Found this great Twitter thread about how Michael Jackson was innocent

[uncelestial]

Start here: https://twitter.com/mjjlegion/status/874793293464432640?lang=en

The introductory four tweets:





That third tweet with the recording of the boy's father is really something...

I have never felt that Michael, who was so awkward in most conversations, and who became so convincingly animated and pointed when denying the allegations, was lying when he talked about this...

Anyway, clearly controversial and clearly this is an MJ fan compiling all the evidence, but it's really well done. What do you think?

If I can please ask you to read the thread (it's all tweets it won't take too long) before commenting, I'd like there to be more critical discussion than hot takes.

 

[BossAttack]

I mean this has been known for a while, there was also a pretty good article that broke down how bogus the claims were.

 

[Deleted member 11093]

All these false pedophilia accusations, the media labeling him Wacko Jacko and the people who accused him of lying about suffering from vitiligo.

How could anyone ever overcome that? No wonder his mental health was a wreck in his last few years. This fucking cruel world killed him.

 

[zon]

I never believed it when I was old enough to read/understand the whole debacle.

It's been years since I read anything about it, but didn't the trial take place in civil court?

 

[Metallix87]

All these false pedophilia accusations, the media labeling him Wacko Jacko and the people who accused him of lying about suffering from vitiligo.

How could anyone ever overcome that? No wonder his mental health was a wreck in his last few years. This fucking cruel world killed him.

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Yep. People literally demonized him for years to the point that he needed drugs to sleep and stay sane. It's fucked what happened to Michael Jackson. He was murdered by the media and false accusers.

 

[DeliciousSunnyD!]

I've always felt that MJ was just a guy who truly loved, in a non exploitative/abusive/manipulative way, children and childlike innocence in a genuine, heartfelt manner.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

I was too young at the time to really understand, and things like the South Park episode influencing me and I'm sure millions of others at the time didn't help. It's a shame that it seems to have been a real actual witch hunt.

 

[Metallix87]

I was too young at the time to really understand, and things like the South Park episode influencing me and I'm sure millions of others at the time didn't help. It's a shame that it seems to have been a real actual witch hunt.

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Didn't the South Park episode portray him as misunderstood and a victim of demonization? I remember the episode being on his side.

 

[hydrophilic attack]

the general public, as always, was ready to immediately assume the black man is guilty

 

[Moosichu]

Yep. People literally demonized him for years to the point that he needed drugs to sleep and stay sane. It's fucked what happened to Michael Jackson. He was murdered by the media and false accusers.

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His entire life is heart breaking.

 

[Deleted member 5666]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

 

[WhateverItTakes]

I've always felt that MJ was just a guy who truly loved, in a non exploitative/abusive/manipulative way, children and childlike innocence in a genuine, heartfelt manner.

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That's my feeling as well. He was inappropriate at times for sure, but he had such a fucked time growing up I think he wasn't capable of recognising that.

 

[Snake Eater]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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licensing his music likely isn't cheap

 

[uncelestial]

His entire life is heart breaking.

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It really is. It's hard not to feel for him in this moment that a juror from the 2005 trial recalls:

The jury delivered the verdict in California Superior Court on their seventh day of deliberations. Coccoz revealed she will never forget Jackson's reaction.

"I remember looking and I could see that there was a tear running down his face…we were all very emotional. It was a very emotional moment," she revealed.

And while the courtroom drama came to an end, Coccoz believed the trial haunted Jackson since then. The singer passed away at age 50 in 2009 from cardiac arrest.

"[It] painted a picture of him being this monster when he spent all his life trying to do good things for children, that had to have just crushed him," she said. "I know it would have crushed me. To rob him of the joy of what he worked so hard (for) in his life was just so, so wrong. I can only imagine for him, that was probably the reason why he had a hard time with finding that spark again. I imagine that spark was just taken away."

Coccoz added that if the trial were today, she would still stand by her not guilty verdict based on the evidence presented to the jury.

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[Metallix87]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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I'm sorry, but this has not been my experience at all. I work in education, and still listen to the radio once in a while. I still hear his music very regularly. The kids all know him and his music, and they're seven or eight years old. Heck, one of his songs was the driving force behind the theme of Lego Batman last year, one of the biggest animated films of the year.

