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Fox pulls scene from 'The Predator' after director casts his pedophile friend in minor role
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You go to your local supermarket to buy $50 worth of groceries. Turns out one of the employees there is a convicted pedophile. Your money just went towards supporting them.
You get an oil change at a car repair shop. Yadda yadda convicted pedophile. Your money just went towards supporting them.
It's pretty dumb that you apparently think that these people, however scummy they may be, be never allowed to work for a living.
She's the female lead of the movie and is a Fox studio actor
Not in the mood for this
No, follow the conversation thread. This is not a reasonable reading of that conversation.
Why would you think that her feelings could be read as "inherently irrational" after her acting rational? That's very different from asking about her prior reputation.
Now, shit like that should get you fired. If Gunn has done that, I'd be 1,000% behind it. Even Black's reason sounds fishy - he was "caught up in a bad situation"?? He plead guilty to trying to lure a 14 year old girl on the internet! How is that anything BUT lecherous???
That's an easy one. Because unfortunately, the entertainment industry to amass game and resources and get themselves into positions of power over others to avoid responsibility/repercussions for their actions, and that's exactly the last kind of position we should be allowing pedophiles to get anywhere close to.
Like, of you don't get it, just look at people like R. Kelly. Everyone knows what he did but due to the power he wields from the entertainment industry he has a huge shield and I'd able to get away with God knows what. Same with creeps like Harvey Weinstein who was able to get away with stuff for far too long because, due to the connections he had and stuff even had people scuttling stories about him at NBC and stuff. Then you have like Bill Cosby as well, who took far too long to take down because of the same thing: who would ever believe that Heathcliff Huxtable could do those things?
He can have jobs, and work, yes, because, everyone needs to. But nothing like the film industry that can easily carry people to fame, success, and positions of power to avoid accountability as that's the last type of thing pedophiles should have. Infinite no's to even risking that.
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sorry, but a victim of sexual assault like olivia munn should have the right to know if the guy she's working with is a sex offender
it's the bare minimum they could have done
Disagree. That post pretty clearly made that comparison. Even whatever way you're trying to 'explain' it doesn't really change that.
Then why not just give him the death penalty and get it over with ?
People in here trying to defend some grown ass man who tried to solicit sex from a 14 year old relative. Do you want to work with someone like that?
I'm not skimming over that part at all.
Last time I checked, in the US, convicted felons who have "paid their debt to society" can go on and live their life as a human being and work jobs that don't actively filter out felony charge holders.
At some point, you either have to accept the concept of rehabilitation, or not. If not, you have to take the argument that this guy should have never been released from prison.
There is no "half rehabilitation/half I'm still going to treat you like a pariah for the rest of your life" option.
What I'm trying to explain is that treating these people would be more helpful and more humane than the unequivocal demonizing this board likes to engage in, however understandable considering the heinous acts these conditions sometimes result in.
Denying them work after they've served their time for instance, what the hell does that achieve?
/edit: on the other hand though... I've had strong feelings with regards to reports you hear about years of abuse by priests for instance. In a way it really is unforgivable. I just think it can't be wrong to at least try to view these people as human.
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Black has shown in the past how much he's all about loyalty to friends and second chances, but in this case it was pretty obviously a bad idea.
Munn was right to call attention to it, but I see there's still some people letting everyone know their reasons for disliking her apropos of nothing.
Munn was right to call attention to it, but I see there's still some people letting everyone know their reasons for disliking her apropos of nothing.
But you can't prevent them from becoming the next R. Kelly. There's plenty of avenues other than Hollywood for getting to a position of power. You can't prevent all of them from reaching some kind of success. Restricting the film industry is completely arbitrary.
Yes. If even this level of oversight isn't attained, how do you ensure a safe environment for your actors and crew?
Fairly sure this directors put his entire career in jeopardy. Studio would have freaked hearing this.
And? He served his time. Should he not be allowed to work in his chosen field as long as it doesn't include unsupervised access to kids? Should he fear being summarily fired by his coworker's demands wherever he goes?
Actually, there is. You may not like it, but as a parent whose job is to protect my children from people like this I do not want these people in any positions of power, and that includes Hollywood which already has issues with predatory behavior towards children. Same deal with serial killers, I don't think Ed Kemper needs to be released back into society even though he's been in prison for 30+ years.
