Oh hey, there goes my plans to see it. Fuck you Shane Black. I was willing to give this a chance because, fuck it, something to see but now...no.
Why is this a problem? Nobody is legally obligated to know that a coworker is a sexual offender.
Do you not understand why he didn't inform people? Because if he did, his friend would have been prevented from being in the film. You know, like exactly what transpired when people found out.
It was 8 years ago and he already admitted his crime and was punished for it. I don't understand everyone's reaction here.
It's called human decency.Why is this a problem? Nobody is legally obligated to know that a coworker is a sexual offender.
Dunno why he didn't just inform the studio. If they reject him you can just say to the guy, 'Hey I tried bruh'.
This is absurd because he's not owed a place in a movie as part of his rehabilitation nor is anyone else obligated to help him out. If Black wants to help out a friend, that's on him and him alone.
Ex cons shouldn't be prohibited from having opportunities, but in our society they're blacklisted from life.
This mostly depends on the crime. There is a reason the worst people in prison will assault and give hell to child molesters and pedophiles. You are equating all the crimes as long as the sentence has been served all is fine. I disagree - pedophiles, child abusers, wife-beaters, rapists should be blacklisted for life.
I agree some crimes are worse than others. But do you believe some pedophiles, wife beaters, rapists, child abusers, murderers are worse than others as well? Is what Kevin Stacey did the same amount of evil in your mind as what Louis C.K. did? Or say a person that murdered 1 person versus a serial killer?
Based on the OP this guy "attempted to lure a 14-year-old female into a sexual relationship via the internet." The word attempted to me would indicate nothing physical actually happened. I'm not disputing that's awful, but is it really something he should never be able to come back from? Is what he did on par with the worst forms of pedophilia?
I'm honestly having a hard time myself with these sorts of questions. I just don't want to immediately throw a human aside like trash especially when they've been rightfully punished for their actions and may be a better person today.
so the director (Shane Black) hired his convicted pedophile friend to do a minor role, and proceeded not to tell anyone involved in the movie about his past
what a fucking dumbass
I just don't get it, why do we have to care so much about shit like this.
Is this guy banned from life or something? You would like him to work as a cashier but not as an actor?
Reading some comments seems like the director is using Nazi gold to produce the film or something.
I don't hate on Munn, ok, she wasn't comfortable and she told the producers, I don't even hate on Fox, it's their fucking movie, they can do whatever they want, but why should we hate Black or his friend?
What would you guys do with this dude? Grab a gun and shoot him it's the only real answer I can imagine reading some comments.
Cause Black was hiding the fact that his friend, who he cast as a harasser with scenes with someone who has been been sexually harassed, was a pedophile, in a movie that also features an 11 year old.but why should we hate Black or his friend?
What would you guys do with this dude? Grab a gun and shoot him it's the only real answer I can imagine reading some comments.
Why do we have to care about a child molester? Okay.I just don't get it, why do we have to care so much about shit like this.
Why are we concerned about a child predator? This is your argument?I just don't get it, why do we have to care so much about shit like this.
Is this guy banned from life or something? You would like him to work as a cashier but not as an actor?
Reading some comments seems like the director is using Nazi gold to produce the film or something.
I don't hate on Munn, ok, she wasn't comfortable and she told the producers, I don't even hate on Fox, it's their fucking movie, they can do whatever they want, but why should we hate Black or his friend?
What would you guys do with this dude? Grab a gun and shoot him it's the only real answer I can imagine reading some comments.
This mostly depends on the crime. There is a reason the worst people in prison will assault and give hell to child molesters and pedophiles. You are equating all the crimes as long as the sentence has been served all is fine. I disagree - pedophiles, child abusers, wife-beaters, rapists should be blacklisted for life.
It's not so much that pedos have a defense force as examining society's view on crime and punishment. I just had this conversation with a buddy the other day, and I have a four year old daughter. People need to be honest about law and criminals and how we treat them and whether or not we want incarceration to be punitive or rehabilitative. Everything and everyone these days seems to operate in absolutes, and it's frustrating. Is there nuance to the severity of how predators should be classified and punished? Should we stop fucking around with the illusion of civility and law and just say, "Yeah, you commit this crime and get this brand - there is no difference. there is no sentence other than life sentencing. They should be killed. Period."Been catching up on the thread, yup everything including pedos has a defence force. Smh
Do you understand how punishment should work as a principle? You do something wrong, you get caught, you admit your guilt, you serve time, you prove on the outside you're a changed person. He presumably did all of those things, for EIGHT YEARS! That should be the end of the punishment. Unfortunately most feel they should be punished forever. Oh, you want to do something, well, were you previously a sex offender? Okay well you can't.
Ex cons shouldn't be prohibited from having opportunities, but in our society they're blacklisted from life.
I agree with your point that no one is owed a place in a movie. That's not what this was. It was a friend trying to help out a friend, a friend who likely hasn't been given any help from society in general in a long time. Giving him a small bit in a dumb movie is a nice gesture.
If you're not okay with this guy working a glorified extra role in a movie, you need to ask yourself, what is this human being worth enough to do?
If we're going to blacklist from society it would be more humane to just make the punishment death.
It is better than forcing people to commit suicide or starve.
It's not so much that pedos have a defense force as examining society's view on crime and punishment. I just had this conversation with a buddy the other day, and I have a four year old daughter. People need to be honest about law and criminals and how we treat them and whether or not we want incarceration to be punitive or rehabilitative. Everything and everyone these days seems to operate in absolutes, and it's frustrating. Is there nuance to the severity of how predators should be classified and punished? Should we stop fucking around with the illusion of civility and law and just say, "Yeah, you commit this crime and get this brand - there is no difference. there is no sentence other than life sentencing. They should be killed. Period."