It really is. It's hard not to feel for him in this moment that a juror from the 2005 trial recalls:

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Damn, my heart is literally breaking reading that. Fuck.

 

[Deleted member 11157]

I mean this has been known for a while, there was also a pretty good article that broke down how bogus the claims were.

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Yup. Dude was/is innocent. But he looks different and is a male that likes being around kids, so let's get 'em!

 

[TheSkullPrince]

Poor MJ :(

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I'm sorry, but this has not been my experience at all. I work in education, and still listen to the radio once in a while. I still hear his music very regularly. The kids all know him and his music, and they're seven or eight years old. Heck, one of his songs was the driving force behind the theme of Lego Batman last year, one of the biggest animated films of the year.

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Yeah, I hear his music on the radio pretty regularly still. Bad was also used in the Angry Birds ads whenever that movie came out.

 

[night814]

I was always with MJ, he was weird and crazy at times but never a bad guy.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

Didn't the South Park episode portray him as misunderstood and a victim of demonization? I remember the episode being on his side.

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Sort of, butI mean...

 

[DeliciousSunnyD!]

That's my feeling as well. He was inappropriate at times for sure, but he had such a fucked time growing up I think he wasn't capable of recognising that.

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I think his youth and development is exactly why he was both fascinated with and loved children/childhood/innocence, and also exactly why he was either incapable of perceiving how it looked to the average person or that he didn't care how other people perceived this aspect of him.

 

[papercan]

His life story is heartbreaking.
He was too susceptible to evil people and media that once people realised how innocent and easy it was to steal money from him it was already over.
The worst part is knowing how he was portrayed and treated by so many in his final years and knowing deep down what kind of person he truly was.

 

[PeakPointMatrix]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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One of the highest grossing animated movies of all time, Despicable Me 3 had it in the opening. So did Angry Birds. So did the Batman Lego Movie.

 

[WascallyWabbit]

there was a big expose on his shady ass doctor that tied him to all these false accusations as well, shit was messed up.

 

[Metallix87]

Sort of, butI mean...

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I mean, the first one of those is a literal nightmare showing how people are imagining things that aren't there.

 

[Deleted member 18161]

I grew up idolising MJ but didn't one of the kids accurately identify a mark on Jackson's penis? That's pretty damning to me even if he was just naked around the kid that's still extremely creepy behaviour.

 

[AztecComplex]

Whatever happened to tweetlonger? I hate digging through a thread made out of 20 short tweets.

 

[Deleted member 11093]

I mean, the first one of those is a literal nightmare showing how people are imagining things that aren't there.

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Yeah I always felt the Trey and Parker took a neutral stand there, but I still think that they went too hard on him, then again.. it is South Park.

 

[DJ Lushious]

the people who accused him of lying about suffering from vitiligo.

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Which is obscene. I have vitiligo, but I'm Caucasian, so I'm "lucky" in that only shows when I am sun tanned (or, at least, been regularly exposed to the sun). I 100% empathize with anyone who has more melanin in their skin than I do and suffer from the same condition.

Michael's attempt to remedy the condition caused far more harm than good, in hindsight, but to be in his shoes as a global icon? I can't necessarily fault him.

* Fun fact: this was posted 3 miles away from his birthplace and childhood home.

 

[SweetVermouth]

It's absolutely insane what the media did to him and the fact that false claims have been repeated so often a lot of people actually believe it to the point where when you question it they think you are insane. Like there are still people out there who believe he didn't have vitiligo, even thought there are dozens of pictures AND his official autopsy report states he had it. And they spread rumors how he didn't want to be black and all this nonsense...

 

[Deleted member 2145]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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[BossAttack]

I grew up idolising MJ but didn't one of the kids accurately identify a mark on Jackson's penis? That's pretty damning to me even if he was just naked around the kid that's still extremely creepy behaviour.

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Did you even read the OP? FFS.

 

[Deleted member 36054]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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Um what?? Where do you live???

 

[Steve9842017]

I grew up idolising MJ but didn't one of the kids accurately identify a mark on Jackson's penis? That's pretty damning to me even if he was just naked around the kid that's still extremely creepy behaviour.