Please respond to my comment that I quoted you on earlier.
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I know you're banned, but there's a distinction between an attraction and attempted rape. As an American adult, he knows having sex with a girl that young is rape. It's a willful predatory crime. Can't blame that on any kind of mental illness.
And comparing it to homosexuality is pretty disgusting.
Yeah this seems like another Robert Downey Jr/Mel Gibson situation. When you come up with a friend you're willing to stick your neck out for them even if its not a great look.
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yeah i feel like trying to rape a 14 year old girl having the repercussions of six months in prison followed by fear that you may struggle to find work because you tried to rape a 14 year old when you were 38 is kind of fair, if not very light punishment
I don't think people who have been punished should be ostracised to the point they can never work again.
But their past should be disclosed if it involves children like this, it should certainly not be hidden by powerful friends so they can sneak in the beach door like nothing happened.
Saying that, this situation involves a man who tried to and would have had sex with a 14 year old child. The fact he got caught before it happened doesn't mean a thing. Unless he's had some profound life changing therapy or something he would probably still do it if he could get away with it, and even then it was a heinous thing he attempted.
Not someone I would personally enjoy working in proximity with, and I think Black's handling of it is terrible and his response talking about his friend being "caught up" in something like it wasn't his fault is a real shitty attempt to spin.
So good his scene was removed, and shame on Black for trying to hide it from the cast and crew.
Exactly.
The guy needs to try to find honest work while disclosing his past and hope he finds something. He should not be given easy let ups by friends who attemp to hide his past for him.
But their past should be disclosed if it involves children like this, it should certainly not be hidden by powerful friends so they can sneak in the beach door like nothing happened.
Saying that, this situation involves a man who tried to and would have had sex with a 14 year old child. The fact he got caught before it happened doesn't mean a thing. Unless he's had some profound life changing therapy or something he would probably still do it if he could get away with it, and even then it was a heinous thing he attempted.
Not someone I would personally enjoy working in proximity with, and I think Black's handling of it is terrible and his response talking about his friend being "caught up" in something like it wasn't his fault is a real shitty attempt to spin.
So good his scene was removed, and shame on Black for trying to hide it from the cast and crew.
Exactly.
The guy needs to try to find honest work while disclosing his past and hope he finds something. He should not be given easy let ups by friends who attemp to hide his past for him.
They should be told. If that makes people uncomfortable, than maybe don't go and try and rape kids.
Shane Black knew it was wrong, that's why he didn't tell anyone about it.
Why was he obligated to? The guy payed for his crimes, he likely sees himself as a new man now.
I'm sure someone is going to come in any time now to post how homosexual actors used to have to hide their identities too.
Yeah, if these people want to come to the table before they offend and get help that's one thing, in that case they should be helped I think but I don't believe pedophilia even if you're looking at it as a mental disorder is marked by someone not knowing right from wrong, these people do know what they are doing is wrong. They have the power to get treatment and therapy, they can undergo chemical castration, they can call the police and tell them "I can't control these urges, I need to be locked up away from kids". Most of them don't do that because they choose to serve themselves and their sick desires at the expense of children. They use grooming tactics, they use guilt to make sure their victims don't tell anyone, they lie, they hide what they are doing.
Why though? If he did his time in prison, he did his time in prison. If victims are to be informed, that means that there must be public sex offender lists for people to look up, and/or force these people to inform future employers (and employees of these places?) and everybody who lives in their area. I know a lot of people thinks that is a great idea though.
Last time you checked you were mistaken then, becuase not only does the US sex offenders registry SORNER require 15 years minimum on the list and he's still on it. His time has not been served.
But regardless, what actual reason is there that there can't be a halfway measure to letting him live his life but without the same freedoms as anyone else? What reason at all?
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he lives in california. where there is a sex offender registry you can search to find the locations of sex offenders in your area.
The big difference here that people aren't making a distinction about is that Munn appearing in a movie next to this person is viewable to a huge public audience. Most people view someone working with another actor as approval of working with that person. She has a right to be upset to be connected to a person she does not want to be connected to. What makes matters worse is that the character hits on her. For a victim like Munn, that is messed up.
