p 4xMSAA, 1440p 8x...

Theorry · Sep 27, 2018

Benchmark tests from pcgameshardware.de
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Forza...za-Horizon-4-Technik-Test-Benchmarks-1265758/

SliChillax · Sep 27, 2018

Having a 980ti, I wish this game had resolution scaling so I could set the native res to 4K then scale it down to 1440p so I could play it in HDR. HDR only works in 4K and I'd rather not play at 30fps.

Slimboy Fat · Sep 27, 2018

So 4GB Vram and GTX 1060 3GB recommended, which is it?

FH3 had Vram stuttering for me and I'm using the GTX 3GB

shadowhaxor · Sep 27, 2018

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Atolm said:
Be wary, transparency AA can be extremely demanding, Dirt Rally has it and basically it cuts framerate in half.

I wanna hear impressions from the vanilla 1080 buddies. I"ve been toying around with Horizon 3 settings these past few days and found that with anything past 1440p 4xMSAA you can have dips during a few frames dumping into other cars and the like, I assume it's more cpu related.

I've been uploading gameplay at 4K on an 1080. Since it's the only PC connected to a 4K LCD, it's all I've used for testing.

If there's something anyone wants me to check out / try, let me know.

Check out the snow in the first video at the 4:36 min marker.

shadowhaxor · Sep 27, 2018

More videos

Vipu · Sep 27, 2018

How do you make this game TRUE fullscreen?
If you move mouse to bottom or top of the screen taskbar or topbar pops up and OBS doesnt detect the game because it doesnt count it as fullscreen?

shadowhaxor · Sep 27, 2018

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Vipu said:
How do you make this game TRUE fullscreen?
If you move mouse to bottom or top of the screen taskbar or topbar pops up and OBS doesnt detect the game because it doesnt count it as fullscreen?

For me, I'm using a two PC setup most of the time. But for single PC recording, I use shadowplay instead of OBS. It still has issues with UWP games at times.Or just record the screen instead of the game.

inner-G · Sep 27, 2018

Vipu said:
How do you make this game TRUE fullscreen?
If you move mouse to bottom or top of the screen taskbar or topbar pops up and OBS doesnt detect the game because it doesnt count it as fullscreen?

I believe that all UWP games run as borderless fullscreen

Deleted member 12317 · Sep 27, 2018

I found a fix for the ugly grass texture LOD : do NO force 16x AF in the drivers.

If the 16x AF is forced in the drivers, the game will weirdly totally ignore it and its own AF setting on the grass, resulting in a blurry texture.

You can still force AF globally in the driver but you have to add an exception on Forza Horizon 4 to "Application controlled".

I don't know if you need the game to recompile the shaders, but if so, just delete the game data from Windows' Apps management, no need to reinstall a driver. The game will then redownload the saves and recompile the shaders.

Atolm · Sep 27, 2018

Slimboy Fat said:
So 4GB Vram and GTX 1060 3GB recommended, which is it?

FH3 had Vram stuttering for me and I'm using the GTX 3GB

Usage seems to be higher than 3GB from the DF vid.

Vipu · Sep 27, 2018

shadowhaxor said:
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For me, I'm using a two PC setup most of the time. But for single PC recording, I use shadowplay instead of OBS. It still has issues with UWP games at times.Or just record the screen instead of the game.

Thanks, I actually never thought about screen capture was even possible but it was under different thing, guess everything should work now.

DrFunk · Sep 27, 2018

New nvidia drivers just dropped - 411.70

Zelda · Sep 27, 2018

Has the anisotropic filtering been fixed for the final PC release? Grass and other textures in the distance in the PC demo were atrocious even on the highest settings, worse than even the base XB1.
Make sure to view in full resolution.

Qassim · Sep 27, 2018

So it has launched now in the UK. The sound devices bug is still there, can't launch the game with my external speakers enabled, meaning I have to use headphones. I was hoping this would have been fixed in the launch version.. quite disappointing.

Edit: found a USB adapter I can use to work around (the issue is speakers connected directly to the motherboard's sound I/O). Not great, but it'll do for now.

Deleted member 12317 · Sep 27, 2018

Zelda said:
Has the anisotropic filtering been fixed for the final PC release? Grass and other textures in the distance in the PC demo were atrocious even on the highest settings, worse than even the base XB1.
Make sure to view in full resolution.

