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Fox News Poll (Rated "A" by 538): Bernie SURGES while Warren PLUMMETS. Biden remains stable.
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The polls still showing Biden on the top of the pile really make me question using the internet as any kind of actual gauge of the country's political opinions.
My impression is that all I see on Twitter is socialism/lean socialism as being presented as the defacto position of people within the democrat party, but in reality, Twitter doesn't necessarily reflect where the masses are. And that makes sense. I have a Twitter account, but none of my parents or extended family do as far as I know.
I cannot honestly say I've seen a single thing in support of Biden on social media, but the polls seem to agree, people are supporting him quietly I guess. Because I definitely expected Warren to be the front runner by now just based on optics (that the DNC nominee cannot be an old white guy).
To be fair, the right that are actually on Twitter are also using it to brand the entire DNC as socialist, so it's kind of hard to tell what's going on.
Usually I would suggest that, "perception is reality", but you know maybe not.
My impression is that all I see on Twitter is socialism/lean socialism as being presented as the defacto position of people within the democrat party, but in reality, Twitter doesn't necessarily reflect where the masses are. And that makes sense. I have a Twitter account, but none of my parents or extended family do as far as I know.
I cannot honestly say I've seen a single thing in support of Biden on social media, but the polls seem to agree, people are supporting him quietly I guess. Because I definitely expected Warren to be the front runner by now just based on optics (that the DNC nominee cannot be an old white guy).
To be fair, the right that are actually on Twitter are also using it to brand the entire DNC as socialist, so it's kind of hard to tell what's going on.
Usually I would suggest that, "perception is reality", but you know maybe not.
It's absolutely absurd to me that the next election is going to be between two ancient idiots who can barely string a coherent sentence together.
🔥 ban single poll threads 🔥
🔥 bring back the all-encompassing primary thread and actually fucking moderate it this time 🔥
🔥 bring back the all-encompassing primary thread and actually fucking moderate it this time 🔥
Chapo put it well on a recent episode - Trump's relentless narcissism means he can just kinda stay focused on himself, so he retains a bit of coherence when he rambles, whereas Biden lacks that anchor and so gets lost.
The debates are going to be absolute hell to watch. Just a bunch of racist grandpa idiocy and complete lack of understanding of the questions being asked.
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Once again, if Biden is the nominee we will lose all that enthusiasm we've been gaining. Yes he probably would beat trump, but not by the landslide we need
Biden is consistent. His position hardly ever changes in these polls. A screw up won't hurt him, and a good debate won't help him. What's going to eventually happen is more and more people are going to drop out and those votes are going to go to Bernie or Warren, and then there will be actual debates that have an effect on Biden's standing. It's at that point he'll actually have to make an effort.
I wonder how much of Biden's support in the polls is still riding on name recognition. "Oh, hey, I know him" responses from people who aren't necessarily following the primary debates/news. Who have probably heard of some of these other candidates, but not enough to really have an opinion about them.
He probably will not beat Trump is the thing.
I made a thread about Sanders hitting a million individual donations a bit ago (fastest to do so in history!) and the Sanders campaign released this figure: "in counties nationwide that flipped from Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016, Sanders has received more than 81,000 donations, which is three times the next Democratic candidate and more than the next three Democratic candidates combined."
Agree with the first one. Disagree on the second. It was incredibly insular and prevented some good discussion from happening.
Absolutely not. I greatly prefer not having every piece of political news punted off into one OT.
I would say most of it is that.
Twitter, r/politics, here, and cable news addicts are still the only people paying attention to this race.
First ballot won't be cast till FEBRUARY
we'll have seen Star Wars episode 9 by then, we'll have a Last of Us 2 release date by then, heck, the Super Bowl is then, and the nfl season just started.
We are pretty far away from the main crowd paying attention
Yeah the single thread made it easier for certain types to gatekeep.
Yup. There was a thread about student loan forgiveness (from Warren) and it was getting some good discussion but once the thread got locked and was forced into the primary thread, the discussion stopped.
This is the problem tho, Bernie fans FUCKING LOVE Bernie, so they are louder, but they don't see that the strategic move is running Warren as the candidate. She has none of the negative stigmas that Bernie does, but she has like 80 percent of the same platform.
And she has more friends in Washington, so I'm sure she'll axtually get half of that stuff done.
Dude, I have two Bernie shirts, literally the only political apparel I have lol, but his chance was 2016. Warren doesn't have that stink of loss he does, and she doesn't have socialism tattooed on her forehead ala 6ix9ine
Absolutely. The only thing we can even say about this bunch of biased polls realistically and fairly (in my own biased opinion) is that Biden is leading them with Sanders and Warren in second.
Kamala is the only one I would say has "plummeted" in any fashion, with an argument for O'Rourke and Buttigieg "plummeting" as well. Again though we're going into my own biased opinions there along with definitions of "plummet" and other nonsense.