RedMercury You are asking for evidence of something that would be private. A person can be rehabilitated without needing to show you what they've been doing for the past eight years.
For the context of the whole thread it would be better if people are using facts in this situation. It doesn't help the argument when someone claims he's raping people, in some cases people positing it as he's presently still actively raping people.
Also just want to say a general wtf that this is happening with a film with that title.
RedMercury You are asking for evidence of something that would be private. A person can be rehabilitated without needing to show you what they've been doing for the past eight years.
For the context of the whole thread it would be better if people are using facts in this situation. It doesn't help the argument when someone claims he's raping people, in some cases people positing it as he's presently still actively raping people.
Also just want to say a general wtf that this is happening with a film with that title.
How could you hire this dude to do this shit, and hes already a known sexual predator. like what.
I completely forgot that the 15 yr rule exists. Fair enough, in that case Black was in the wrong.
He molested a child.
Okay, so just take it on faith he rehabilitated then? I mean if we don't have the evidence. Maybe it would be prudent for the person to share what exactly they have done to change and make sure it never happens again.
I appreciate your response but I really wanted to hear from P-Switch
Munn always has been and always will be Bae.
Same. If he paid his debt to society, then the man can work.
Same. If he paid his debt to society, then the man can work.
People are really confused why Munn would want to know about having to work with an actor that tried to rape a 14 year-old and y'know, is kinda uncomfortable and not cool with that and doesn't want anything to do with that and think she's the crazy and unreasonable one here?
But yet, just last month, just last month, over on gaming side, when major Twitch streamer Ninja said he had no interest in doing any collaborative streams with women (to avoid "drama" he has no problem causing and getting involved in when it involves literally anyone other than he himself and being the cause of the exact thing he claims to hate), most people were giving him their love and support and just going "yeah, that's cool; I get why he wouldn't want to stream with women (instead of, y'know, just not being part of the problem in the first place)."
Women: Lower on the social pole than convicted pedophiles apparently. I knew things were bad for women, but goddamn, when people have more sympathy for pedophiles than women and believe people like Munn should basically be forced to work with pedophiles against their will by just having that information completely withheld from them and made "none of her business" but yet apparently people at the same time were crazy for calling out Ninja's nonsense for what it was for and for him to just get over himself and stop being such a hypocrite and thinking he should just treat women the same way he treats the men he works with?
Just a fascinating difference in tone between these two threads I can't help but observe. Men get to work with whoever they want, or don't want to work with as the case may be, and if that means excluding half the population of the planet, so be it. But women, women! You not comfortable with working with a convicted pedophile? Now, THAT, on the other hand, is purely unreasonable! Just, like, wow.
But yet, just last month, just last month, over on gaming side, when major Twitch streamer Ninja said he had no interest in doing any collaborative streams with women (to avoid "drama" he has no problem causing and getting involved in when it involves literally anyone other than he himself and being the cause of the exact thing he claims to hate), most people were giving him their love and support and just going "yeah, that's cool; I get why he wouldn't want to stream with women (instead of, y'know, just not being part of the problem in the first place)."
Women: Lower on the social pole than convicted pedophiles apparently. I knew things were bad for women, but goddamn, when people have more sympathy for pedophiles than women and believe people like Munn should basically be forced to work with pedophiles against their will by just having that information completely withheld from them and made "none of her business" but yet apparently people at the same time were crazy for calling out Ninja's nonsense for what it was for and for him to just get over himself and stop being such a hypocrite and thinking he should just treat women the same way he treats the men he works with?
Just a fascinating difference in tone between these two threads I can't help but observe. Men get to work with whoever they want, or don't want to work with as the case may be, and if that means excluding half the population of the planet, so be it. But women, women! You not comfortable with working with a convicted pedophile? Now, THAT, on the other hand, is purely unreasonable! Just, like, wow.
Yes, sorry, I meant to ask do you think it's a good thing? Should these lists exist, and for how long are you to be on it, and should you be forced to inform everybody (work, living) about your past?
Like somebody else asked in the thread, why not just get rid of these people if they don't matter anymore.
That's not what it says in the OP. Is there a different case he's involved in?