Because at the end of day, that's what people are really saying. They need to live only under overpasses. Fuck off on jobs. Down the line, they deserve death no matter if they were in jail for 10 days or 10 years.
Do I want a pedo near my child? Absolutely not. That's why you remove their ability to ever be around children. But at one point are we sending them to jail only to come out and be in jail for life, or just changing it all to reflect how most people really feel: kill them.
When did it become not ban-worthy
Two things:
This isn't someone getting tossed in prison for holding a bag of weed or pissing in a public park while drunk, the guy deliberately groomed and sexually assaulted a 14 year old.
He also isn't applying for a job to reintegrated back into society, he's getting a (small) role in a movie, something that most people will never have the opportunity to do.
Personally I don't think child molesters should get that opportunity or be in the entertainment industry at all. There are plenty of other jobs that aren't considered prizes for the average person. It's a black mark on his person but so is mentally and emotionally scarring a child.
And that's not even getting into the problem of trying to hide this from everyone else, especially Olivia Munn.
Pissing in public can get you on the registered sex offender list in many places. And do you have any links showing that he actually assaulted the 14 year old? I've only found stuff talking about attempts to lure them into a relationship, not actually following through with it.
Pissing in public can get you on the registered sex offender list in many places. And do you have any links showing that he actually assaulted the 14 year old? I've only found stuff talking about attempts to lure them into a relationship, not actually following through with it.
I mean... Whether you actually have sexual relations with a child, or you merely intended to and groomed them online - you're still a paedophile. One act is worse than the other and would be punisher further, but even luring children online is worthy of the register.
Pissing in public can get you on the registered sex offender list in many places. And do you have any links showing that he actually assaulted the 14 year old? I've only found stuff talking about attempts to lure them into a relationship, not actually following through with it.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...ck-steven-wilder-striegel-20180906-story.html
People fucking defending this asshole need to understand, this is a person who knew right from wrong and did it anyways. This is a person that groomed and molested a child who was also a family member, imagine the sort of person that could betray someone's trust like that to those ends.
It's in the article posted in the opCan you show me where in the OP it says he literally molested a minor? Cause I can't find it.
I'm fine if folks want to hold sex offenders to a different standard, but please just own it instead of making shit up to justify it.
But a March 2009 arrest warrant affidavit — which identifies the 14-year-old only as "Jane Doe" — alleges that physical contact included "kissing, touching Doe's breast over her clothing, rubbing her legs and stroking her neck" on several occasions.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Black is a pedophile to.
You just don't stay friends with someone knowing they want to have sex with children.
Part of me wants to sympathize with Black because it's admirable to want to help a friend who has paid with 'time served' for doing something deplorable when the world has passed judgment.One of the worst aspect of this is how Black and the rest of the cast have seemingly left Munn out in the cold. Black in particular seems to be actually angry at her. I don't know about recent activity but I watched an interview with her where she said that he hasn't even spoken to her since this all went down and just made the Twitter apology.
And it wasn't just once, for the record. Black successfully gave him roles in Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys before this, and attempted to produce another, sweeping it under the rug each time like nobody else deserved to know they were working alongside a convicted pedophileI'm not going to stick my neck out for you to find you work....
Pissing in public can get you on the registered sex offender list in many places. And do you have any links showing that he actually assaulted the 14 year old? I've only found stuff talking about attempts to lure them into a relationship, not actually following through with it.
Which goes back to my original point: is ANY AMOUNT of jail time enough to satisfy the public? Is allowing them freedom after penance just a cruel extended sentence when no one will hire them anyway? What's the solution and how do you determine the severity of the crime and the punishment? These people are sick and were likely molested too. Should that be factored in? Does the legal repercussion to the crime need to change?
I mean, I get it. In a town without ethics (because Hollywood IS a cesspool), having a code and sticking by someone is an act of Herculean fortitde. That said, one has to question such devotion to this particular trial.And it wasn't just once, for the record. Black successfully gave him roles in Iron Man 3 and The Nice Guys before this, and attempted to produce another, sweeping it under the rug each time like nobody else deserved to know they were working alongside a convicted pedophile
I'm really hard line when it comes to pedos. I don't really care about their well being at all tbh. I'm sorry if past experiences made them pedos it means nothing to me. Abusing a child ruins multiple lives forever it's despicable beyond anything else. There is a reason even in prison pedos are beyond the pale. I'm not sure how one is to be handled legally(I am very harsh in this regard) but at the very least I want to be told when they are near me and I sure as hell want to be told if they are working with me.
Revulsion at a pedo is not a kneejerk reaction because no amount of context can ever explain it away or soften it's impact.
I'm really hard line when it comes to pedos. I don't really care about their well being at all tbh. I'm sorry if past experiences made them pedos it means nothing to me. Abusing a child ruins multiple lives forever it's despicable beyond anything else. There is a reason even in prison pedos are beyond the pale. I'm not sure how one is to be handled legally(I am very harsh in this regard) but at the very least I want to be told when they are near me and I sure as hell want to be told if they are working with me.
Revulsion at a pedo is not a kneejerk reaction because no amount of context can ever explain it away or soften it's impact.
The dude that always has a kid in his movies in a central role around festive times be a paedophile? Nooo wayyy
This person didn't piss in public. Man can we not create hypotheticals that don't exist in this case?
Holy shit at that reach. Is Chris Columbus a pedophile too then ? For fuck's sake.