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Come on. This is exactly why the rumors are taken as fact whenever someone mentions MJ. Read the Twitter thread.

 

[Kasey]

I've always leaned towards innocence. Dude was just a deeply damaged person who preferred to hang out with children. It's easy for anyone to look at his behavior and assume the worse.

 

[Just_a_Mouse]

Michael Jackson was murdered by tabloid media. I couldn't imagine how awful it must have been to live with the 24/7 negative coverage and false accusations he suffered.

 

[wenis]

I didn't know much growing up about the case, but now as an adult? he's innocent, weird, but innocent. the media killed him and i still get into heated debates about his innocence.

 

[SweetVermouth]

Can I just drop this here?

 

[Deleted member 18161]

Come on. This is exactly why the rumors are taken as fact whenever someone mentions MJ. Read the Twitter thread.

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I've not got the time at the moment to read through the whole thing but I've book marked it for later.

Is there a particular part that refutes the point I made. I would be pleased if there was because that single point was the only reason I believe the allegations to be true against MJ.

 

[SolidSnakex]

What I find really odd is how his music sort of just disappeared after he died. You never hear it in movies or on tv or well....anywhere. New generations will come and go and not be exposed to him at all.

It's odd because Prince's estate has kept Prince very front and center since he died, you hear his music in movies and tv now.

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Just to add to what others are saying, kids are still fully aware of who he is



I really don't think there will ever be a time where MJ is forgotten. His music really doesn't age like a lot of other artists, so I don't see it getting to a point where younger people don't want to listen to it because it sounds "old".

 

[Deleted member 32374]

I'm going to be completely honest and say that while I had my doubts about Jackson, I never really dug into the history of this before. I read through the twitter thread and the article debunking the while circulated rumor that child porn was found as his house after he died. Wow. This guy lived very few days of his life without the media hounding him.

 

[Otherist]

Damn, I was never particularly swayed by the allegations, but all of this evidence is total news to me. Literally never even heard of any of it before, I had no idea there was so much blatant evidence for it all being bullshit. This is crazy.

 

[Deleted member 32374]

I've not got the time at the moment to read through the whole thing but I've book marked it for later.

Is there a particular part that refutes the point I made. I would be pleased if there was because that single point was the only reason I believe the allegations to be true against MJ.

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Yes there is. No mark was found during his autopsy.

 

[AlexCampy89]

Innocent until proven guilty

Always, no exception, no public opinion should be allowed to be a verdict . Never.

 

[Deleted member 18568]

Opportunists and tabloid media killed him. This is why the court of public opinion argument you see recently is incredibly dangerous.

Now imagine if this had played out in the era of viral outrage machines like Twitter.

We'd be 60 pages in here before anyone would even dare to ask logical questions like, evidence.

 

[Red Cadet 015]

I think his youth and development is exactly why he was both fascinated with and loved children/childhood/innocence, and also exactly why he was either incapable of perceiving how it looked to the average person or that he didn't care how other people perceived this aspect of him.

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Yeah, by the time Michael joined his brothers, The Jacksons were already a fairly popular group. He never knew a life outside of the spotlight or outside of being popular. It's amazing he wasn't an asshole. He really wanted to do good things, but couldn't perceive (and had no way of perceiving) how this stuff would look to regular people. If you think about it, most regular people are rather cynical. Neverland Ranch just looks like a place designed to lure in children, and the fact he "slept" with them looked like the smoking gun to regular people.

Opportunists and tabloid media killed him. This is why the court of public opinion argument you see recently is incredibly dangerous.

Now imagine if this had played out in the era of viral outrage machines like Twitter.

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Oh dear God.

 

[SweetVermouth]

Innocent until proven guilty

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In MJ's case it was more like:

Guilty until proven innocent and if proven innocent still guilty!

 

[Lurkyseas]

the general public, as always, was ready to immediately assume the black man is guilty

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That's one of the very reasons why I secretly hate the US, despite being born here.

 

[Yoshichan]

I miss you, Jackson.

 

[TokyoJoe]

Stranger in Moscow.