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There is a tweet on that; when you get a chance to read the thread, report back. :)
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Found this great Twitter thread about how Michael Jackson was innocent
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This is not only blatantly wrong (200M+ YT views for his last song... released over five years after he died) but also a total thread derail attempt. What's your motive for posting this?
terrible. You see all of these denied allegations throughout pop culture history where the evidence clearly exists against the star... but here... the evidence NEVER existed... just lots of (false) claims with no proof... and he was never able to escape them. All because he was so emotionally damaged that he opened himself up to people (especially kids) looking to help them like he was never helped... which of course is an open invitation for people to exploit and harm him.
this world truly did not deserve him. Lucky we had him for as long as we did. one of the most talented entertainers of all time, on top of being one of the most compassionate individuals ever. thankfully the world has seemingly left his kids alone (though I imagine they go to some lengths to make that happen)
this world truly did not deserve him. Lucky we had him for as long as we did. one of the most talented entertainers of all time, on top of being one of the most compassionate individuals ever. thankfully the world has seemingly left his kids alone (though I imagine they go to some lengths to make that happen)
Yeah, It's really a shame. MJ was innocent and there was no consequence whatsoever for his accusers.
Wow, that kid was like
"Everyone should know who he is...he's the King of Pop!"
For once...a React Video is useful.
Who thought kids don't know him lol.
He was always innocent to me, and I knew it was always about money. Love his music, he was great, and just another attempt at putting an amazing black man down.
I dunno. I've seen enough Jay Leno monologues and heard some KMart sales jokes that suggest otherwise.
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When he was saying he had 2 surgeries in 1993 to Oprah, he could well have been telling the truth. And as far as bleaching his skin, I think he just wore a lot of makeup and avoided the sun with his weird umbrellas and so forth and I believe him when he says "as far as I know there's not even a way to do that." And uh, if you can't really understand why a black man would get animated when talking about the color of his skin, then... I don't know what to say.
I never thought he abused kids, but I do think he put himself in situations that would make people take issue and think he was being inappropriate. Like being in the same bed with other people's kids.
Not sexually, but it's still a boundary I wouldn't be happy if someone crossed with, say, my young niece. He was a weird guy, and I think certain boundaries were either unknown to him, or he just got too excited and wanted to make kids happy. But considering the childhood he had, then the intense media spotlight and scrutiny, anyone would be "weird".
The man's music was phenomenal, it's a real pity he wasn't allowed to be as happy as his music made others.
Not sexually, but it's still a boundary I wouldn't be happy if someone crossed with, say, my young niece. He was a weird guy, and I think certain boundaries were either unknown to him, or he just got too excited and wanted to make kids happy. But considering the childhood he had, then the intense media spotlight and scrutiny, anyone would be "weird".
The man's music was phenomenal, it's a real pity he wasn't allowed to be as happy as his music made others.
I don't the info but they try to invent a story with the son of Ron Newt .they would pay him 200k if told the news Michael Jackson touched his son
He said it in 2003 to Martin Bashir. He got animated LYING about bleaching his skin. He 100% had vitligo and that may very well be what drove him to bleach it for a uniform color, but he very clearly bleached his skin. He was very clearly lying about his nose to Martin as well.
So is your point in this that he abused children because he says he didn't?
I always thought he was innocent. For me, I always thought that because his childhood was stardom and whatnot, he never really got to experience what it was like to be a kid and it caught up to him right into adulthood.
The Stranger Things Season 2 trailer got tons of praise for how well it used Thriller
LOL I'm saying just because he gets animated about something doesnt prove anything.
But in context this is an issue for which there is a lot of evidence he didn't do any of it and he's also animated about his defense. It's not used as proof or evidence on its own
My son is 3 and MJ is his favorite artist. Wonder when I should tell him the bad news.
We see time and time again how the entertainment industry and news media both protects and fails to report actual industry abusers for years. What I'm wondering is why wasn't MJ better protected from false claims and/or what powerful people did he piss off to not be protected?
We see time and time again how the entertainment industry and news media both protects and fails to report actual industry abusers for years. What I'm wondering is why wasn't MJ better protected from false claims and/or what powerful people did he piss off to not be protected?
I thought the big upset, apart from those scathing documentaries/interviews about him and children, came from some books he kept that had paedophilic images/connotations?
The Twitter thread might address it but from what I recall, it was an art book given by a fan which was found in storage and unopened still in its wrapping.
Allegations aside, the fact that MJ, or any of his employees, didn't seem to have any idea of how this stuff could/would affect him blows my mind.
Eccentric rich man spends days, evenings, nights alone with children that aren't his. Perception was always, always going to be a problem.
Eccentric rich man spends days, evenings, nights alone with children that aren't his. Perception was always, always going to be a problem.
I also heard that some pretty horrific stuff was found in his home. It was in some sealed court thing. I thought he was innocent until I heard that.
Edit: I found a source talking about it.
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I think the best argument in MJ's favour is Jimmy Savile.