Check my post #30, in fact if you don't force 16x AF in the drivers, it's perfectly fine.

I tested this in the demo and the game (could launch it an hour ago).

shadowhaxor · Sep 27, 2018

I think the new Nvidia drivers may have provided a little boost in my FPS. Ever so slight.

Samaritan · Sep 27, 2018

Any word on what time the Ultimate Edition will unlock for North America?

TylerDurden4321 · Sep 27, 2018

Zelda said:
Has the anisotropic filtering been fixed for the final PC release? Grass and other textures in the distance in the PC demo were atrocious even on the highest settings, worse than even the base XB1.
Make sure to view in full resolution.

I have not played the game or demo, but just saw the Digital Foundry settings video and they mentioned a bug where, when you decrease the AF, it won't go up again when you try to go back to a higher setting. They recommended the Ultra AF setting for all PCs and never touchng it again.The performance difference was super minimal.

Linus815 · Sep 27, 2018

So I have a really weird issue: playing on a ks8000. If I set 3840x2160, HDR doesnt work. If I set any other resolution, including 4096x2160, HDR works fine.

Jijidasu · Sep 27, 2018

Is there any way to apply reshade to this game? As far as I know it was not possible in FH3 due to how the game is installed and hidden away in the dark anus of Windows 10.

leng jai · Sep 27, 2018

Since I don't have a 4K display I've settled for 1080p with 8xMSAA 4x Transparency AA. Looks very nice and still locked 60 at max settings on a 1070.

Talus · Sep 27, 2018

Zelda said:
Has the anisotropic filtering been fixed for the final PC release? Grass and other textures in the distance in the PC demo were atrocious even on the highest settings, worse than even the base XB1.
Make sure to view in full resolution.

Here's a shot of mine from the demo on PC.

I have no problems with AF, or LODs. They are exactly as the X1X.

potatohead · Sep 27, 2018

I never understand why anyone doesn't choose max AF ever.

The performance impact is near negligible in almost all games.

ss_lemonade · Sep 27, 2018

Linus815 said:
So I have a really weird issue: playing on a ks8000. If I set 3840x2160, HDR doesnt work. If I set any other resolution, including 4096x2160, HDR works fine.

Does Windows activate HDR just fine? HDR works just fine for me on my KS9000, though I find it weird how the HDR brightness sliders require me to lower them down a bit to match the instructions (lower sliders until the logo disappears), but after running the benchmark, my screen flickers and the sliders revert back to defaults, which all of a sudden work well.

Linus815 · Sep 27, 2018

Lol hdr is so fucked for me. On restart it finally allowed HDR on my native res. Then during a cutscene the whole screen got insanely washed out and stayed like that until i restarted the game.

Atraveller · Sep 27, 2018

I'm kind of mad that I bought the ultimate edition to play early yet the audio doesn't even fucking work.

Linus815 · Sep 27, 2018

georaldc said:
Does Windows activate HDR just fine? HDR works just fine for me on my KS9000, though I find it weird how the HDR brightness sliders require me to lower them down a bit to match the instructions (lower sliders until the logo disappears), but after running the benchmark, my screen flickers and the sliders revert back to defaults, which all of a sudden work well.

Yeah, I have HDR on in windows. I checked Tomb Raider and it works perfectly fine there.
I did find a workaround I believe - setting my desktop to non native res (1080p) and now the game does HDR in 3840x2160 perfectly fine, without randomly going full washed out mode.
Weird.

Afro · Sep 27, 2018

leng jai said:
Since I don't have a 4K display I've settled for 1080p with 8xMSAA 4x Transparency AA. Looks very nice and still locked 60 at max settings on a 1070.

It's usually better to use in-game MSAA over DSR, right? Is there a reason you use 8xMSAA over 1440p DSR? Thx.

Ste · Sep 27, 2018

The digital foundry video is absolutely fantastic. So much information presented excellently

I need to find a way of getting my sim rig to do as close to 144hz as possible my i5 7400 is topping out at around 100 fps on the lowest settings using 16GB ram and a 1070 at 3840x1080.

I'm going to try the benchmark after work at lower resolution settings to see if it can do close to 144hz but its looking like I'm going to need to upgrade both cpu and gpu to achieve 144hz at ultra.

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