So are you just trying to most justify your dislike by insisting he'll obviously lose? It doesn't make any sense. You can dislike him and he can also beat Trump. It just feels like you need it to be true that he'll lose.
But that feeling is based on nothing.
I don't think he's going to beat Trump. The more focus he gets the clearer it's going to become that he's a fucking idiot who's completely unsuited for the role. And unlike Republicans who fall in line all the time, Democrats bail on candidates for a myriad of reasons. With a catastrophic lack of voter enthusiasm and Biden's proven track record of kicking his own teeth out whenever a camera is put in front of him, his support will decay.
as opposed to the current setup, where certain other types who mysteriously keep getting banned for hostility to other users get to gatekeep
But then you need to look at who the second choice is for those Bernie/Warren voters.
There's nothing to support that though. There's literally no data you can point to to argue coherently that an election between Biden and Trump is an obvious win for Trump. At worst it's close in either direction. At best Biden destroys him. The favorability toward democrats now, the results from the midterms, Trump's unfavorables, and on and on all contradict what you're saying. It looks to be completely motivated by a desire to justify your dislike.
Really, REALLY annoying, isn't it? Every poll out there shows Biden utterly decimating Trump overall and in those much needed swing states. Yet lots of Era posters seem to think Trump (who was destroyed in some of these same states in 2018) will spank Biden.
If you really don't think that an entire year of Biden shoving his foot into his mouth every five minutes and embarrassing the party at every possible turn isn't going to damage his support, I don't know what to tell you.
He's popular because he was the VP to an incredibly popular president, but he's completely worthless on his own merits.
The average voter doesn't care. They just want stability and a recognizable name.
It's based on a reinforced echo chamber.
But yeah, the "Biden has no chance against Trump" crowd is a headscratching one divorced from reality.
It's becoming pretty clear it's just a proxy argument for whoever their preferred candidate is. "My pick is obviously better because that other one will 100% definitely lose by a million+1 points!"
It's ok to argue another candidate is less viable but it's not ok to do it when all of the data suggests the opposite and it really sucks when they can't be honest about what they're actually trying to do.
Do you even look at the response to these gaffes in the polling? No one cares except the Twitter bubble.
biden Is a moderate, and I don't think we correct ourselves from going to the far right, by just moving to the center. No, we need to balance, the right keeps pulling us that way, and we need to pull back, not to where they pulled us from, but pull so hard THAT THEYRE THE ONES PONDERING ABOUT RUNNING A CENTRIST.
The center is the result, not the aim, we need to always aim left, because there will always be compromise, and we can't start the compromise already tilted to their side.
The center is the result, not the aim, we need to always aim left, because there will always be compromise, and we can't start the compromise already tilted to their side.
The average voter isn't the problem. The problem is the same morons who bailed on voting for Hillary because she wasn't Bernie Sanders and various other branches of disaffected Democrats deciding not to vote.
This is going to be the least enthusiastic election of all time.
Of the three front runners 2 of them have a base of support built firmly on demographics that show up to vote when it's time to vote and one of them has a base of support built on sand. If any of them were to lose to Trump despite the polls saying otherwise...
Biden's previous failed runs for president show that he'll choke when it matters.
I mean Biden has form choking during Presidential runs so I can see a long damaging campaign hurting his numbers.
Current polls wouldn't necessarily show you that because races change as they're run.
Telling us we're locked into a result based on 2019 numbers seems incredibly Pollyanna to me
Current polls wouldn't necessarily show you that because races change as they're run.
Telling us we're locked into a result based on 2019 numbers seems incredibly Pollyanna to me
Motherfuckers want to waste four years on a guy who just wants to be president because this is the closest he's been to it.
Biden's movement is basically "take us back to the status quo"
Fuck that, that's basically the same as "make America great again"
Could it win? Of course!
Is it what we should do?
Fuck no!
This is our chance to actually have progressive representation, a chance to maybe just maybe root out corruption in congress and fuck, lets have a smart president again.
in which case he'd collapse in the primaries he's currently barely leading, rather than in the general election he'd need to get past a minimum of one competent campaigner to get to
I do miss the primary (polling aggregate) thread, but it still gets discussed in PoliEra I guess.
He choked in an era when gaffes actually mattered. Now Trump is president. People have been desensitized.
I don't like Biden, but there's never been a better time for him to run politically. Unfortunately, there's never been a worse time mentally.
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interesting that they have warren losing ground. bernie surging isn't that crazy, most every poll has him at least stable if not gaining a couple points
interesting that they have warren losing ground. bernie surging isn't that crazy, most every poll has him at least stable if not gaining a couple points
Biden's previous runs failed because he didn't have "VP of most popular democratic president" on his resume.
Not locked in, but historically the person in the lead at this point has a greater than 50% chance of being the nominee.
Sure I can also see him getting by because he just has to perform a little better than Clinton in certain states. A 60-40 chance wouldn't shock me.
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