Savile was a beloved if quirky figure in the UK, who also happened to be a serial child molester who's crimes were hidden and denied during his life, despite being fairly widely suspected. At the time of his death he was still very popular, with 4,000 mourners attending his funeral, and an auction of his possessions raising hundreds of thousands of pounds for charity.
Almost immediately after Savile died, the truth came out. Within a year he went from a national treasure to a national disgrace.
Nothing even remotely similar happened with MJ. It was always money grubbing bullshit.
Savile was a beloved if quirky figure in the UK, who also happened to be a serial child molester who's crimes were hidden and denied during his life, despite being fairly widely suspected. At the time of his death he was still very popular, with 4,000 mourners attending his funeral, and an auction of his possessions raising hundreds of thousands of pounds for charity.
Almost immediately after Savile died, the truth came out. Within a year he went from a national treasure to a national disgrace.
Nothing even remotely similar happened with MJ. It was always money grubbing bullshit.
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That's the same D.A.'s office (Santa Barbara) up to their same nonsense; they were behind both the 1993 and 2005 trials.
The video in the third tweet there covers the "findings" in great detail.
It looks like this is muddier than I thought. What do they get out of knowingly creating lies like this? It is mind-boggling. Now I know to not trust anything I read about this case.
Love how that tabloid switched what's obviously an HD art photo, blurred it slightly, made it black and white and used it as a header.
That's just gross.
Outside of race, you gotta agree that sharing your bed with kids that are not your progeny is very weird. Michael didn't help his cause.
Those tweets are so sad. Can you imagine being so good hearted yet hated? To be completely real, somebody probably should have come to him in the late 80's and told him not to do the whole Neverland thing. It probably would have been futile (especially in the 80's) and somebody probably tried, but I hope somebody did try. Sometimes these stars lose touch with what's really possible. It seems to be a trait of stars from that era.
People that lived through The Beatles and Elvis never thought anyone could become a bigger star/attraction than them. Then MJ went solo and changed the game. He's still the greatest imho. I didn't believe the allegations then and still don't. He obviously had some issues due to his childhood and media scrutiny and nobody was more maligned than he was, yet he continued to make albums and help people/children despite all of it.
He is in a better place now where no one can hurt him. Fuck everyone involved who took advantage of him.
At the time I really thought he was guilty, at least of something. He was too weird not to be guilty. So maybe he did molest a kid then and there, maybe he wasn't a serial abuser but he had pedophiliac tendencies or whatever.
Then, as time went by, I began to read more and more stuff regarding both the 93 and 05 cases and I realized I'd been had. MJ was being exploited by desperate attention-seekers who wanted some piece of the pie at whatever cost necessary. It was all bullshit and the guy had to pay the price because he was "weird" enough to be considered a plausible perpetrator even without actual evidence. Obviously the conspiracy nuts would always play the "HE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY EVERYONE! THE TRIAL WAS RIGGED!" card even when confronted with (lack of) evidence, but that behavior was something that'd seep through the actual general public as well - MJ was "weird" enough, so it was "plausible" that he "might have" done "something".
Now I think MJ was an insanely talented guy who had an unfortunate, really fucked-up childhood and spent pretty much his whole life in the spotlight, preventing him of having an actual "normal" life, robbing him of the chance to develop in an environment free of such an immense pressure and constant scrutiny. His "weirdness" stems from that, and the heartbreaking thing was that instead of it generating empathy for him and trying to work towards a solution to the incredibly screwed-up situations child stars must face (essentially robbing them of their childhoods), it was used as a weapon against him, to turn him into a court jester to be laughed at and humiliated, meat for the huge meat grinder that is media entertainment and the tabloid industry. Fucking vultures.
Then, as time went by, I began to read more and more stuff regarding both the 93 and 05 cases and I realized I'd been had. MJ was being exploited by desperate attention-seekers who wanted some piece of the pie at whatever cost necessary. It was all bullshit and the guy had to pay the price because he was "weird" enough to be considered a plausible perpetrator even without actual evidence. Obviously the conspiracy nuts would always play the "HE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY EVERYONE! THE TRIAL WAS RIGGED!" card even when confronted with (lack of) evidence, but that behavior was something that'd seep through the actual general public as well - MJ was "weird" enough, so it was "plausible" that he "might have" done "something".
Now I think MJ was an insanely talented guy who had an unfortunate, really fucked-up childhood and spent pretty much his whole life in the spotlight, preventing him of having an actual "normal" life, robbing him of the chance to develop in an environment free of such an immense pressure and constant scrutiny. His "weirdness" stems from that, and the heartbreaking thing was that instead of it generating empathy for him and trying to work towards a solution to the incredibly screwed-up situations child stars must face (essentially robbing them of their childhoods), it was used as a weapon against him, to turn him into a court jester to be laughed at and humiliated, meat for the huge meat grinder that is media entertainment and the tabloid industry. Fucking vultures.
Oh man, I love that one kids reaction who stated he didn't like pop because it wasn't real music but then hears Billie Jean and says, "I love Michael Jackson."
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Sad thing about the settlement, as you learn in the Twitter thread, is that MJ's insurance company is the one who settled -- without his consent. Which is perfectly legal for them to do.
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